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PopePious:
Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered. Psalms 32:1
eadon-com:
who forgives PopePious? Buddha?
PopePious:
Jesus forgives, if we confess our sins.
Massacre9:
PopePious has half the people censored in
this channel.
eadon-com:
He sounds like a christian to me, they only
hear what they wish to hear
Richner:
There are likely billions who've never heard
of Jesus.
Spearfish:
OH PLEASE EADON, LET THEM HAVE THEIR FAIRY
TALE!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
eadon-com:
hmmmmm... No! :)
Massacre9:
PopePious is an overly sensitive christian,
and, like most christians, is afraid of the
HEAT>
eadon-com:
they should be, they are trying to escape
an eternity of some pr
etty nasty heat
Spearfish:
DON'T YOU REALIZE THE IMMACULATE VIRGIN OF
GUADALUPE CARRIED THE SEED OF GAWD WITH OUR
SAVIORS ANNOINTED MEAT-YAK IN IT'S TRANSMOGRIFICATION
WITH THE HOLY TABERKNUCKLE?????? DON'T YOU
DON'T YOU DON'T YOU?????????????????????????????????????????????
Spearfish:
IT'S TRUE IT'S TRUE IT'S TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Spearfish:
HOW CAN YOU IGNORE ALL THE EVIDENCE????????????????????????????????????????????????????
SpiritHunter:
A religious
person follows the rules of their church;
a spiritual person follows the dictates of
their soul.
eadon-com:
and a logical person will follow neither soul
(doesn't exist) or rules of a church
Richner:
Pastor Spearfish? If I go kill a bunch of
people, will Jesus forgive me?
Massacre9:
Sure will Richner. As long as you accept JEEBRUS
into your heart before you die, its all good.
Richner:
Cool. Free license to murder, rape, etcetera!
No wonder this crap, I mean religion, is so
popular.
Massacre9:
As a matter of fact that is my exact plan!
Live a life of crime and then, on my death
bed I will accept da lard jeebrus into my
heart.
sigrabmd:
if a christian commits suicide Massacre9,
will he go to heaven? considering his last
act was "evil". Never had the chance to repent
Massacre9:
Tuff question there sigrabmd.
Richner:
Nope, sorry. Jesus doesn't like depressed
people.
Spearfish:
SHUCKS I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU GUYS WHO WON'T
BE SUCKLEING AT THE HOLY MILK-BOSOM OF JESUS
FOR ALL ETERNITY IN HEAVEN!!!!!!!
Massacre9:
I think he will go to heaven, yes. A lifetime
of sucking up to a 2000 year old book should
not go to the curb because of one indiscretion.
Richner:
If he truly believed ................. he
wouldn't kill himself. Every good Christian
knows that. sheesh
sigrabmd:
and speaking of eternal suffering in hell,
does "God" take into consideration a sinners
threshold of pain when he send him to hell?
Spearfish:
DON'T TURN DOWN THE HOLY NIPPLE OF THE MILK-TEAT
OF SALVATION WHEN IT IS OFFERED YOU....YOU
HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!
Massacre9:
holy milk bosom? :)
Richner:
God takes everything into consideration.
Richner:
Except good taste. ;oP
sigrabmd:
if the sinner passes out, then its not eternal
suffering anymore, right?
Spearfish:
GAWD GAVE YOU FREE WILL SO YOU COULD ACT LIKE
A MORONIC CHRISTIAN AND MAKE THE CHOICES BETWEEN
MORONIC ICON WORSHIP FOR ALL TIME OR BE THE
ENTREE AT DE' LAWD'S BARBECUE PICNIC!
sigrabmd:
I can only take so much heat.
Richner:
He'll wake up again. Like, your spirit is
removed from your body, or something.
Spearfish:
LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.......YOU SHOULD BELIEVE
JUST IN CASE I'M RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spearfish:
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spearfish:
EXCEPT YOUR SKIN IN GAWD'S BARBECUE IF I'M
RIGHT!!!!!
catdoc:
Believing in something just in case you get
tortured if you get it wrong is such a repulsively
ridiculous idea that anyone who could state
it as a naive "Hey - here's a good idea" type
of proposition is morally defective.
[DrChess quoted by Spearfish]
DrChess:
tell him that at judgment day .... while you
quake in your boots
DrChess:
your heart is blackened muck
DrChess:
we are trying to prevent what will be for
you - the unspeakable horrors of everlasting,
unquenchable fire
SpiritHunter:
Religions
require you deny your inner truths so when
you do break free you still maintain this
attitude. In this way, religions produce atheists.
dlh:
"-and the day will come when the mystical
generation of Jesus , by the supreme being
as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will
be classed with the fable of the generation
of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." ----Thomas
Jefferson in a letter to John Adams.
Spearfish:
"What does god mean to me? Not a damned thing!
Religion is all bunk." Thomas Edison
Spearfish:
people clinging to religion are a really pathetic
and sorry lot
Richner:
I pity them.
Spearfish:
after giants of history such as Nietzsche,
Freud, Marx, Lenin, Mark Twain, Edison, Einstein
trashed christianity........
Richner:
But I'm probably too generous that way....
Spearfish:
I pity us having to be around them
Massacre9:
It's so easy to hate them for their beliefs
too. But, I think most of them are just brainwashed
and don't really have a clue.
Spearfish:
arrogant trash for the most part
sigrabmd:
that's even more pitiful Massacre9
Spearfish:
the stupid ones..........well....................most
of the lower level slaves are the stupid ones
Richner:
You forgot many others. Madison, Jefferson.
