Talkback: Atheists vs Christians Wars: The Rich

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From:	Faith	2001-04-17 02:15:22
Subject:	Truth
Comment:	The 'eye of a needle' refers to the passage/gate into the city. It was built narrowly. When rich men came into the city they would have to unload the camel to fit it through the gate, not impossible. Rich people in GENERAL bring with them much baggage, i.e greed, envy, selfishness etc which can become an obstacle in searching for / accepting the truth. There can not be two absolute truths. Either God exists or he does not. No one can convince you he does. It is up to you to look at things with an open mind.
From:	psych kid	2001-04-26 08:42:11
Subject:	entertaining debates
Comment:	has anyone else notised that origional sin is knowledge (apple from the tree of knowledge) and that not only did women pick it, and man get off on it, but the first people to be educated in judea-christian societies we're the priests. Wird huh. If you argue the bible is literal, then knowledge is origional sin (the knowledge of the sin? would that be conscience? - guilt?? Now that has interesting reprocussions for mental health) and education the source of satan (bear with me) so if xians we're free from sin, they wouldnt be able to read the bible (let alone have writen it) and their belife system would be spread by the damned. Catch 22 or what - poor fuckers! ---------------- if its god's will, who gets the money? robert rankin
From:	Soul Tempest	2001-09-07 15:22:54
Subject:	Thimk about it
Comment:	If there is no God and you belive in Him and die, you lose nothing. But if there is a God and you die a non-beliver, then you are screwed for eternity. I find being a Christian to be a whole lot safer.
From:	emad	2001-11-13 19:31:40
Subject:	looking nice woman
Comment:	i looking nice woman marry me
From:	Self	2001-11-24 06:32:55
Subject:	Better to believe in god then chance hel
Comment:	Well, interestingly enough if god doesnt exhist and your entire psychophilisophical process is based on his exhistance you would have spent the time you had as a self aware, rational and emotional entity as a self loathing irrational emotional vacum. As per the emotional vacum I direct your inquiry to the root of emotion, if not divine then delibrite. In other words just as your senses tell you fire, in a situation of burning you, is bad by signaling pain, your mind allows you to judge the value of something as good or bad with the emotional response (based on your set of values aquired through rational induction of your sensory input). So now I must inform you, you have everything to loose as a front runner in religion. Not only if god, or the 'supernatural' never pans out but ALSO if it does, as if your faith is based upon fear of being wrong about not believing then you do not have faith in any sense, but rather fear. What good will the fear (not of god but of judgement of gods truth) do you at judgement day?
From:	Charles	2001-11-27 23:03:05
Subject:	Faith = Power = Immortality
Comment:	Religion is a wide spread debate. 'Why?' Why do so many people believe in God and how did one man named Jesus impact people more than all the Kings in the world? Ask yourself that. Wierd huh. I am no expert, and I am not here to change the world or convert anyone. I am giving my observations. Faith can give a person more power then an army. Why? Because when you believe in something it gives you a purpose and motivation, it creates heroes. Even if all this talk debate war and thinking about religion is for nothing then why not believe in God, even if you think he/she doesn't beleive. If you don't believe in God you have damned your self as a mortal and have no purpose. With no faith and motivation for something we are doomed. I am Roman Catholic and maybe I don't like some of the traditions but I still beleive in hope for this small little spec in the universe. Men driven with a higher purpose can do anything. Life can suck alot but I believe that we aren't here just to live die and never do anything. Anybody who thinks we are doomed and we are here for no purpose hasn't been looking at the bigger picture, and needs to go inside themselves and ask questions of a higher purpose.
From:	picasso	2001-12-21 11:12:13
Subject:	atheism
Comment:	If there are any atheists out there here is something to think about. 'Lets say the atheists are right about no God, then there is no purpose, noafterlife. But if the christians are right, which they are, then the atheists go to hell. Why not be christian and be covered both ways? If there is no God then you wont regret being a christian when you are dead.
From:	tru athiest	2002-01-27 11:21:53
Subject:	think again
Comment:	If u think that u have no meaning without the guidance of god, u couldn’t be more wrong. It saddens me to see my fellow humans with about the same brain power I have, to buy into such crap. It is through the guidance of god that the Christians burned and destroyed villages because Indian tribes would not convert. It is because God that so many people died in order to prove there faith. I hate only to slam on ur god. But all religions are the cause of much hatred, war, and the very things it says its against. It was great in the beginning, they thought of a great way to control the people without them even realizing it. They set amendments as laws. And many different solutions to problems. People felt the “power” of god so much that they were willing to sacrifice there whole life to a book. If jesus was such a great man he wouldn’t try dictating trillions of people into not thinking for themselves and following a “god” of which no man has seen. Has god actually ever physically done any thing for you, or have you been making it up in your mind this whole time. It seems god is a easy solution to things we can’t explain. Cant explain it, no problem, call it a miracle. God takes credit for things men do on there own despite what they think. “I couldn’t have done it without god.”
