Talkback: Atheists vs Christians Wars 2

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From:	RealityNow	2001-07-23 23:12:12
Subject:	Reality
Comment:	FoamingFundy this is Monday. You need a reality check.
From:	Jeremy Barger	2001-08-09 07:52:58
Subject:	Wake Up
Comment:	I look at the world, and I see religious leaders claiming that 'God' exists, people on psychic commercials pretending that they are real, sales people acting like they are not being fake, and I sometimes wonder if I am the only person who can see all of the bullshit for what it really is. At least pro wrestlers are now admitting that they are actors following a script. Hey, we have to start somewhere.
From:	Yenay	2001-08-25 23:29:33
Subject:	I am an Atheist and I like it
Comment:	Who has to believe in God? Hell people! This so called God of yours is bribing you! Think about it....'If you believe in me than I will send you to a wonderful place but if not than you will go to a place of horror and misery!' Blah blah blah....I say forget God!
From:	Chris Thomas	2001-11-23 20:18:58
Subject:	Evidence for Christ
Comment:	There is a book called the avodot zorrah, written by the Pharisees of Jesus day admiting that He was a real person and did do miracles, but still denied the fact that He was there Messiah. The book is in a Jewish librart in Israel. If you go to your local synoagouge, they will tell you of its whereabouts.
From:	NEEN	2001-12-19 21:33:15
Subject:	GOD IS TRUTH
Comment:	we all have a spirit and a soul and believe it or not, this is part of the spiritual world. When we die, our spirits will become alive...our spirits are little parts of GOD...Jesus, God's son is the greatest teacher. Everything that he teaches prepares us to become holy or good spirirts in the eyes of God...we all have to be prepared for heaven. In this dying world or 'hell'...we will all parish and all we'll have is our souls and it is our decision if we have evil (devilish) or good (Godly) souls. To have a pure soul is what God wants. People are just too sinful and indulged in temptation to want to commit to God and his values. They are more for satanic activities than pure activities. He is our father and created us all. This is true. Without faith, you will parish in this dying, troublesome world. He is my hope and inspiration. I look at Jesus who was condemd and never scolded anyone. He was tempeted in the desert and never gave in. He is my advisor and my saviour! And best friend. Amen. :) WWJD!!!!!!!!!!!
From:	Bubba	2002-01-16 06:52:52
Subject:	OK TELL ME THIS
Comment:	I have a question for those of you who believe religion is a bad thing: If you got rid of religion, what would you replace it with?
From:	Ticcer	2002-01-23 14:10:27
Subject:	Contradiction & Replacing Religion...
Comment:	Let me go out on a limb for a bit and posit that God does actually exist. Generally speaking, all religions subscribe to a set of rules as layed out in a sort of manuscript, be it the bible, the Koran or whatever. These days any 'legitimate' (used with caution) Religion has one God. (Digression -> With the exception of Catholicism which has three candidates, God, The son of God and the Holy Spirit. In the middle ages, A Pope was asked how many 'Gods' are catholics praying to? First they were convinced it was 3 then he changed his mind and said all three were the same entity. Today there are a load of Catholics who would give contradictory answers) The mere IDEA of 'God' says there is only one 'God'. Thus, with so many religions praying to their own 'God', which one has the right one? Here lies' the biggest contradiction of all...the mere fact that we have more than one religion in our world, each one with it's own omnipotent being. To argue they are all correct is to create a paradox. What happens when religion is pitted against religion? Historically, many people die agonising deaths as each side 'Fights' each other for the right to call their God supreme. Here lies another contradiction; If I remember my religious education correctly, Religion was supposed to be about love (esp. of fellow man) not war. Now lets grab the biggest imaginary ruler you can find in your head. Zero, is the beginning of human civilisation and at the other end we have the year 2002....
From:	Ticcer	2002-01-23 14:11:04
Subject:	Contradiction & Replacing Religion...
Comment:	..........Lets look at history on this big ruler from afar so we can see the whole thing in one catch of the eye. Now 'Overlay' what is known about our knowledge progression throughout the eons. You will notice that the time between significant advances in our understanding of our world has got shorter and shorter as we get closer to the present day. There are exceptions to this rule (no pun intended) These exceptions lay in the areas of history where religion has held the balance of power, eg; Just before the Dark Ages we had the Burning of all the books that contradicted a religious doctrine(not to mention burned people) Hence; this IS why we had 800 years of the dark ages (or Human Knowledge Retardation, as I like to call it) which officially finised at the end of the 16th century. It is called the dark ages because they were 800 years of which we know next to nothing about due to the tight grip Religion had at the time.........
From:	Ticcer	2002-01-23 14:12:08
Subject:	Contradiction & Replacing Religion...
Comment:	..............Jostein Gaarders' book, 'Sophie's World' puts philosophy as the antithesis of religion, he writes...'By philosophy we mean the completely new way of thinking that evolved in greece about 600 years before the birth of Christ. Until that time people had found answers to all their questions in various religions. These religious explanations were handed down from generation to generation in the form of myths. A myth is a story about the gods which sets to explain why life is as it is.' Getting back to the ruler we see duration between ignorance and discovery is much greater before the invention of philosophy than after. It is acknowledged that philosophy gave rise to the sciences we have today. It is interesting to observe that 'historically' when science and religion are on (relatively) equal terms, science continues to push back and disprove the myths held by religion. Science has never (and I posit, never will) indoctrinate or try and smother Religion with its' beliefs as it would be against the essence of it as science seeks to let facts speak for itself. Religion on the other hand, has done just that to science/philosophy more than once......
From:	Ticcer	2002-01-23 14:12:58
Subject:	Contradiction & Replacing Religion...
Comment:	.......In fact Religion has held almost total power for well over half of our Julian calendar history (45 BC - 1582 AD); I wonder how much more advanced we would be and how large a role Religion would play in our current lives if Religion had not committed these great crimes against the human knowledge bank (humanity?) This is another contradiction about Religion; If Religion is so 'Right' why has it 'historically' sought to destroy, by force, all those that oppose it? Likewise, why have the ecclesiastic 'historically' sought to give other humans the dubious choice of 'believe or die'? Science has gained more in its'short time of power than both Religion and Mysticism put together. I posit that Religion is nothing more than mammouth game of Chinese whispers gone terribly wrong supported only by lose metaphores, dodgey story telling, great arrogance (Arrogance is Ego + Ignorance) and the inherant need of humans to answer questions posed by their environment. So what if Religion was given the 'chop' from tomorrow? What would we replace it with? I think the answer to that is right infront of our noses...US, The HUMAN Race, Our World Our Planet and everything in it. Get back in harmony with planet Earth and tune back in to what nature has given us. I certainly don't need a 'God' to do that
From:	Myra	2002-03-02 11:42:24
Subject:	Contradiction and replacing religion
Comment:	To be perfectly frank, I think the whole religion thing is a bunch of rubbish. Half of the wars in this world have been caused by religion. I hate it when people go on about 'blasphemy' and 'sin'. It's so hypocritical! The bible says outrageous things in my opinion anyway- it doesn't allow anyone to live by their own free will. And I'm sick to death of religious nuts coming round and knocking on my door telling me about a 'perfect world'. There's no such thing. The world would be so much better if there was no religion, and Amen to that!