Pretty much all of them. lol
Massacre9:
I can only hope that the experiences they
find in this channel will help to open their
eyes.
sigrabmd:
ill start my own religion and name it "Clueless".
wanna join Massacre9?
Massacre9:
yeah right :)
Spearfish:
it's so funny as they defend their crappy
creed by the blueprint set forth in The True
Believer by Hoffer
Spearfish:
it never ceases to amaze me
Spearfish:
every robotic action and posture is in The
True Believer, the way they turn deaf in the
face of evidence and information ON CUE
sigrabmd:
True Believer? good buy Spearfish?
Spearfish:
absolutely essential reading: in my top 5
books on this subject.: "Losing Faith In Faith"
is a good try by Dan Barker. It's incredible.
Another stupendous read is "Some Mistakes
of Moses" by Robert Ingersoll
Spearfish:
another stupendous read is "Some Mistakes
of Moses" by Robert Ingersoll. It surgically
dissects the bible in the most diplomatic
language imaginable
SpiritHunter:
When I
saw a ghost, I didn't believe it--I knew they
didn't exist. When I learned of others seeing
it, I realized it wasn't a hallucination.
I had to re-evaluate my thinking--a difficult
process. That started my searching.
Isolani:
The bible says "sin has it's season". I say,
so does ignorance.
JGR:
I have Isaac Asimov's guide to the bible.
Pretty good.
Richner:
Please share more about the ghost. I wann
be saved!
JGR:
Dude is looking for attention with this ghost
crap.
JGR:
Note there is never a video camera around
when these "ghosts" appear. It's just like
the faith healers on TV. People get "healed"
of vague stuff like ear wax, a bad eye, a
lump.....If you want to convince me....show
me an arm grow back... it's all nonsense.
SpiritHunter:
Pay attention
to 1. co-incidences that reverberate with
meaning. 2.to dreams that seem vivid, particularly
those without plots where you are the only
participant
sigrabmd:
the worst xtians are those who swear by their
bible but can't answer a goddamn question
about contradictions in that book.
Richner:
A totally subjective account that trashes
it would be cool.
Massacre9:
De progammers are basically anti bible. They
have to be very good at dissecting the inconsistencies
in the bible and be ready for all comebacks.
ItsDaBishop:
most scientists
can't answer a damn question about miracles
either
Richner:
Dreams, coincidences, and miracles?? HALLELUJAH!!
ItsDaBishop:
miracles
don't happen to scientists or their ilk
eadon-com:
A miracle is an event that contradicts physics,
is it not?
Richner:
I had a dream that Spearfish was the bride
of Jesus. Was it true??
Massacre9:
Your average cult member is very tortured.
Physically and mentally.
eadon-com:
strange that such events don't get recorded
on film or video etc
ItsDaBishop:
a miracle
confounds physical possibility
Massacre9:
I consider christianity a cult too.
Spearfish:
A Miracle: "An event described by those to
whom it was told by men who did not see it."
Elbert Hubbard
Isolani:
UFO's are miracles then, eh? The loch ness
monster is a miracle
eadon-com:
yes, but why don't they get recorded in a
way that is incontrovertible?
ItsDaBishop:
why do
you have to SEE it
Isolani:
To be, er, NOT a fool?
Massacre9:
The fact that I don't dissolve in the bathwater
is a miracle! I forget who said that.
eadon-com:
because if you go by somebody's say so then
it is far more likely that they were mistaken
or are lying or were deceived
Ged183:
I believe in miracles, angels too.
Spearfish:
one of FriarFryUp's greatest quotes (amongst
many) was something to the effect that THE
DAY GOD SHOWED FriarFryUp UNQUESTIONABLE EVIDENCE
OF HIS EXISTENCE, WOULD BE THE DAY HE STOPPED
BELIEVING IN GOD.....
Spearfish:
I mean, that kind of stupidity is worth money
eadon-com:
the lack of miracles is the biggest argument
against the credibility of a god. It seems
that only nature decrees what happens, not
a god, for miracles are non-existent
ItsDaBishop:
then the
presence of miracles acclaims GOD?
eadon-com:
yes, the presence of a miracle that is indisputable
would be evidence
Massacre9:
People want to believe in something so badly.
It comes at great cost though.
SpiritHunter:
3.Intuitive
knowledge--your soul is very wise 4.visions--trust
your eyes. Recently someone told me that he
saw a light ascending his staircase that he
would say was a ghost if he knew that were
possible. Trust your eyes more than your beliefs.
ItsDaBishop:
so no god
means no miracles
eadon-com:
never trust what you see or hear :)
Spearfish:
"The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan has
a very nice chapter on all this ghost crap
eadon-com:
No god implies no miracles but that is not
proof. A miracle is simply something that
cannot be explained by physics or chance
Spearfish:
it's just more psycho people having normal
human experiences and getting hysterical about
them
Isolani:
IF miracles were available wholesale we'd
all be spiritualists. Since miracles are not,
I wonder if their reports were intended as
tales, fiction, to convey larger truths?
eadon-com:
the lack of credible miracles is a huge blow
for religion
Spearfish:
it's really incredible that dozens of 1st
century historians not only didn't witness
any of Jesus' "miracles" but fail to mention
that such a person ever lived
Spearfish:
quite a contrast to the claims that he was
amazing "thousands" with his magic
ItsDaBishop:
well ,
who's to say that physics has an end?
Isolani:
It was like Life of Brian back then probably:)
eadon-com:
it is easy to contravene physics ItsDaBishop!