From:	Blake Lo	2002-03-11 00:07:08
Subject:	GOD
Comment:	ok whoever that was talking to FoamingBundy or whatever who was looking for truth should not come ontp this forum anymore. Spear Fish, ect r idiotic loosers that have no heart and r sick people give people a bad influence. I have many non Christian friends but they dont mock others beleifs. unlike u. U should just shut up. If people want 2 beleive in God(like me) then let them. dont talk crap about it. But hey. U will all regret what u have been saying Ill promise that. BECAUSE U WILL ALL BURN o yeah, if u dont repent and go 2 hell. remember this, DONT DROP THE SOAP.(cause Satan and many others will like that alot) HAHAHAHA
From:	Rowan	2002-04-24 19:17:56
Subject:	Basis for belief
Comment:	What a wilderness of non-intelligence you christians live in.Did I read right?Believe in god so you are covered both ways??!!?If that is your basis for belief then you are criminally stupid.Instead of studying your religious history and origins and choosing your path based on information and historic evidence,THAT is what your conclusion is?People/christians like you actually do yourselves and what you profess to believe in more harm than good by coming out with sub-intelligent crap like that.You couldn't convert a smart CAT with that level of thinking.Please grow a brain.ASAP.
From:	jesusfreak	2002-07-21 01:47:14
Subject:	no paradise
Comment:	Jesus never said that this was paradise. How can you say that earth is paradise. Sex is everywhere. The murdering of babies(abortion)is common.Rape.Adultary.Murder.Stealing.Sorry my freinds, Heaven is paradise and i can't wait to get ther
From:	Rachael	2002-07-25 00:27:09
Subject:	Wow
Comment:	I am appauled at the level of childness both sides have reached towards the bottom. Now I think that both sides have put up a pretty good case. But whats with the YOU WILL ALL BURN thing dawg man? I am a christian and Cemented in my faith but dude. that was WRONG. You don't need to jude ppl. do youthink by condeming them that they will suddenly want what you have? if you can't tell them then you have to show them. by living your life like what you say you are. And the Drop the Soap comment? Very perverted and immature.I personally can't believe that you call your self a Christian and said something like that! Now as for the Atheist, I know that mr. Soap was immature and quite silly, but you didn't need to sink to his level. I did laugh When I read Grow a Brain but Stero typing all christians as Non intelligent? come one. Obviously we aren't that stupid. check out all these othe awsome post. Anywho I basically don't see why you are arguing. you came in here with a certian mind set and unless God suddenly softens you callaced heart, you are goign to leave with the same mind set. now please play nice.
From:	Jason ICC=DrunkMonkey	2002-09-12 02:54:28
Subject:	a little spin..
Comment:	here's a little spin on the 'eye of the needle quote'. I am in no way religious (i decided to be agnostic/atheist after my BA in philosphy), but my best friend is studing to be a priest. We've had many religious debates in the past and this one has came up. The truth is..in the ancient hebrew times, the 'eye of the needle' was a part of a 'tent' that was opened for ventalation. It was a small hole, but in no way was it impossible for a camel to get it's head through. Basically the 'foamingfundy' was right (although he wouldn't know it) the translation basically says it's 'hard, but not impossible'
From:	brandon	2003-06-23 23:50:06
Subject:	atheist
Comment:	THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ATHEIST... if you would have studied your self and your beliefs you would know this.. if you have not yet figured out why this is true you can email me and i will send you the answer... in christ, brandon
From:	Help Me!	2003-07-28 16:10:51
Subject:	atheist needs help
Comment:	hello everybody. i need your help. I am a firm atheist however i have been having some problems. one time as a joke i asked god for something, and i got it. this has happened to me 5 times now. what should i do?? my inner atheist is telling me to ride it for all its worth, and that it is all of course just a coincidence. however i have this strange feeling it may be something more. PLEASE HELP ME!!! CONVINCE ME THAT THERE IS NO GOD!!! or you may lose one of your own. please help.
From:	help me	2003-07-28 16:28:21
Subject:	think about this u christians
Comment:	there is one thing i have been thinking about a lot lately. where ever i go i see american flags. they are every where. every one is a proud american. i hear ppl say things like 'im a proud to be american and christian.' also i have even seen many bumper stickers that say 'power of pride' with an american flag in the background. many of these ppl also have christian bumper stickers. have these ppl all forgoten?! ISN'T PRIDE SUPPOSE TO BE A FUCKING SIN??!! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THOSE PPL?! they willingly sin and claim to be christian!