From:	Blake Lo	2002-03-10 23:47:36
Subject:	LOL
Comment:	yes there was evidence that Jesus existed. also an unsolved mystery cause over 500 people saw Jesus(different nations) after his death. and yes the bible is right about earth is about 6,000 yrs old. This was written by different men who God laid on their heart on what 2 write(or told them in dreams) . Evolutionist and Atheists say they have proof the the earth is over 5,000 million years old. They say they can tell how old the earth is but they cant tell when a plane goes way off cuarse and heads strait for the largest buildings in the world. So frankly, I doubt they can tell how old the earth is
From:	Blake Lo	2002-03-10 23:53:42
Subject:	JESUS
Comment:	ok so the civil war, the revolution war, WW1 and WW2 were all based on religion? First, WW2 doesnt count cause Hitler was rascist against Jews. (race) and anyway half of the people who cause wars think they r doing it for God when They r doing everything wrong. Even Muslims r peacful people. Bin Laden doesnt terrorism when the muslim religian is about peace. Hitler thought he was Christian and Christians r about peace. Religian does not cause war. People like Bin Laden and Hitler r doing the opposite of Religian. perhaps they worship the Anti Christ and dont relize it. They have allready done many things that the Anti Christ would do. Kill, death, ect
From:	Blake Lo	2002-03-10 23:56:52
Subject:	GOD
Comment:	God isnt bribing us. He wants 2 give us a chance 2 not burn like half of the people here r. That may be against my morals saying that but u people r so ignorant. If U dont beleive in religian then fine but dont try 2 get others against it or say mean things about it. U arent nice or good people. There r many nice non christians but u arent. U mock peoples beleifs
From:	Rowan	2002-04-24 19:04:38
Subject:	The bible is not evidence.
Comment:	How can christians expect to be taken seriously,especially on an academic level,when they rattle off stuff about the bible while knowing absolutely NOTHING about what they are saying?For the information of the gullible ,misinformed and woefully undereducated,here are some archaeologically proven facts:The gospels were written AT LEAST 40-50 years AFTER the supposed death of jesus by authors whose identity cannot be completely verified and none of whom were firsthand witness.Hearsay and folklore does not stand up in court,yet religious truth is based on it.Some parts of the gospels are contradictory and full of plagarised pagan myth.(Read my earlier comment on origins of Christ myth)Also,the early gospels were translated from latin to greek,the vulgate and english.Ever heard of chinese whispers?You christians are told what to believe and you believe it without questioning any of it.Does that sound rational or intelligent?You should not talk about a subject unless you know your stuff.As a non-believer,I have probably read and researched the bible and contemporary texts more than the average christian.I have OBJECTIVELY wieghed up the evidence and at least believe myself to be informed about what I speak.Regurgitating what you have learned in your sanatized bible classes really doesn't cut it intellectually,so until you know what you are talking about you should keep quiet.
From:	brian	2002-07-19 21:33:08
Subject:	Dear People
Comment:	Why all the confusion of wether there is a god or not? I don't really care. The church, catholic and protestant (main stream here in the USA) all agree that religion changes with the times. (read with how man wishes to reinvent god) (quoted by a catholic priest on miracles) I believe that all religions see an aspect of god. It is kind of like walking into a hall of mirrors. they all show the person but none of them showthe person as they are. No mirror really can, all have distortions regardless of how minute. I think that all religions show an aspect of GOD. Which is the correct one? NONE and ALL. It is up to me to find GOD in my own way, as it is with you. Do not believe anything without proof. GOD created the universe, GOD created science, Gods works must be able to withstand scientific proof. Miracles therefore must be scientific rules not understood yet. This only shows us what we must still learn and that we shouldn't dismiss anything out of hand but put it to proof.
From:	the atheist	2002-07-30 17:11:01
Subject:	thisll make u think twice
Comment:	a good quote; rev. 22:16 I jesus have sent mine angel to testify you these things in the churches. i am the root and offspring of david and the bright and morning star. now he mustve been a little confused to have called himself teh morning star....another name for satan...hmmmm jesus said he was satan. also if you still worship jesus you are sinning because you are worshipping someone who claims to be the devil. congrats. your going to hell
From:	syntagma256	2002-08-28 14:33:05
Subject:	contradiction&FF
Comment:	OK FF, then how do you explain the two verse quotes from DOB? Add to this the notion of implied generational guilt with Gen 9:24-27;Num 14:18;Ex 34:7. Contrast this with Ezek 20:5;Duet 24:16. Any Literalist is, if they are honest with themselves, have problems here.The doctrine of original sin in the fall of Adam as related in Gensis 3,and its implied generational guilt, leaves the Fundamentalist with an irresolvable delima in Ezek 20:5 and Duet 24:16. When Literalists chose to read the Bible in this manner,they are always at risk of running afoul of both historical and literary anachronisms, without the means necessary to resolve the contradictions within its text.
From:	syntagma256	2002-08-29 00:46:19
Subject:	Contradiction&FF-correction
Comment:	Ezek 20:5 should be changed to Ezek 18:20.
From:	Donnie Morris	2002-10-04 16:51:17
Subject:	The existance of God
Comment:	I'm going to cut this real short. Have you ever had any feelings of praise or guilt if so have you ever tried to change alter or eradicate those feeling and were you ever unsucsesful in your attemps? okay so we know that there is a law within you for there to be a law there must be a law giver your not that law giver if you were you could have changed it at will it had to be GOD.
From:	angel of death	2002-10-07 18:46:10
Subject:	rap
Comment:	i love you
From:	angel of death	2002-10-07 18:49:51
Subject:	the angel of death is so tight
Comment:	yo my bitches mes a pimp
From:	Josh	2002-10-30 17:06:39
Subject:	'g0d'
Comment:	Why should i believe in god? should i believe in him soley because if i dont i will burn in eternal 'hellfire' and 'brimstone'? or should i believe in him so i'll go to church and throw a 20 in the collection plate? or is it so i'll read a little black book and take it to heart and believe that there are 6 headed dragons and serpents with crowns upon their heads? is this what your god is? a fairy tale? nothing more... You read your bibles and then you read you child fairy tales about dragons and goblins...it's ironic that you believe the fairy tales you read in your bible, but the ones you read your children which consist of mainly the same material you think of as just a tale to entertain children. You're mindless and brainwashed. And if there is a god...Who made him? And im not a satanist...but i think 'satan' has more morals and brains than 'god' think about it...'satan' challenges 'god' for his throne in 'heaven' and 'god' banishes 'satan' to 'hell'...Sounds like 'god' was scared and a bit like hitler. Go against what i say and you shall burn and die...Worship your 'god' all you want...but it's merely a sugarcoating of death..When you die you'll know that death is the end there is nothing more and nothing less. - Josh
From:	CB	2003-01-03 22:22:22
Subject:	Enough !
Comment:	Enough already! Why do people constantly have to bash Christianity? I have never bashed an atheist or an agnostic, or a hindu.It's always the same rant, over and over and over again!Do people really hate Christianity that much? Did I really offend atheists/antichrists about maybe enlightning some- one's life? And no, I don't curse people because they are a different denomination.I just give them some helpful ad-vice to change, or at least attempt to. Also, Catholism is not ' God's religion '. Catholism is a ' Roman offshoot ' of Christianity. Constantine, the founder of Catholism, paganized Christianity with his own pagan be- liefs. And when referring to the Bible as just a book of fairy tales, no. Just because it refers to six-headed dragons with crowns on their heads, doesn't mean it is literal. Did any- one ever consider that maybe it was symbolic? The bible al- ways refers to people and future events in symbolism.
From:	Joe	2003-02-05 22:05:52
Subject:	God's existance
Comment:	I have read various opinions regarding God's existance. I would like to leave a question for contemplation. If God does not exist (an answer which every person is entitled to come to their own conclusion) Then why do you exist? Every creation needs a creator. For example a beatiful piece of artwork hanging in a museum did not just appear on the wall. It would not be able to hang on the wall unless an artist created the painting through his/her paints. Therefore, I challenge anybody to thing of any material substance that exists without a creator creating that material, this contempletation would include the creation of you & I. If we are true to nobody but ourselves we have no other choice to belief that a creator exits greater than us. That creator is God!
From:	Jeremy Barger	2003-02-09 12:37:39
Subject:	Idiots
Comment:	I see a pile of turds on the ground. I didn't do it, so it must have been a pink unicorn who did it. I like to give people gifts, so there must be a real person called Santa Claus. That is what you morons sound like. The existence of beautiful or complex things in not good evidence for a god. Grow a brain and THEN try to have intellectual conversations.