You simply float in the air or walk on water
ItsDaBishop:
not only
easy, but natural
eadon-com:
and yet...................... it never happens
in a way that there is evidence it happened!!!!
a severe dent in the plausibility of religion
I think
ItsDaBishop:
the physical
world is but one facet of a multi-dimensional
existence.
eadon-com:
so I think that the lack of miracles means
that the only proof there could be for a god
does not exist
Richner:
God and Buckaroo Banzai are hanging out in
the 8th dimension together.
SpiritHunter:
I will
tell you how to someone's aura--try it and
report back. You can see your own in a mirror
if you prefer. A white background is preferable
but a light on will do.
Spearfish:
you really have to make a gigantic effort
to suspend logic and common sense enough to
swallow this perfect crap menu, cooked up
by the swine-infested christian kitchens
eadon-com:
an aura is a simple over exposure of parts
of the retina producing an optical illusion
ItsDaBishop:
what's
that theory put forth in Contact? some formula
Isolani:
Find some life on Mars, say, and there'll
be Bible-toters ready with a vague revelational
quotation that agrees ...
Massacre9:
Only spearfish has the hatred I have for christians
in this channel. Most everyone else is luke
warm in their take on it.
Spearfish:
CHRISTIAN MORON: BUT IF THERE IS NO JESUS.....THEN
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?????!!!!!!!!! *SOB*
*HONK* *SNORF*
Richner:
Hatred is a strong word. Can I hate the religion
and not the people?
Isolani:
Christians have been malleable in every situation.
In the 1980's Gorbachev was the anti-christ
- having that blotch on his head "the mark
of the beast is on his head" ha ha
Spearfish:
sure Richner
ItsDaBishop:
snorf........
Massacre9:
I know. It is wrong and yet and have no control
over it, it seems.
Spearfish:
it is only right, natural and proper to hate
christianity and the stupidity it represents.....and
the de-evolution of human progress
Spearfish:
soon this will be the norm, as soon as we
outgrow this last surge of dark=ages idiocy
ItsDaBishop:
well said
satan
eadon-com:
christians are immune from criticism because
they do not seem to have the mental facilities
or the open mind to understand
Isolani:
Right eadon. I mean, would you buy a used
car from a guy who told you outright, after
shaking hands, that he was a Christian? I
sure wouldn't.
eadon-com:
there is something indelibly shifty about
christians, something smarmy about them, which
tends to make my skin crawl
eadon-com:
in England we say that after a christian has
popped round for tea, you count the spoons
:)
JGR:
eadon, there may be some truth to that. I
have found that after explaining something
about evolution to a xtian...such as a confusion
that they have about a mechanism like natural
selection.....a week later they are still
misrepresenting the truth I have explained
to them...design?? stupidity?? who knows?
Richner:
Rationalization, JGR.
Isolani:
agenda
Isolani:
monomania
eadon-com:
I find that too JGR
SpiritHunter:
Stare at
the pineal gland [ 3rd eye] - about an inch
above the eyes on the forehead. After you
have focused for a while, you will observe
with your peripheral vision a glow surrounding
the head. Now shift your focus to that and
you should observe a color appear.
Isolani:
Now think of Gillian Anderson...
SpiritHunter:
Then choose
between your eyes and your beliefs.
Massacre9:
Christians believe in such stupid things for
the whole "after life benefit plan"
eadon-com:
erm SpiritHunter, if you stare at a dot and
then look else where you will still see a
dot - this is not an aura, it is an optical
illusion caused by the imbalance of exposure
to certain parts of the retina
Richner:
Acknowledge your aura, Massacre9. lol
Massacre9:
It's all about them getting themselves saved
AND passing that stupidity on to other unsuspecting
people.
Richner:
It's God eadon, don't you get it?
LadyGodiva:
can you influence the color of your aura???
Isolani:
Massacre9, it IS a very selfish orthodoxy,
IMHO
LadyGodiva:
...'cause mine clashes with my hair :)
eadon-com:
SpiritHunter, your eyes are not perfect instruments
of reality, like a camera, they can be fooled
Massacre9:
But hey! It's all about free love baby!
Richner:
You may have the Satanic aura, LADYGODIVA.
Sorry.
LadyGodiva:
damn
Massacre9:
I forget who said that.
Isolani:
Even when giving, as when churches send people
and money to flood victims, it's with the
notion that they are building up points somehow.
Can you imagine a community of gay people
getting help from a group of Baptists?
LadyGodiva:
but, at least I'm guaranteed a job in the
afterlife :)
Richner:
A ghost just went down the hallway................
Richner:
Oh my........ It's Jesus! He's whispering
something.
Massacre9:
Listen to the wind, It will guide you.
Richner:
He says, "I'm dead and I'm not coming back."
Over and over.
LadyGodiva:
had you been trying to persuade him otherwise,
Richner?
Richner:
Jesus, why must children suffer?
Richner:
Come back here!
Isolani:
Isn't it true that Einstein said, after a
colleague died, that his colleague had not
really been extinguished. That time...
Richner:
Damn, he ran away.
LadyGodiva:
sounds like an impudent ghost... better put
in for a new one :)
Spearfish:
Jesus, why do you care about FriarFryUp's
infected toe healing, and let 40,000 children
starve to death every single day of each year?
Richner:
Yeah, he's a brat.
Spearfish:
I guess the 40,000 dead children are using
their FREE WILL to die
Richner:
40,000, is that right!?
Spearfish:
correct
Isolani:
Rigidity of thought is the anti-Christ. discuss.