From:	R Monroe	2003-03-11 16:57:05
Subject:	Creation and Evolution both true
Comment:	Ok here goes If you take the consept that a Minute to God is a Million Years to Man. According to Science the Universe is aprox 10 billion Years old. That would be 8640000000 years of our time for 6 days of gods time. A long time right? Ok the bible says God created the universe with everything in 6 days. You say the dinosaurs went on noahs ark I say you are wrong. Who said God could not experiment or excuse the pun Play God During some of that time. Who said that man was created first in Gods image Hence The first ape to walk upright, the neanderthol, then cromagnum Man which is the ancestor to modern man. God could have blinked and Made modern Man but he didnt, he tried a few things first. That was to give man some basics for living. When he created Adam, Adam inherited all the basic knowledge of the past man like creatures. God also gave him a language and a Mate. This is the time before falling from grace so anything after that is just a few thousand years of knowing God. Even during that time there have been Thousands of years of God not existing for all people. Ok back to the Statement A million years to us is a Minute to god, then did it take him 6 of our days or 6 of his days to Create the Universe. That would be time enough for evolution to occur. Think about it.
From:	undecided	2003-05-17 16:14:33
Subject:	created needs a creator?
Comment:	OK, so if something that was created needs a creator, then who created God? Since he is supposedly 'there', then how did he become? I am not siding with anyone on this issue, but I agree more with the logical explanations than on the 'faith' that a God exists. If he does exist, then someone or something must have created him. Otherwise, prove me wrong.
From:	Atheist	2003-05-19 20:37:12
Subject:	Silly beliefs
Comment:	Atheists=right Christians=wronge God and all religions are man made, I hope I didn't suprise you Christians. Everything, I mean everything a christian believes in can not be proved. I am serious. They have absolutely NOTHING. A Christian's only defense is now,'You can't DISPROVE me.' This is totally bogus as a statement for Christians can not disprove there are elephants in planet X millions of miles away but that does not make it true, does it? All I ask for is a Christian to prove himself that what he believes in is real, and none can. All they do is go on the defense from an atheist's question and say things like ,'God works in mysterious ways' or 'God can do anything, even illogical things.' How dumb is that? Religion was all useful back then when it was used to push out Indians and control people into obeying the law BUT nowadays people are smarter and more civilized enough to not need religion. Yes folks, Chrisianity is a brainwashing method used. Your ten commandments are BS. They are practically what human laws already have, the difference in human laws is that prison is not as bad as enternity in Hell by the God who 'created' all. So keep on believing your fairy tales caz death is still death, the information on how life came to be is STILL a mystery, and there is no such God who only favors humans over all living things. A site of mine that you can debate with me if you can if you STILL are Christian. http://www.geocities.com/mikekk67/ATHEISTS.html P.S.---Good site.
From:	kim	2003-05-27 01:16:47
Subject:	help
Comment:	well i am doing a debate at school on religion doesnt cause war and i thought this shit would help but it doesnt so any of u people out there want to help me then write something decent
From:	net	2003-05-29 09:29:30
Subject:	a quote
Comment:	'The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.' One of the strongest arguments in favour of Christianity is the failure of Christians, who thereby prove what the Bible teaches about the Fall and original sin. (G.K. Chesterton)
From:	soldier4him	2003-06-14 03:15:39
Subject:	the truth
Comment:	O.K. Guys, You think you have it all figured out Don't you.. Believe what you like, but you are forgetting that the truth comes when you receive the spirit. (Acts 2:38) Say what you will, but those among us that have recieved it KNOW the truth and have seen and felt the Holy Power. It is not received with the five senses, but on a spiritual level. You must seek it with Humility. All of that studying you do to prove it wrong, and yet any child could see it.PITY! Just remember, with all of that intelligence that you think you have. YOU WILL BOW BEFORE HIM AND PROCLAIM HIM LORD... I pray you will see the real TRUTH my friends.
From:	mikekk67	2003-06-25 17:50:26
Subject:	Atheists are Right
Comment:	Stop with the Christian after-life threats! they are just getting old and repetitive. Yeah, just wait until I'm already DEAD to prove your point. How typical. And that feeling you get is nothing more than your own self fooling yoruself into thinking your feeling great spiritual things. JOHN EDWARDS from Crossing Over DOES THAT ALL THE TIME to suckers like you. And so does Benny Hinn!!!! Grow up and realize your parents brainwashed you and you shouldn't believe in the kid stories anymore. You don't need the Boogie man to scare you into being good nor do you need Hell to scare you anymore to follow the rules. Caz when you keep saying how you believe in spirits, gods, fairy tales, and what-not, it looks stupid in terms of logical common sense. http://www.geocities.com/mikekk67/ATHEISTS.html
From:	jena	2003-10-20 18:54:32
Subject:	atheism vs. christiany
Comment:	you guys. no one is ever REALLY gonna know if there is a god or not. so why doesnt everyone just stick with being honest and loving. that should be part of everone if there is a God or not.
From:	soulblighter	2003-10-29 02:45:56
Subject:	god
Comment:	you lot are sad just because you need a reason to live now tell me this if your god created this whocreated him
From:	MARS Attacks!	2003-12-28 17:27:12
Subject:	ATHEIST HANDBOOK
Comment:	how can one believe the bible after reading the proof against such a flawed book of god? such sites as: www.geocities.com/atheisthandbook www.jesusneverexisted.com www.talkorigins.org
From:	Savannah	2004-05-03 21:28:51
Subject:	Believe in Jesus
Comment:	I cannot make others believe in Jesus Christ,but I sure wish that they did for their sake. I believe in Jesus because of very impessive things he has done in my life and still does. I know that satan blinds people,and that in the last days people would turn away from the truth,and instead believe in fables and fairy tales made up by man. Prophecy is being fulfilled faster than ever today,and the one world religion is already forming now. Apostasy is here to stay for a good long while,and people who love to do anything they please without having any rules or laws just hate to admit that that is the main reason they won't or can't accept God. This is not judging them,The bible is right,and I agree with God's word. I hope that more people will become christians before things get much worse. I am a bible literalist and young earth creationist and why should that offend anyone?
From:	an atheist who has taken bullshi	2004-06-16 22:22:57
Subject:	okay
Comment:	please do not make me laugh! i have been kicked and hurt and almost murdered by alot of 'christians' doing it for their 'god'. im only 13! why do most of you guys refuse to listen to science! oh yes we know for a fact that the wold is millions of years old! not 4000! it is disgusting! i have four people in my school who tried to use creation sites for their science projects; needless to say, they all got f's. when i tried to present my evolution project a cristian kid threw a chiar at me! it broke my arm. the kid was expelled, and im still in a cast! the kids pareents kicked up a huge row and tried to EXPELL ME! it went nowhere. people regularly come up to me and say im going to hell.
From:	MARS Attacks!	2004-06-18 07:34:58
Subject:	SHOW ME THIS SO CALLED GOD
Comment:	Show me PROOF God exists or just shut your pie holes. (Silence fills the room). Just what I thought you bible thumping morons.
From:	Bilbo Baggins	2004-08-20 08:09:04
Subject:	Historical Jesus
Comment:	'Professor Shlomo Pines found a different version of Josephus testimony in an Arabic version of the tenth century. It has obviously not been interpolated in the same way as the Christian version circulating in the West:' 'At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus, and his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon their loyalty to him. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive. Accordingly they believed that he was the Messiah, concerning whom the Prophets have recounted wonders.' This is interesting stuff too. Einstein himself said 'I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.' Einstein also said 'God does not play dice with the world.' However he did not believe in a personal God whom all ethics came from. All of these qoutes are of Einstein: 'God is subtle, but he is not malicious.' 'Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind' (Pais 1982, p. 319). 'One has been endowed with just enough intelligence to be able to see clearly how utterly inadequate that intelligence is when confronted with what exists. If such humility could be conveyed to everybody, the world of human activities would be more appealing.'