Spearfish:
rigidity of thought is creed worship
Spearfish:
robotic recitation of dogma/doctrine ala christianity
Isolani:
Worship is monomania, which is a rigidity
Isolani:
Fluidity is constant.
eadon-com:
I think worship is floppy and flaccid, like
a burst balloon, it is empty of any rigidity
or structure whatsoever
Massacre9:
Religious people remind me of the kid that
doesn't want to hear what you are saying,
puts his fingers in his ears and says " I
can't hear you, I can't hear you" repeatedly.
Isolani:
Adults do that?
Jupiter:
unless the temperature dips below 32.. Isolani..
eadon-com:
to qualify as a believer you need to have
a reality filter over your brain and a fairytale
enema up your arse
ItsDaBishop:
you said
a fairy up your arse?
Isolani:
Unreasonable, persistent, uncompromising,
self-congratulating. supercilious, often pugnacious.
That ... ooo, you can say arse here? Cool.
TheVicar:
God came down from his transport in the sky
and blessed the virgin. Thus, we got Jesus
for our Salvation.
PopePious:
If God be for us, who can be against us? Romans
9:31
Isolani:
"Take a little wine for thy stomach's sake."
Paul to Timothy
FaithfulFrigate:
Darwin
is Dead fool, and he is most likely burning
in hell
Spearfish:
FaithfulFrigate is an extremely stupid man
FaithfulFrigate:
man, there
is archaeologist evidence every where but
satan will make these people believe lies
instead of actual stuff found in the middle
east containing to the bible
dlh:
brother FoamingFundy, speak to us in tongues
dude!
FoamingFundy:
the dark-side
of the 666/baphomet/G.A.O.T.U shall all have
their day in the deepest abyss
dlh:
woah, brother FoamingFundy in the spirit
dlh:
baphomet, is that like hail bobbit? Barf vomit
is what I do when I listen to the funda nazi
children
SpiritHunter:
An ideologue
may be religious or atheistic, fixed in his
beliefs, has no curiosity, no need to search
or experiment. Did you try to see your aura
by the technique given earlier? If not, you
may be an ideologue.
FoamingFundy:
jahbulon
shall fall, Jesus is King
JGR:
SpiritHunter. Just because we didn't want
to take part in your quackery means nothing.
Your optical illusions and hallucinations
are all Sa DA KA BAA VA DAA SATTA LOON KONDAYA
BA VAYA
JGR:
WHOA
JGR:
IN THE MIDDLE OF MY SENTENCE THE HOLY GHOST
OVERTOOK ME!
FoamingFundy:
no JGR
your evil ghost
JGR:
har har FoamingFundy. Yes, I admit it, Satan
is in me...yup...that's it...uhu
SpiritHunter:
The Cripps
hate the Blood, Redskin fans hate Cowboy fans,
the Muslims hate the Christians, the Communists
hate the Capitalists--but they are all emotionally
the same.
sigrabmd:
Casper ain't evil
TheologeanX:
What is
G.A.O.T.U. ??
FoamingFundy:
G.A.O.T.U
IS SENT TO ONLY THOSE IN WHOM THE DARK-SIDE
RESIDES, I SPEAK IN A MYSTERY TO THE LOST
THAT THEY MAY BE FOUND, JESUS IS THE G.A.O.T.U.
TO WHOM SHALL BE IN NEED TO KNOW
TheologeanX:
?
Spearfish:
don't hate the christians folks, their stupidity
is something they can't help. But it is fine
to hate christianity. You SHOULD hate christianity
TheologeanX:
What is
the acronym G.A.O.T.U. ??
JGR:
OK, let's see if we can put this together...
JGR:
G is for God? Goblin? A is for almighty?
Massacre9:
What is christianity?
Isolani:
Christianity is never having to say you're
wrong.
TheologeanX:
JGR, these
are plausible, but FoamingFundy can tell us
what he has in mind more clearly, I'm sure.
SpiritHunter:
Both religionists
and atheists oppose prayer experiments because
neither can accept the results.
FoamingFundy:
The Great
IAM which was and is and is to come, shall
remove the knights-templar.
Massacre9:
It is a bogus belief system that says if you
believe in Jesus you will have more love in
your life. In reality, you have more fear.
FoolSlayer:
is this the muslim channel? I really hate
those self centered hypocrite christians.
death to all christians!
eadon-com:
FoamingFundy if you were god would you keep
hell or would you just say, hey why not let
all the dudes into heaven and just segregate
all the trouble makers on a paradise island
where the pretty babes hang out
JGR:
God Almighty Overcomes The Underworld?? Cmon
FoamingFundy...tell us
Massacre9:
Why do christians believe? They are afraid
of hell.
cozio:
nobody knows for sure what happens when you
die
FoolSlayer:
I agree with cozio
TheologeanX:
Knights
templar have been gone for centuries, only
masons left to worship baphomet. What is G.A.O.T.U.?
sigrabmd:
we rot. accept it.
eadon-com:
[simultaneously] erm.. when you die you rot.
Massacre9:
No one knows, yes. But do you believe you
burn eternally if you don't believe in Jesus?
FoamingFundy:
it is not
given to me from on high to revile the G.A.O.T.U.
AS of yet, but to whom I speak, may the force
of Jesus be with you.
cozio:
Your brain houses all thoughts, emotions,
memories etc. When it rots, you rot
TheologeanX:
O.T.U.