From:	Bilbo Baggins	2004-08-20 08:28:46
Subject:	Hypocrites
Comment:	It is absolute undeniable fact that many travesties have been done in the name of the Christian God. However if one has ever studied christ's teachings, one would know he was somewhat of a hippie revolutionary before his time. He called the religious authorities of his time 'Hypocrites.' They would stone a man just for working on the sabbath. Jesus said ' The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.' His message was not one of violence and hate or prejudicial conclusions, But one of Love for one another. Sounds kind of like The Beatles ' All you need is Love.' message. Now if the Beatles themselves after saying this went around slaughtering poeple if they didn't jump on the Beatles band wagon, I could definately see hating the Beatles and their followers. But instead you have men like Charles Manson who based a murdering cult off Beatles songs ( which once again I will remind you, consisted of messages of Love, Peace, and Understanding. Kind of like Jesus.) And you have a few poeple who think because of that the Beatles must have been awful. Charles Manson was just a hypocritical, Delusional, psychopathic cult leader, he no more represented the beatles message than the crusaders or those who slaughtered the Native Americans represented Jesus. I can assure you that not all christians are 'moronic bible bashers' who believe that 'unless you say that you believe christ is the messiah! You are going to hell!' I personally don't. And I am a christian. However much I dislike using that term considering what it has come to mean because of the majority of those through out history claiming to be such. And not opening their minds or their hearts to what Jesus said.
From:	Atheistsrock23	2004-08-24 06:09:28
Subject:	The bible is false
Comment:	The bible is NOT based on history and is NOT based on fact. Most of the bible could NEVER EVER happen!! If you are a fundamentalist you are blindly following something that is false. You're a lazy thinker and are afraid to question your own faith in fear that you might discover you're wrong.
From:	Atheistsrock23	2004-08-24 06:38:54
Subject:	fundamentalists REALLY need to wake up
Comment:	Fundamentalists are living in a dream world. They're blind enough to believe in an invisable man living in the sky. I mean come on I'm 12 and I'm smart enough to know that that's impossible! How could adults belive that crap?! I mean think about it. An 'invisable' man controls our lives then if we're 'naughty' we go straight to hell, don't pass go. Think about how dumb that sounds. So, please, Fundamentalists, take your heads out of your asses and wake up!
From:	Atheistsrock23	2004-08-24 06:51:28
Subject:	Virgin Mary
Comment:	If you are a fundamentalist, you believe there was a woman, Mary, who was a virgin. How do you figure that happened?! I hate to burst your bubble, I really do, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to have a baby without having sex! Please do me a favor....sit back close your eyes and think about how absurd your opinions are!
From:	Atheistsrock23	2004-08-24 07:08:01
Subject:	Adam and Eve
Comment:	This is going to be a quick one. Short, sweet and to the point. If Adam and Eve were the first people on the planet and had the job of creating everyone else then we would all be related.
From:	Atheistsrock23	2004-08-24 08:07:27
Subject:	reply to atheist
Comment:	Whoever wrote the comment with the subject silly beliefs- you totally kick ass! I couldn't agree with you more! Rock on and keep telling the Christians what is right!
From:	Atheistsrock23	2004-08-24 22:31:21
Subject:	Noah
Comment:	OK, this time I will try to be more civilized. This will be my atempt to prove that the whole Noah's Arc thing NEVER could have happened. The Noah's Arc story never could have happened because of several different reasons. 1. It would be impossible to make a boat that big and that strong in the time the bible said it took to make it. 2. It would be impossible to travel all around the world to get two of every single living thing in the time the bible said he did it in. 3. With the EXTREMELY limited knowledge about travel back then it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to every single body of land without getting lost.......most likely dying. While I'm typing my comment I might as well explain how Jonah and the whale couldn't have happen either. Don't worry all you Fundamentalists who are about ready to shoot me for my *cough* right *cough* opinions, this won't take very long. Jonah and the whale never could have happened because no human could live in a whale's stomach for days without being digested!
From:	YoungThinker06	2004-09-27 05:49:45
Subject:	God
Comment:	Does he exist? How can you possible fathom a being always and forever being there? How can a place so perfect called Heaven be real only for our souls which cannot be seen? Where and when was the bible put together? How do you believe?
From:	irishroyalty	2004-10-10 10:05:11
Subject:	Hytpcrites and God
Comment:	Now, I have no problem with God, or Jesus for that matter. I thought I did, but then when I went to see The Passion (yes, that was a confession), I realized, whether he was real or not, I had nothing against Jesus. He never did anything to me. It's those damn Christians! They claim to be like him (Christian is literally translated 'little Christ'), but very few actually live up to this name. They have such high standards of belief and they judge others according to these beliefs when they, themselves can't live up to their beliefs. Am I the only one who feels this way?
From:	Cyborg	2004-10-15 00:10:51
Subject:	Big J and other stories
Comment:	I was raised Catholic, and as I have been taught since an early age, God is a great and all powerful being that created the earth roughly 6,000 years ago. He watches everything that we do, and damns us to hell if we don’t follow his model of a perfect human, big J. If we succeed in making him happy, then we get to live for the rest of eternity in the perfect world of heaven…Now that I have had a chance to think for myself, and consider the world and what I believe, I have different views: Yes big J was a real man, he did live 2000 years ago, he was born to Mary in a stable, Mary did claim to be a virgin at his birth, he was crucified on a cross. This is all documented in birth, religious, and governmental records of the day, not post mortem like the bible, so I don’t even try to argue with that. Big J may have been a spectacular man, he may have been a magician, a prophet, a seer, or just lucky, but that about sums it up. The bible is the greatest selling fiction novel in the world. It has had more printings, been translated into more languages, and sold more copies than every other book in the world. The fact that it was written post mortem has no bearing on its being true or not, except it was written by not 1st hand accounts, but 2nd and 3rd, that brings into doubt the validity of it all. People have a tendency to embellish their stories, and their lives to make themselves seem more important, or to give more meaning to their existence. ...
From:	Cyborg	2004-10-15 00:11:47
Subject:	Big J and other stories
Comment:	... Some of the stories also hurt the bible, Noah being the biggest. If the polar ice caps were to melt today, the only way to cause that kind of flooding, you still would not cover the entire earth in water. So animals, other than those on that boat would have survived, including humans. Also, was Noah supposed to really be the ONLY person on earth to have a boat? I know that if its flooding and I don’t see any sign of it stopping, I would hop in my boat with my family, and float it out instead of drowning. If you look into some of the more remote areas of the county/world where it is still common to marry your first cousin, or half sister, then you can easily find a dwindling gene pool after just a few generations. If every one of the 6 million people on the earth today came from the people on that boat, then we would all be soo inbreed that either no one would still be able to survive, or the human race would look like something out of an X-Men comic with all of the mutations. The same goes for all of the animals, but there were only 4 each of them to start over with, so they would be even worse. As for the history of the earth, the bible dates the earth to roughly 6,000 years ago, how does creationism explain the existence of mutation? How about the radio-carbon dating of items to millions of years ago? Or even the existence of fossils in the soil, be they dinosaurs or Neolithic man? Did god really create dead animals in the ground that never existed, just put their bones there, and wait for them to be found. How about extinction, if God created every animal on earth, why would he let several species cease to exist? I know that if I work real hard on something, even for a day, I am going to fight to keep from it being destroyed. ...