= "of the universe" ??
eadon-com:
FoamingFundy, will you enjoy your stay in
heaven knowing that your pals here are in
Beelzebub's frying pan of death?
eadon-com:
.. erm I mean, won't that be a little, well,
you know, unsettling? Might put a bit of a
damper on the feel good factor in heaven eh
what, you know, listening to the faint echoes
of the screams....
FoolSlayer:
what is G.A.O.T.U.?
FoamingFundy:
you can
turn from your wicked ways now, and not go
Massacre9:
The christian belief in Jesus is all about
fear. Take hell out of the bible and who reads
it? The bible is about hell. To christians.
JGR:
Ok FoamingFundy. I have turned from my wicked
ways now tell us what G.A.O.T.U is.
FoolSlayer:
my philosophy is to leave people alone...
Massacre9:
my philosophy is to try to steer people away
from a cliff when you know it's there.
FoolSlayer:
if they wanna jump ill let em'
dlh:
you iz immortalized FoamingFundy
sigrabmd:
xtians don't leave people alone. they try
to convert you.
Massacre9:
What if you had to share the same environment
with those same crazy people you didn't try
to help?
dlh:
[quotes FoamingFundy] FoamingFundy: G.A.O.T.U
IS SENT TO ONLY THOSE IN WHOM THE DARK-SIDE
RESIDES, I SPEAK IN A MYSTERY TO THE LOST
THAT THEY MAY BE FOUND, JESUS IS THE G.A.O.T.U.
TO WHOM SHALL BE IN NEED TO KNOW
eadon-com:
G.A.O.T.U. = Gosh All Of This utterbollocks
dlh:
lay some more cool abbreviations on us FoamingFundy
FoamingFundy:
I love
all of the rebels of the ICC, but not enough
to reveal the secrets of the G.A.O.T.U. NOR
S.A.O.T.U. but the true one is found in ST.
JOHN 1:1-18 if there is any rest for the weary.
dlh:
what is the s.a.o.t.u.?
eadon-com:
SAOTU = Shite And Offal To U
FoolSlayer:
I would rather lead by example. I like the
teachings of Christ, but is silly to assume
that reciting a few "lines" and reading a
book and praying is the key to eternal life.
that is just silly
TheologeanX:
Reminds
me of a game my son plays on the I-net ...
Acrophobia... compete to make most amusing
phrase from a random acronym (has nothing
to do with fear of heights)
Massacre9:
FoolSlayer:
but is silly to assume that reciting a few
"lines" and reading a book and praying is
the key to eternal life. that is just silly
FoolSlayer:
satan almighty of the universe
FoamingFundy:
666 shall
be replace by the G. 7 of all times
dlh:
the G. 7?
FoolSlayer:
god almighty of the universe. that's my guess
dlh:
sounds like a sports engine, the G. 7
eadon-com:
Sausages almighty of the universe
eadon-com:
I worship the almighty Sausage woe to the
unbelievers
dlh:
Woe to the sausage lovers of the universe!
ItsDaBishop:
sausage,
rack 'em up
eadon-com:
I am converted to the Sausage almighty of
the universe - woe to the bacon eaters
mkg:
a hungry man once asked the Buddha, "Do you
have a quarter for a sandwich?" To which the
Master replied, "I dunno, lemme see the sandwich."
FoamingFundy:
I shall
continue to leave the dark-side in the dark
concerning the matters of the far-east, but
Jesus is the hidden wisdom of God, the greatest
of all mysteries. ! cor. 2:7
FoolSlayer:
how come the history of the bible is not readily
available to the masses?
sigrabmd:
John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time;..."
oh really? then why.... Job 42:5 "I have heard
of thee (Lord) by the hearing of the ear:
but now mine eye seeth thee." so which is
it?
FoamingFundy:
nay you
begin??????
eadon-com:
it is strange, is it not, FoolSlayer, that
those who are best at reasoning, the intellectuals,
are the least likely to be religious. Ironic?
FoolSlayer:
Einstein believed in god. Not all these rules
though
eadon-com:
not the christian god he didn't
FoolSlayer:
exactly
Massacre9:
what century do you live in FoamingFundy?
FoamingFundy:
no man
hath beheld God in His pure light except Jesus
Beelzebulb:
No one has seen the "Father" Are you familiar
with the trinity?
FoolSlayer:
I have come to the point in my life where
I categorically deny all MANMADE religions
and interpretations
FoamingFundy:
alllllllllllll
others have seen only His allowed changed
attributes
FoolSlayer:
I don't trust people for **** :>
WarPriest:
Job may have seen the angel of God....like
the burning bush etc...remember that Moses
could only see the back of God, not his face....a
christian would say that man can see some
manifestations of God, but not his full glory
ItsDaBishop:
which aren't
manmade?
sigrabmd:
manifestations? like what?
FoolSlayer:
hey religious people! why isn't the history
and origins of the bible common knowledge
of "the flock"?
Beelzebulb:
If you read Hebrew you will see that "God"
is translated by several Hebrew Words
FoamingFundy:
what flock?
there are many types of flocks
eadon-com:
it seems to me that the most satisfying sight
is that of a naked woman. So if god was even
more satisfying then he must have a lovely
pair of bangers
JGR:
Jacob seems to imply that he saw god's face
also when he wrestles an angel or god.
dlh:
they should get an angel wrestler on the WWWF,
that would be cool
FoamingFundy:
no Beelzebulb
is just one of many demons that are nobody
in a Christians eyes, I ain't afraid of no
ghost, I've got Jesus the Lord of lords
dlh:
FoamingFundy confused his ole and new testicle
there
FoamingFundy:
AS2K shall
not be revealed, so back off, or be erased
dlh:
AS2k is the language of the 666 FoamingFundy
FoamingFundy:
when shall
the 666/baphomet/As2k/jahbulon/abandon/ be
exposed?
sigrabmd:
Exod. 33:11 "And the LORD spake unto Moses
face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."
sigrabmd:
what does repent mean in the bible WarPriest?
WarPriest:
repent takes on different connotations....in
some it means simply to change the mind, in
others it means to be sorrowful and commit
to a change from sin to good, in others it
means simply a change in course of action
sigrabmd:
Num. 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should
lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent." .........
sigrabmd:
Psalms.42:10 "... for I repent me of the evil
that I have done unto you."
WarPriest:
sigrabmd, another one of your contradictions
which is simply explained by my explanation
WarPriest:
redundantly explained again I might add. hehe
dlh:
okay WarPriest, how about this one--------
Leviticus 11:6- And the hare, because he cheweth
the cud, ---is unclean unto you- Well, you
can go ask a zoologist and they will tell
you hares do not chew their cuds.
Beelzebulb:
There is a classic example of what WarPriest
has said about the use of the word repent
!
WarPriest:
now dlh, there is some important stuff to
deal with in this line
dlh:
I guess so WarPriest. WarPriest bobs and weaves-------
Massacre9:
rope-a-dope
FoamingFundy:
dlh is
but yet tossed to and fro in his mind to the
ever present bios of the unrevealed, from
whence cometh thou? dlh
eadon-com:
FoamingFundy, if a hare has no teeth, as the
bible suggests, then how does it chew carrots?
with it's gums?
Massacre9:
let me say this; if a rabbit has no teeth
then why no glasses?
FoamingFundy:
thou hast
well answered the question dark eadon
eadon-com:
dark eadon! yeah! I must change my handle
[name, ie eadon-com]. Thanks FoamingFundy
:)
TheologeanX:
Supplementary
info from various sources: both Aristotle
and Linnaeus considered rabbits to be cud
chewers.
dlh:
well, they were wrong, just like the bible
was wrong
Aristotle:
I did not
FoamingFundy:
dlh you
and now d for dah? for you have tooooooo many
questions
dlh:
if the argument is: well Aristotle believed
it too, well that is weak as you know, but
I will look at it. Brb. Of course, Aristotle
never claimed to be divine eh?
TheologeanX:
That is
not the argument. It reflects the state what
passed for common knowledge back then.
WarPriest:
the point, dlh, is that the argument may partly
be about definitions....if the definition
of some Greek or Hebrew word some 3000 years
ago is broader than a modern day scientific
definition, then there is no mistake
TheologeanX:
That is
not the argument. It reflects the state of
what passed for common knowledge back then.
dlh:
common knowledge which was mistaken TheologeanX.
Clearly they believed it, but that did not
make it true
WarPriest:
do you understand what I am saying dlh?
dlh:
it is a scientific error, thus inerrancy of
the bible goes down the tubes
TheologeanX:
Mistaken
according to modern definitions.
Spearfish:
it your ultimate goal FoamingFundy to have
sex with the virgin mother in heaven?
dlh:
weak, weak, weak, the argument is well: they
"appear" to chew their cud, LOL so there is
no contradiction, sadly that is not what the
verse says, fundies will go through amazing
hoops to justify their silly tabloid
WarPriest:
dlh you misstate the argument, which is a
good one
dlh:
the verse says hares chew their cud
WarPriest:
no dlh, the verse says some ancient Hebrew
words
dlh:
the fundy makeover of the verse is "hares
appear to chew their cud" LOL
WarPriest:
that is wrong dlh,
WarPriest:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3725.asp
FoamingFundy:
the Bible
is perfect, no contradictions, and no other
book can ever approach comparison.
dlh:
no, it is not wrong WarPriest
WarPriest:
straw-man
dlh:
I just read the site
WarPriest:
you didn't read very well then
dlh:
it makes the very argument I just demolished.
You go back and read it dude. I think as a
lawyer I know how to read things
eadon-com:
dlh don't say that dlh, no one will believe
a word you say henceforth :)
dlh:
well, I read it and it is weak, others can
read it too, and I stand behind what I said
FoamingFundy:
dlh read
this S.A.O.T.U. + G.A.O.T.U. = J.E.S.U.S.
- 7 = 666 - 6 = MAN.
FriarFryUp:
what the heck is that FoamingFundy?
eadon-com:
S.A.O.T.U = Sausage almighty of the Universe
FoamingFundy:
fellow
craftsmen render assistance please?
FriarFryUp:
what are you talking about FoamingFundy?
FoolSlayer:
who did Jesus hang out with? prostitutes
FoolSlayer:
thieves
FoolSlayer:
losers
TheologeanX:
Masons
FriarFryUp:
what of masons?
TheologeanX:
Freemasonry.
Baphomet. Knights Templar
[What follows from here to the end of the
page is the on-going debate on whether hares
chew the cud as the Bible seems to stipulate.]