From:	Cyborg	2004-10-15 00:12:33
Subject:	Big J and other stories
Comment:	... The Asian side of the world has a recorded history that dates back more than 10,000 years, 4,000 Now let’s get to something a little more realistic. If God does exist, and is such the omnipotent being that he is made out to be in so many religions, why is there famine, war, and such injustice in the world? If God created man, and he wanted man to succeed, then why does he let people die everyday from hunger? Places like Ethiopia where there is such drought that food has not been grown for years? Why does he allow people to kill in his name? As it was said in a post before, people have died fighting for the right to call their god, the one true god. If there is one true god, then why does he not unite the religions, and end the wars that have been waging on for thousands of years. Currently the US is involved in a religious battle of sorts. Europe has been torn part many times in the last 2000 years because one religious leader decided that he was right, and every other religion was wrong. Millions have been told to convert to the religion of the day, or die a horrible agonizing death, and have accepted the later. Some of Gods own chosen creatures have been horribly wronged, in the name of religion. The Christians were used as entertainment for the Romans as lion food because they were Christians. The Jews were massacred in the holocaust because they were Jews. What about the thought that we are the only intelligent beings in the entire universe? That’s just a little conceded isn’t it? It has been found that there are in fact other planets around other stars that probably have the capability of supporting life as we know it, let alone something that we haven’t even considered to be an intelligent life form. ...
From:	Cyborg	2004-10-15 00:12:56
Subject:	Big J and other stories
Comment:	... There are billions of stars, and around those stars there are even more planets, some of them capable of supporting human life, others capable of supporting unknown life forms. Where is that accounted for in modern religion? Science can explain mutation, evolution, disease, famine, war, the universe, the history of the earth and the universe, life, death, and in some radical groups the future. But there have always been points that the science of the day cannot explain. This is where religion steps in. If it can’t be explained, blame it on the God or Gods of your religion. The Greeks didn’t understand why the sun would set and rise on a daily basis, so they created Prometheus. The Egyptians had the same problem, so they created Ra. Greeks didn’t know why some couples could have children, while others couldn’t, so they created Athena, the Egyptians created Hathor. Greeks couldn’t explain why people died so they created Hades, the Egyptians created Anibus. The list goes on and on, if you didn’t understand why something happens or how, then make up a god, and pray to it, maybe then you will get what you want. ...
From:	Cyborg	2004-10-15 00:13:19
Subject:	Big J and other stories
Comment:	... Religion also gives a means of control. When civilization began, people would follow a dominant member of the group, otherwise nothing would happen, and everyone would die. A problem arises when there are more than one alpha’s in a group, who leads? What prevents the new alpha from trying to take over the leadership of the group? Before religion, nothing stood in the way, except the other guy. Religion arose as a way to instill order in a civilization. If the leader of a group has you believe that unjustified killing is wrong, and that if you do it, then your spirit will be damned to eternal torture, it gives a cause for further contemplation before actually killing the leader to take his spot. It gave leaders a way of self preservation. Now if there was a being that constantly watched for this kind of act, and would remember it until the perpetrator died to take action, that would help to instill some fear in people. Consider if he is also watching for other acts that the leader believes are wrong, like stealing, believing in another god, or lying. That just helps those in power to stay in power, and maintain order in the process. The mob is the true ruling power behind any ruler, but as a whole (the mob does not account for individuality) the mob is easily manipulated, gullible, weak minded, and needy. If you give the mob what it wants and help to fulfill Maslow’s hierarchy of needs then the mob will be on your side. If the mob is on your side, then the occasional dissenter and uprising doesn’t matter, you stay in power. Religion helps to guide the mob, give it meaning, and purpose, rules, and structure. Without religion the mob would be more restless, and harder to control. ...
From:	Cyborg	2004-10-15 00:13:36
Subject:	Big J and other stories
Comment:	... How much money does the Catholic Church bring in on an average Sunday? Christmas? Easter? Year? 10% of the average American’s income is $3,000 a person. If half of all Christians are Catholics then roughly 80 million Americans are Catholic. Let’s say that just 25% actually give a full tithing of 10% that’s still $60 billion a year in income, just from the US side of the house. That’s better than most large businesses in the US. Why does the church need all of that money? Now I do have to make a concession, I don’t have an answer for everything in the universe…yet. The Big Bang is considered the start of the universe. But there isn’t any explanation for what was before the Big Bang, or what caused it, just what came afterwards. This can easily be explained by religion…God created the universe billions of years ago in one big bang. That is the same fall back used by the Greeks, Egyptians, Christians, Jews, and who ever else you want to attribute it to, if you can’t explain it, blame it on religion.
From:	Trinity	2005-01-05 02:55:00
Subject:	Anti-Christian Movement
Comment:	Hello, You are invited to Join the Anti-Christian Movement! This group's dedication is toward weakening the political power and faith of Christianity. This will serve as a place where we can exchange ideas and plans for action with the ultimate purpose of forming a National Organization to push this movement and get results. Christianity is the primary root of all intolerance in America. Are you ready to make history for a better future? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-christianmovement ~Trinity
From:	Kevin	2005-04-28 21:29:58
Subject:	Anger
Comment:	Wow, just happend upon the sight and those that don't believe in God seem like very angry people. Personally I could care less whether you believe in God or not. But for many of you out there, at least get your facts and statistics right.
From:	grace	2005-08-09 04:05:57
Subject:	please read all of it...please
Comment:	ok for the people who say that their isnt a God and 'how do u kno that he is real?' you kno that He is real because you can feel him inside of you, when you ask the Holy Spirit inside of you you feel something so wonderful. Revelation21:12-13 says: 'Listen! I am coming soon! I will bring my reward with me, and I will repay each one of you for what you have done. I am the Alpha dn the Omega. teh First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.' Earlier when someone said 'who made God?' --> He is the BEGINNING and the END, the FIRST and the LAST! I pray for all of you who arnt saved..who would want to spend eternity in hell better yet who would wanna spend eternity without Jesus Christ?!! When that person who left the first comment i pray for you. When you say forget God...did God forget you when he died on the cross for your sins? He didnt forget you and he never will... Also when someone said Christians dont kno what they r talkin about when it comes too the Bible...God gives you the words to say when u witness to people so we do know wut we are saying When i was in school last year my Bible teacher found a very good verse..it talks about testing the fasle teachers, you test their charcter because the Bible says not to believe false teachers! lastly i just want to say that Jesus love everybody and i pray for everyone who dosent have God and has such a cold heart towards Him. if you want to be saved just pray to God to please forgive your sins and to come into your heart so that you can spend eternity with the King! 'Jesus i will lay my crown at your feet' amen
From:	grace	2005-08-09 04:37:49
Subject:	the end
Comment:	believe it or not God is comming soon! Revelation 22:20 says Jesus, the One who says these things are TRUE, says, 'Yes, I am coming soon.' Amen Come Lord Jesus! i cant change your minds about your veiw on christianity but i can tell you if your not right with God when He comes, you will see the Truth because EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND EVERY PERSON WILL SAY HE IS LORD! please if you want to disprove the Bible b4 you do read Revelations! and no not all christians are perfect, nobody is, but dont judge all people! and if you dont believe in God and hate christians and religion keep it too yourself dont keep other people from the truth! i will close with this: Revelation21:6-8 The One on the throne said to me, 'It is finished. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give free water from the spring of the water of life to anyone who is thirsty. Those who win the victory will receive this, and I will be their God, and they will be my children. But cowards, those who refuse to believe, who do evil magic, who worship idol, and who tell lies-all these will have a place in the lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.' HE IS COMING SOON PLEASE DONT LET IT BE TOO LATE FOR YOU! God Bless everyone!
From:	allen	2005-08-09 22:38:24
Subject:	God's love
Comment:	Dear atheist friends: the word of God says ' while we were yet enemies of God Jesus died for us. So whether or not you beilve in God or not does not change His love for you. So my prayer for you is that you will find this out before you die. Jesus loves you and you can not change this!
From:	JOSEPH	2005-10-30 02:50:01
Subject:	Knowledge
Comment:	i wish to be an appentice to a Warlock
From:	professorgriff	2005-12-05 19:11:49
Subject:	poor christians
Comment:	I love this site! I will add this site to my links page. you can read some of my theories at http:/www.professorgrif.zoomshare.com I think you will like what you read
From:	Left&Right	2005-12-24 06:07:32
Subject:	GOD!