WarPriest:
because it is obvious is that argument goes
"A. the bible word translated "chew the cud"
means "raise up that which has been eaten",
that modern day scientific classification
regards those that "chew the cud" to regurgitate
semi-digested food for rechewing, but since
the scientific definition is different than
the biblical one means that the two can't
be compared without qualifications B. that
when looking at the biblical definition and
what hares do, which is to eat partially digested
food released by the rectum, could very well
fit under the biblical definition of the word....therefore
no contradiction
dlh:
maybe they had "special" hares back then WarPriest
WarPriest:
dlh, ridicule is not worthy of answer
dlh:
no, there are probably some fundies that will
go to any lengths to show no contradiction
WarPriest it is not ridicule
WarPriest:
rabbits chew partially digested food expelled
by the rectum....the biblical word means "to
take up that which has been eaten...simple
dlh:
the point WarPriest, if you will look at it
closely, is that none of those definitions
correctly apply to hares
WarPriest:
how not
JGR:
WarPriest. There were some 80 translators
working on that bible. Experts in Hebrew languages.
Perhaps you are wrong and they got it right
the first time no?
WarPriest:
JGR, word-for-word translations are by their
very nature ambiguous, also, even Linnaeus's
definition of cud chewers was such that hares
were included
eadon-com:
why would the bible talk about shit-eating
hares???
dlh:
the hare does not regurgitate its food
WarPriest:
when they re-eat the partially digested food,
they are fulfilling the definition
dlh:
they don't re eat partially digested food
WarPriest, that is the point, any more than
if you burp up food you eat that somehow you
re-eat it, LOL
dlh:
Leviticus 11:6- And the hare, because he cheweth
the cud, ---is unclean unto you- Well, you
can go ask a zoologist and they will tell
you hares do not chew their cuds.
WarPriest:
dlh,,,, chewing is part of the digestive system....so
if it has been chewed it has been partially
digested
dlh:
well, that definition would apply to all animals
then would it not WarPriest?
WarPriest:
but if you are really that upset about it,
then I'll let you change "partially digested"
to eaten. Everything still applies
dlh:
then WarPriest we should eat no animals by
that definition
WarPriest:
the biblical definition is "takes up that
which has been eaten" it refers to re-eating
food that has been eaten before....
dlh:
and, for the fifth time, that definition does
not accurately apply to hares WarPriest
WarPriest:
dlh, they eat food, quickly passes through
the digestive system, then eat it again!
JGR:
The only argument I hear is that hares do
something similar to "chewing the cud"....they
don't chew the cud though....period
WarPriest:
ok, JGR, argue against the translation instead
of the more precise definition...fine.
dlh:
hares do not re-eat food that has been eaten
before WarPriest. Your strained definition
fails because it does not apply to hares
WarPriest:
if I eat something, shit it, then eat it again,
then I am eating food that has been eaten
before
TheologeanX:
refection
is the eating of previously eaten and swallowed
food ... hares and rabbits do it
dlh:
hares do not regurgitate their food any more
than cows do
dlh:
actually, cows might
WarPriest:
the cows do, but since the Hebrew word says
nothing about regurgitation, the point is
moot
dlh:
but hares do not, because of their stomach
system. Their stomach system is more like
a humans: hares do not partially regurgitate
their food WarPriest
WarPriest:
I didn't say they did. straw man again
dlh:
if you have a textbook that says otherwise,
then show me.
dlh:
well, I thought that was your definition.
Give me your definition again WarPriest
WarPriest:
definition for the 12th time is "taken up
that which has been eaten"
dlh:
and hares do not take up that which has been
eaten
WarPriest:
argh!!!!!!1
dlh:
for the eleventh time
WarPriest:
they do!
dlh:
how?
WarPriest:
if I eat something, shit it, eat it again,
I have eaten it twice
dlh:
do you take up food which has been
eaten?
WarPriest:
no
dlh:
hares don't either, their digestive system
is just like ours WarPriest
WarPriest:
I don't eat my shit and I don't regurgitate
and then re-eat
FoamingFundy:
do you
have 2-4 stomachs?
JGR:
I happen to own a bible and mine says "chews
the cud"....so now what WarPriest?
WarPriest:
the biblical definition is "takes up that
which has been eaten" it refers to re-eating
food that has been eaten before....
WarPriest:
JGR, you are still obviously arguing against
translation, do that if you want, but there
is no point in arguing when the best definitions
are not used
TheologeanX:
There are
better arguments against inerrancy than the
cud-chewing one. But it gets tricky when statements
of appearance are idiomatically expressed
as statements of reality.
dlh:
give up on inerrancy dudes: copies of books
organized by men, yawn
WarPriest:
and the hares do re-eat stuff. Re-eat
means "eat twice".... if I eat, ****, then
eat the ****, then I have eaten twice...see
the two "eats
JGR:
The best definitions are not used ONLY when
it suits your argument I have noticed....in
all debates on these kind of subjects that
is the common theme....
dlh:
so dogs chew their cud too WarPriest? ...
and cats? ... and fish I guess to eh?
WarPriest:
dlh, there is a difference there
dlh:
explain it to me. WarPriest, have you never
seen a dog eat its own vomit? cats do it too
WarPriest:
rabbits have a process where they chew something,
swallow and quickly pass through the digestive
system and then eat it again....what they
eat again has not been thoroughly digested
dlh:
yep, dogs do that too
FoolSlayer:
gross
FoamingFundy:
this twice,
thing doesn't mean, vomiting, it refers to
animals, who's stomach and digestive track
was designed by God by the re chewing of the
cud.
WarPriest:
and also, rabbits do this constantly, as a
matter of course, not like some cat eating
its vomit sometime
dlh:
well, dogs eat their own sh** too
JGR:
The best definitions are not used ONLY when
it suits your argument I have noticed....in
all debates on these kind of subjects that
is the common theme....
WarPriest:
JGR, don't expect to quote the bible out of
context, use inferior translations on purpose,
etc. and expect to get far
dlh:
so do dogs chew their cud?
FoolSlayer:
shit?
FoamingFundy:
no dogs
don't chew their cud but dogs do eat their
vomit
FoolSlayer:
shit I meant shit.
dlh:
the point is, WarPriest, I hope you are getting
it, your definition is unreasonable. Dogs
eat their own vomit and their own sh**
Carpathian:
oh isn't this conversation lovely
JDoss:
words of sage wisdom....with dlh
dlh:
a little in-fighting with the fundy children
here brother JDoss!
FoolSlayer:
so what does that mean when people call each
other dog?
eadon-com:
where there is shit there are lawyers :)
JGR:
Whenever a contradiction pops up in the good
book they want to play semantic games and
change the rules, definitions, translations...
dlh:
of course JGR, that is the game
JGR:
The King James Version is a good translation
I would say. I have heard from quite a few
xtians that it is the best one..
FoamingFundy:
the Bible
never contradicts itself, so leave it alone,
can you find anything else. the Bible never
needs updating, it changes with the time,
God designed it that way. alllllllllllllllllllllllll
other books must be updated,
FoolSlayer:
spoken like a true politician FoamingFundy.
More and more I think of a religious zealot
as a good politician
WarPriest:
dlh, scholars try to discover the definitions
of the ancients....if you want to quibble
with them , go ahead
dlh:
I am just trying to apply reasonable rules
of interpretation to the verse WarPriest
WarPriest:
dlh, the ancient Hebrews can define their
terms anyway they want...if they define it
in such a way that the atheists who run supposed
"contradiction websites" aren't pleased with
then so be it,
dlh:
no WarPriest, you beg the question, that is
precisely what we are arguing
WarPriest:
you can't argue against definitions
dlh:
the verse translates chew their cud, if you
have another translation I will be happy to
look at it
WarPriest:
dlh.....semantic arguments against translations
is not profitable
WarPriest:
I don't need to go get another translation,
if the most precise definition of the word
is already available
dlh:
any Hebrew scholars here? "alah" to cause
the cud to come up. Looks like a mistake to
me WarPriest on that definition
WarPriest:
I don't see it that way
dlh:
definition from Youngs analytical concordance
on the definition of "chew" from Lev. 11:6
dlh:
funny, it does not define it as re-eating
their crap. So where is your Hebrew definition
WarPriest?
WarPriest:
science did not exist with the Hebrews....they
made their definitions on what they saw and
knew... the hare eats, it goes through quickly,
then it comes out to be re-eaten ....the re-eaten
food has been digested to a point similar
to the point that regurgitated food is
dlh:
is is not defined that way in my concordance
WarPriest, and your definition would then
include dogs and cats as we already proved
WarPriest:
see my last statement dlh
dlh:
and I had a hare once, he never ate his crap
that I saw.
eadon-com:
perhaps the hare was a non-believer. Only
a believer would eat their own crap
dlh:
I have seen dogs and cats eat crap
LadyGodiva:
are you folks STILL talking about regurgitation
and offal eating?
dlh:
so is the verse saying camels eat their own
crap too WarPriest?
WarPriest:
dlh, you can see it as a contradiction if
you like...but I see this as an ambiguous
situation and accord the benefit of the doubt
to the author
dlh:
people who don't want to see a contradiction
wont find one WarPriest
WarPriest:
people who want to see one always will, dlh
dlh:
I just call it as I see it WarPriest, trying
to give plain meaning to the verses
WarPriest:
I am calling it as I see it too
dlh:
with reasonable rules of interpretation. Well,
you have failed to prove your expansive definition
WarPriest, as it would include dogs and cats
too
WarPriest:
what you might call reasonable rules of interpretation
might not handle special cases very well,
like that of the hare
dlh:
"When we run over to libraries persuaded of
these principles, what havoc must we make?
Take in hand any volume of divinity or school
of metaphysics and commit it to the flames"-David
Hume
WarPriest:
because though the hare does eat what it expels
through the anus, it is not the fully digested
food of the dog, and in it's appearance might
seem more like cud
dlh:
what is the definition of "fully digested"
WarPriest? Fiber is not fully digested by
any animal
WarPriest:
"fully digested" as in that the food "has
passed through the bowels at a slow rate,
the nutrients, calories etc, almost fully
absorbed leaving almost nothing but waste"
dlh:
what is a slow rate versus a fast rate? Does
food pass through a camel at a fast rate?
WarPriest:
well, dlh it is a comparative word.....since
the hare has two different digestive procedures
taking different times (this being the main
difference), my meaning is evident
dlh:
that is my point WarPriest, it does not have
two digestive systems
WarPriest:
and dlh, the waste produced by the hare in
it's slow digestive phase is analogous to
that produced by other mammals
WarPriest:
I said "procedures"
dlh:
it does not have two separate procedures either
WarPriest:
and I said that the procedures differ mostly
in the time it takes
dlh:
the digestive system of a hare is very similar
to that of a human
WarPriest:
dlh....I did not say "system"!!!
dlh:
and gastroenterologists do medical tests on
the digestive systems of hares and rabbits
because they are similar to mans
WarPriest:
and I made my use of procedure clear, so quit
nitpicking
dlh:
ah, sir, it is you who is straining the definitions
WarPriest:
whatever. I'll let you have the last word
dlh:
well, you can certainly make your closing
argument. I understand what you are saying,
I just think you are mistaken
WarPriest:
my argument is so simple and has been stated
so many times in so many ways, that it isn't
necessary to say more
dlh:
well, the debate was fun WarPriest
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