Comment:	I have some questions. For the Christians, how much do you actually know about what Atheists believe in? How many times have you actually read a science book? And when was the last time you listend when someone tried to show you evidence that god didn't exist? For the Athiests, how much do you know ( which should be a lot seeing as how there is so little to know) about what Christians believe in? How many times have you read a bible? And when was the last time you sat through and actually went over in your head what a Christian preached without suffering brain damage?
From:	NomadofMan	2005-12-27 12:16:09
Subject:	angry
Comment:	You seem to be getting a little bit angry
From:	Mike	2006-03-21 21:06:03
Subject:	So many questions, so few answers
Comment:	I apologize on behalf of 'FoamingFundy'. I've been a Christian for sometime now and he sounds like an idiot... even to me.
From:	Mike	2006-03-21 21:21:33
Subject:	???
Comment:	What does it take for a person to be able to think without bias, and to look at evidence (or the lack thereof) objectively? Could a Christian with a strong biblical background have the capacity to essentially recant their faith and except that there is no god/gods? Or, on the flip side. Could a professing Atheist except the Christian God by examining the evidence without presupposition? Need some input people.
From:	...LINA	2006-04-10 21:36:24
Subject:	HE LIVES, FACE IT.
Comment:	JESUS LIVES, REVOLUTION, HAHAHA NAH DONT THINK SO. IF YOU THINK SO THEN WHO CREATED THE MONKEY? AND WHO CREATED WHAT CREATED THE MONKEY? JESUS, JESUS. STILL DONT UNDERSTAND WHY NON BELIEVERS STILL CRY OUT TO GOD WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING, 'OH MY GOD'. WHO MAKES YOUR HEART BEAT EVERY MINUTE, WHO'S AIR ARE YOU BREATHING? SCIENTIST THEY FOUND WHAT THE BELIEVE TO BE NOAHS ARC...I LOVE ALL OF YOU ATHIEST, BECAUSE GOD TILL NOW HAS HAD MERCY ON YOU, YOUR STILL LIVING RIGHT? YUP THATS HIS MERCY.
From:	'idiot believer'	2006-05-10 20:18:23
Subject:	God
Comment:	'Prove that your God exists'. Good question. Prove to me he doesnt exist.
From:	Isas	2006-05-12 00:34:52
Subject:	atheism
Comment:	Many atheists thoughts seem to be about religion, what a waste. For evolutions or developments sake get a life. Forget about the zombie worshiping fools. Oh and Please don’t give me a compassionate grounds rave.
From:	Isas	2006-05-12 00:42:46
Subject:	Atheist definition
Comment:	Definition of the word atheist in many a dictionary states, Denial of gods existence. What’s wrong with this? Something smells
From:	'idiot believer	2006-05-12 02:09:41
Subject:	God's existence
Comment:	which is easier to prove that God exist or that God DOESNT exist?
From:	Anoymous Atheist	2006-05-16 21:40:46
Subject:	Don't pray for us!
Comment:	Don't pray for the atheists. We don't believe in it. Don't say we will go to hell. We don't believe in it. Don't say that Jesus existed. We don't believe in it. Don't say that god exists. We don't believe in it. If you talk about what really happened, evolution and science, we will listen. We beieve in that. So don't pray for the atheists. We don't believe in it. -anoymous atheist... (oh, and if you are not an Atheist, then please don't post something, other than a polite question, on an atheist board. It is rude and obnoxious. we will NOT change for you or anyone else.)
From:	Johnson	2006-05-22 00:04:09
Subject:	God is real
Comment:	Ok people its time to wake up and get a dose of reality. The truth is we didnt come from monkeys, apes what ever you want to call them. you mean to tell me if i trace my family tree back all the way to the beginning there wll be to monkeys there. Some people would say yes to that but how crazy dose that sound monkeys are there own species just like humans are there own species and we all have a creator believe it or not. A state of nothingness cannot exist therefore somthing uncreated must of had existed because in nothing nothing will never happed i can prove that there was never a state of nothing because im here writing this email that uncreated being was God he was just there. now that sounds silly because everything we know has a begining. but our minds cant comprehend certain things. it will be like teaching quantum physics to a fish. there brains arent designed for that. just like ours brains arent designed for certain things. only god knows. next look at nature and you will see that thigns are just to complex to hace evolved i can go on all day about this but it will be silly. deep down inside of all of us we have a sense of right and wrong where does it come from. every thing you do is either GOOD or EVIL. GODS way and SATANS way theres nothing in between. im sleepy ill continue some other time.
From:	Victoria	2006-06-02 01:13:09
Subject:	listen
Comment:	listen everyone. You can have your religion and we have ours. Christians dont piss the atheists off. they may make a 'law' to make you stop , because half of them are little babies who dont know half about the universe and are confused and lost
From:	bb	2006-06-02 01:21:01
Subject:	h
Comment:	yes. I get it. And no i wasn't trying to be iggnorant and malformed. as a matter of fact. today they are still finding some of the fossils incorrect. I dont need hard rock solid proof. Just faith. My mistake. but what i meant from organs. Organisms. No one can make life, only by a man and a women or asexual reproduction. They cant make it alone, with just their wit. This world is too complex. As far as the world, it isn't by chance or probabilty that it is staying at a exact and presice axis that helps us survive. I appreciate ur Message. But im not gunna post it just message it to you. Sorry if i offended you in anyway. but my philosophy is if there is a creater behind a painting . there is to this world. And no im not trying to make you believe that. Your entitled to yours as i am to mine. Your wise though . Anyways, today there finding species that they have no idea where it evoloved from and are just 'there' in africa. Evolution dosn't explain everything, it only explains what they want to explain . But who are we to decide whats real or not. We have short lives. We wont know or ever know what this life is really like, today there still trying to find where our consiousness comes from. I believe things evolved. But i believe theres a creater behind it all. And what proof is there that we came from Apes? or that Rocks and other made this earth? its not that precise. I may be malformed and iggnorant because i say what i feel. as you when you say the bible mentions none of us. When they do, you may have or have not read it. But they mentioned us as adam and eves children.
From:	OH NOOO another christian!!!	2006-06-09 01:26:36
Subject:	'Dont Pray for me'
Comment:	If you dont believe in it then why bother caring if they pray for you? Thats like someone who has an imaginary gun pointing at you and you scream out in a panic 'dont shoot!' If you dont believe in it then what harm could it do to you?? No I dont intend to try and convince you yo believe in God i neither know nor care whether or not you go to hell, thats up to you.
From:	ateo4good	2006-07-07 22:06:02
Subject:	atheism
Comment:	I JUST THINK ATHEISM IS THE ONLY WAY THE RIGHT WAY TO LIVE JUST LIKE WE HAVE TO LIVE
From:	Anon	2006-09-12 04:15:17
Subject:	Question everything!
Comment:	I'd just like to advise everyone to ask themselves why they believe in the things they believe in. Have you thought hard about the plausibility of your beliefs or properly examined all the available evidence? Or do you simply believe in something because you have been told to all your life, and you hang around with others who have been told to believe the same things? Just because millions of people believe in the same lie, it doesn't make the lie any more true. Try to question everything you 'learn', if it's just through word of mouth.
From:	Brittany	2006-10-23 00:06:20
Subject:	god luvs all of us!
Comment:	Look even if you dont believe in god he is there looking down apon u and he luvs you any way and you should believe in him cause he believes in you. and believe that jesus is the son of god. just think about it this way right now look all around you. now look at your computer. now do you really think this earth was an acsident. looking at all the trees and looking at the beautiful sky and thinking,'oh this is just all here 4 no reason' well it isnt god made all of this and you wouldnt be here if jesus didnt die 4 your sins. just look at it this way at the end of time god will ask u alot of things. how r u going to answer them if all this time you didnt believe in god when all of these signs are telling you. just at least take a peak at the bible! please. just to know about him. and church is every sunday. and 4 those people who r poor just pray and god will answer your prayer at his own time! i hope you liked what i wrote! Thank you! im only 12 years old and i can know god in this way. im a true christian!
From:	Anon	2006-10-25 17:30:39
Subject:	god doesn't know any of us!
Comment:	There's not an ounce of evidence for anything you just said. It's rubbish that Jesus died for our sins - how was he to know any of us would even exist, let alone commit sins - that's very presumptious of him, don't you think? Plus why do you think my existence hinges on whether Jesus died for my sins? I've looked at my computer (definitely invented, made, and bought by humans, not god) and no, I don't think this Earth happened by accident - have you ever heard of evolution? There's a theory that holds water - tons and tons of mutually supporting evidence, yet some people still reject it in favour of an ancient book full of children's stories. Do you realise that there are people of every single religion who feel just as sure as you do, if not more, that the religion they follow is right? Now think of how many religions there are. Now work out the odds that you follow the correct one, if there is a correct one. If all but one of the religions worshipping this all mighty 'god' character are wrong, would it be surprising if they were all wrong?
From:	Anon	2006-10-25 17:31:11
Subject:	God doesn't know any of us!
Comment:	I am familiar with the bible - I went to a Church of England primary school when I was little, and this is why I have such a hard time working out how anyone could actually believe in it. It's just so far fetched and ridiculous, and besides, have you read the Quran, the Tipitaka or the Guru Granth Sahib? Cos if not, how can you even begin to decide which religion is most right, if any at all? I'll tell you for why, the vast majority of people in the world never get a chance, or never bother, to decide for themselves, cos it is driven into their heads from an early age which religion to follow. I'm willing to bet that one or both of your parents are Christian and I don't even know you. I hate all religion because for so many reasons, but mainly because it creates self-righteous people who are prepared to mess up the world for the rest of us. Religion is holding back the progress of humankind. Religion is a virus of the mind. Religion is the root of all evil.
From:	Wretched Sinner	2006-11-10 02:03:46
Subject:	Truth
Comment:	If you've ever told a lie, stolen something (even something small), looked with lust (equal to adultry according to Christ), hated someone (equal to murder in Gods eyes) then you are guilty of breaking the law of a righteous God, and you will have to stand before him on Judgment day..........God sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for your sin, If you die rejecting Christ, then your fate will be eternal damnation in Hell...
From:	Wretched Sinner	2006-11-10 03:06:17
Subject:	Atmosphere
Comment:	Atmosphere with oxygen => No amino acids => No life possible! Atmosphere without oxygen => No ozone => No life possible! In must be noted at this point that the existence of a reducing atmosphere is theoretical and does not rely on physical evidence. To the contrary, there are geological evidences for the existence of an oxidizing atmosphere as far back as can be determined. Among these are: the precipitation of limestone (calcium carbonate) in great quantities, the oxidation of ferrous iron in early rocks (Gish 1972, 8) and the distribution of minerals in early sedimentary rocks (Gish 1984T).
From:	Wretched Sinner	2006-11-12 21:16:08
Subject:	Where did they go???
Comment:	'Darwin admitted that millions of ‘missing links,’ transitional life forms, would have to be discovered in the fossil record to prove the accuracy of his theory that all species had gradually evolved by chance mutation into new species. Unfortunately for his theory, despite hundreds of millions spent on searching for fossils worldwide for more than a century, the scientists have failed to locate a single missing link out of the millions that must exist if their theory of evolution is to be vindicated.' Grant R. Jeffery, The Signature of God 'There are gaps in the fossil graveyard, places where there should be intermediate forms, but where there is nothing whatsoever instead. No paleontologist . . . denies that this is so. It is simply a fact. Darwin’s theory and the fossil record are in conflict.' David Berlinsky 'Scientists concede that their most cherished theories are based on embarrassingly few fossil fragments and that huge gaps exist in the fossil record.' Time magazine, Nov. 7, 1977 'The evolutionists seem to know everything about the missing link except the fact that it is missing.' G. K. Chesterton
From:	Wretched Sinner	2006-11-12 21:30:09
Subject:	Wait, i'm almost convinced...no i'm not.
Comment:	Before you can assemble the large macro-molecules necessary for life you must have a ready supply of basic organic molecules. Imagine a primitive ocean. You need tons of sugars, amino acids, purines, pyrimidines, etc. There are a number of severe obstacles that must be overcome in getting a suitable ocean: Quantities - The first problem is overcoming the diluting effect of a vast primordial ocean. For example, a study which assumed use of the entire atmospheric supply of nitrogen for molecular formation indicates insufficient concentrations would result (Gish 1972, 10-11). Synthesis vs destruction - For chemical bonds to form there needs to be an external source of energy. Unfortunately, the same energy that creates the bonds is much more likely to destroy them. In the famous Miller experiment (1953) that synthesized amino acids, a cold trap is used to selectively isolate the reaction products. Without this, the would be no products. This poses a challenge to simplistic early earth schemes where lightning simply strikes a primitive ocean. Where is the 'trap' in such an ocean? Also, the creation of amino acids by a chemist in a laboratory is still much different from forming self-replicating life. This point has not escaped the attention of evolutionists. 'The physical chemist, guided by the proved principles of chemical thermodynamics and kinetics, cannot offer any encouragement to the biochemist, who needs an ocean full of organic compounds to form even lifeless coacervates [blobs]' (D. E. Hull, Nature, 186, 693 1960)(Gish 1972, 13)
From:	Wretched Sinner	2006-11-12 21:34:06
Subject:	Rise and shine!
Comment:	Incompatibility - Another problem is that different molecules will react with one another. For example, amino acids and sugars combine and destroy each other. In lab experiments the component chemicals are neatly separated from one another. How is this possible in a primitive ocean?
From:	Wretched Sinner	2006-11-12 21:45:35
Subject:	I think i am, i think i am,i think i am
Comment:	Any plausible theory of the origin of life must include the formation of complicated macro-molecules like proteins, DNA and RNA. In addition, there are other necessary components of life such as lipids, carbohydrates, hormones, enzymes, etc. that must be formed and be utilized to produce life. The syntheses of proteins from DNA is very complicated (see any biology textbook), and experiments to produce life in a test tube fall woefully short of creating life. There are a series of obstacles to the notion of life arising spontaneously from a sea of chemicals: CHEMICAL ENVIRONMENT - Some of the necessary component chemicals react with one another is counter-productive ways. For example, phosphoric acid which would be necessary to form DNA would form an insoluble salt with calcium (calcium phosphate), sink to the bottom of a primordial sea, and be unavailable to make DNA. (Gish 1972, 23). POLYMERIZATION - How are the polymers formed in proteins and nucleic acids? A basic problem is that monomers never become polymers unless energy is supplied - they don't spontaneously arise. Protein formation in the laboratory requires a number of deliberate steps by a chemist. Experiments with catalysts and heating of dry amino acids have not demonstrated anything close to realistic life macro-molecules. (Gish 1972, 17-23)
From:	Wretched Sinner	2006-11-12 21:48:46
Subject:	What?
Comment:	SEQUENCES - This detail is at the center of the origin of life problem. Assuming that there WAS a large supply of molecular building blocks, how do you get the specific sequences necessary in proteins and in DNA? Consider proteins: the sequence of amino acids determines the way the molecule will 'fold up', which gives it physical properties. For a particular function, an exact sequence is required. What are the odds of this occurring by accident? The odds of forming a specific molecule with 100 amino acids is (1/20) ** 100 = 10e130 (the number 10 with 130 zeros following it) to 1. Forget it! Along these lines, the famous astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle and Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe (both atheists) calculated the probability of life forming by chance in five billion years on earth. The answer is 10e40000 to 1 (a number so close to zero as to effectively be zero). They then considered the universe with 100 billion galaxies each with 100 billion stars and 20 billion years. Still no chance. Hoyle said the probability of life evolving anywhere in the universe is as likely as a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and assembling a Boeing 747! OPTICAL ISOMERS - Amino acids are found in L-amino (left) or D-amino (right) types and are formed in equal proportions in synthesis experiments. Animals and people are made of almost exclusively L-animo types. How is this selection made? ... Still an open question.
From:	Wretched	2006-11-15 04:05:39
Subject:	There is a God
Comment:	To go beyond proteins, DNA and RNA, and to assemble them into a working biological system is another mystery. We must go from disjointed molecules to complex interrelated systems that are capable of self-maintenance and self-replication. One approach (Oparin's Coacervate Theory) is to try to construct coacervates (large blobs of colloidal particles) from molecules. Unfortunately, this merely holds together random molecules by electrostatic chemical bonds. (Gish 1972, 27). Another scheme uses microspheres (Fox's Proteinoid Microsphere Theory) by the pyrocondensation of amino acids. But these are only random polymers of amino acids that are inherently unstable. There are no energy-utilizing systems, no replicating systems, etc. (Gish 1972, 30) A biological system is more than a collection of molecules thrown together - these blobs have to be able to do something, they have to act as little machines with input and output related to some greater purpose in the cell. How a biological system could arise still remains in the realm of 'science fiction'.
From:	Wretched	2006-11-15 04:09:23
Subject:	Don't die without Christ
Comment:	Now we cross the line from the molecular to the living. Whether bacteria, animals, plants or people, we all have cells. Cells consist of many biological elements that are enclosed in a cell membrane that allows certain molecules to pass out of it and let others in. It must be able to perform many functions: self-replicate, maintain itself by the construction of new proteins, regulate it's functions, etc. Cells are tremendously complex and more complicated than any machine man has ever built. Even the smallest bacterial cell has 100 proteins, DNA, RNA, and contains one hundred billion atoms. The simplest cells are not more primitive than, or ancestral of, larger ones. This poses an immediate problem. How do you get all the complicated machinery to work at the same time? It either all works or nothing works. For example, the information to construct the apparatus to synthesize proteins is stored in the DNA. But the extraction of this information requires the apparatus to be in place already (Denton 1985, 269). To explain the evolution of the cell requires imagining simpler 'proto-cells'. One such idea by Francis Crick (Denton 1985, 265) uses a proto-cell that is allowed to make mistakes in protein formation (termed 'statistical proteins') to create new systems. This is challenged by the knowledge that even small errors cause devastating biological consequences. In short, explaining the origin of life is a big problem for evolutionists. It is such a problem that mainstream scientific literature even considers the possibility of life dropping in from outer space, called the theory of 'panspermia' (Scientific American, Feb 1992). But even this only moves to problem one step outward.
From:	Wretched	2006-11-15 04:21:25
Subject:	Well?
Comment:	If aliens dropped us off, or a meteor crashlanded on earth carrying life, then from what did they or it evolve? Its simple. They Didn't evolve. God Created you.
From:	Ashley	2007-01-06 22:17:37
Subject:	I'm 13 so listen God is Real and I know
Comment:	Hey I'm might only be 13 but I know U R wrong God is REAL And I don't care what U think because I have been SAVED BY JESUS MY SAVIOR I have also experinced real miracles by my own eyes and I will do what ever it takes to save as many people as I can!!! If U want to convert repeat this Prayer: Jesus I am willing to give and devote my Life to U and I know I need U and will U please forgive me of evertthing dear Lord. Amen - Ashley Sims2freaket@aol.com)
From:	Ashley	2007-01-06 22:24:24
Subject:	I agree with
Comment:	I completely agree with Wretched!! I might not know everything about anything BUT what I do know is God is real he created U and me!! He sent his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross so he could save us from our sins!! He cares not the Devil, the Devil is the entire reason we are without a perfect life and why we are born with a sin nature!
From:	Lulu	2007-01-25 03:59:53
Subject:	God is real. Deal with it.
Comment:	God IS real. Jesus IS real. Angels are real. Ghosts are real. Aliens are real. There are things, that are real, weather you believe in them or not. You know WHY God is real? Because we live in a perfectly designed universe, that was not a product of 'Random chance' There is no such thing as random chance. The Big Bang theory I get, but it still doesn't explain where the chemicals, particles, matter, and everything CAME FROM that made the universe. Many scientists admit the creation of the universe was probably supernatural causes. You know WHY God is real? Because we are all tailor made. If we were spiritless clusters of decaying flesh, then, by default, their would be more products of humans with the same DNA and/or fingerprints. But there is not. Because we were each individually designed. You know WHY God is real? Because Jesus Christ his son came to earth and brought the truth to humans, in such a way, that it is horrible that so many people turn him away. He died for us. An ultimate sacrifice of love. And no Jesus is not a myth, he is not a character from a fairy tale. He walked this earth, his existence on Earth is historically recorded, we use his existence as reference dates. You know WHY God is real? Because a book written by God was published called The Bible, that safely made its way to every country. You know WHY God is real? Because every thing that grows was created. Creation and Evolution. Also there is archaeological evidence that proves the Exodus account is real. Where Moses lead the Hebrew’s out of slavery to the new land, where God lifted the ocean for them to cross… yes, since there is evidence that proves this story was a true event, it proves God’s existence.
From:	Mr. Green	2007-07-04 16:23:32
Subject:	Jesus
Comment:	If Jesus did excist. Does not go to say that he was the son of God. Was he not a terrorist or something.
From:	TheresNoGod	2008-06-04 08:18:58
Subject:	OMFG NEWBIES THERS NO GOD
Comment:	^ title says it al
From:	Felicia	2008-07-13 07:12:08
Subject:	i really don't understand you people....
Comment:	if you're so sure that there isn't a God then why do you find it so necessary to try to prove it...are you tryin' to prove it to other people or to yourselves..why do you care if somebody else believes in something wonderful?? just because you people lead sad little lives doesn't mean everyone else has to...and if you're sooooo sure that there isn't a God then why does it offend you so bad for other people to believe in Him....or to even say His name....i mean for real, if i had a pic of a one eyed swamp creature posted on the net you 'PEOPLE' wouldn't have anything to say about it..cause we all know there's no such thing as a one-eyed swamp creature...but if i posted a pic of Jesus on there ya'll would throw a hissy fit...why is that..i think ya'll just don't wanna admit there's a God because then you wouldn't get to live your sad little lives like you want to.
From:	Dlovesthetruth	2008-08-01 01:56:54
Subject:	The Kingdom
Comment:	The Kingdom of God isnt a matter of talk but of power.
From:	lucifer	2008-08-04 00:25:37
Subject:	god is worse than hitler!
Comment:	If u bellieve in a christian god then u believe in a god who is omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omnicient. If god really is omnicient and knows everything then when he created me he knew i was going to be an athiest. he therefore knew that upon my death i would go to hell. he created me knowing i was going to be sentenced to an eternaty of pain and suffering! he created billions of people all around the earth in full knowledge that they would all suffer forever! if this god exists he is definitely not all loving, he is infact bordering on sadistic and evil.... hitler killed many jews but their suffering was only for a life time.... this 'god' is sentancing billions more people to infinate lifetimes of suffering..... so yes if a christian god exists he is worse than a million hitlers. hitler only allowed germans in his master race.... god only allows christians.... who is more discriminative, they look about the same to me! thank u very much for reading my name is haydybo any q's can b answered at haydybo@hotmail.co.uk
From:	beca	2009-09-05 01:29:42
Subject:	christian
Comment:	I know that no matter what i say i probably wont change your mind but please just read this. A while ago i doubted that there was a God, alot of things were going on and i felt i needed to pray so i did and suddenly things made sense i done an out reach programme and it was amazing best week of my life. God has done some amazing things in my life and im just sad that the people in this chat cant have what i have because of there faith.Who or what else could have created such things such as humans? How did the world come about?
From:	TONY	2011-11-19 19:29:26
Subject:	fundy
Comment:	jesus said narrow is the gate that leads to life, wide to destruction and many go to it matt 7 13-14