From:	Atheist	2003-07-28 23:15:12
Subject:	wait a second...
Comment:	now let me see if i got this right. i can lead a life of sin, and be the epitome of evil, and all that crap, and still get into heaven as long as i repent before i die? or on judgment day, which ever comes first
From:	Rideonthesky	2003-08-17 23:14:42
Subject:	Several truths can lead to ONE TRUTH.
Comment:	The eye of the needle is actually seen in five ways from the biblical point of view. 1. The eye of the needle is in fact, also referred to as the opening in the mountain of Petra, and this is where many caves, as well as many people, will flee in the last days from Jerusalem. The place is very hard to get to, and it is a very narrow opening, it's about 3 and a half feet wide, by about 5 and a half feet high, and a camel cannot go through this opening. In fact, the camels have to stop about HALF way up the MOUNTAIN, and the rest of the way for man, is very hard by foot. 2. The eye of the needle is also referred to in a parable for this one main reason! Because it is IMPOSSIBLE for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, it APPEARS impossible for a rich man to get into heaven. Jesus clearly explained, however, that with God 'everything is possible.' Even rich men CAN enter into the Kingdom, IF God brings them in. Faith in God. Not in self, nor in riches of this world. Now, on what are you counting on your Salvation. 3. It can be seen in Matthew 19:24. 4. Mark 10:25. And 5. Luke 18:25. And they all lead to ONE TRUTH. The true safety in God, Through Christ Yeshua, who is Jesus, our only Saviour. John 3:16. Highly recommend the study of those numbers, and the contents thereof. Have a nice day.
From:	Rideonthesky	2003-08-18 00:12:55
Subject:	Sin to allow SIN to abound MORE???
Comment:	Now, about sinning till your hearts content, allowing sin to abound even more, until your dyeing day, then asking for forgiveness! .......Well, let's ponder on this! ......The Lord says that many will call on Him, and even call Him Lord, but to turn from Him, for He never even knew them.......They are plenty with there lips, but their heart is far from me.......The path to the Kingdom is NARROW, the road to Sheol is BROAD........Highly recommend the study of His wonderful ways, before those last days......Repent means to turn from your wicked ways and to follow Him, have the relationship He so desires with all of us. ....... Do as He does, as He wills, therefore be ye Holy in Christ. .......And about there is no condemnation in Christ! .....That's a big amen, 'FOR THEM WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE HOLY SPIRIT.'....Romans 8:1..... And yes, that is in full context. Have a nice day.
From:	Questioning	2003-09-30 07:53:59
Subject:	How Can God Exhist
Comment:	I was raised Roman Catholic and converted to a non-denominational church. Everything was fine with that up until yesterday. I received an email about the killers of little James Bulger - he was the 2 year old in Liverpool who was taken out of the mall by two 10 year olds and killed. I had never much thought about it before, other than to feel sorry for the boy and his mother. But this email was a petition to keep the killers in jail. I decided to read more about the case before signing the petition. I can not tell you how upset I still am about what happened to that child. I can not explain it here, but you are welcome to research it online for yourselves. What these boys did to this baby was the most disgusting, awful, horrible, brutal torture you could ever imagine. Not even a hollywood movie could make up something more awful than this. It was so bad, his mother was not allowed to identify his body. After crying all day yesterday, I came to the realization that God does not exhist. How could he? How could any just and loving god allow something like this to happen to a baby? It is beyond all comprehension. After all these years I have asked myself if God exists, and was happy thinking he did - but now, sadly, I absolutely know the truth.
From:	filler	2004-02-23 13:28:33
Subject:	Why a fairy tale?
Comment:	why do these people think that God and Bible are a fairy tale?
From:	Kristopher	2004-03-13 18:27:36
Subject:	LIFE
Comment:	Do you not believe in God, heaven or hell, do you believe death equals dust and dirt. I came to a point in my life where I had to start questing what is the point of being a good person, having morals, obeying Gods laws if there is no God. Look at our laws and beliefs in this country; it is all based on one Book, the Bible. Why not cheat on our wife’s, why not do all that we can to better our self’s even if it is at the cost of others. Maybe we should lie, cheat, steal, do what ever it takes to be ahead of the man next door. As long as were not breaking the Law it shouldn’t matter what we do to one another. When you think about it, who are the police to say what is right and wrong, what are they basing their requirements on. Any two consenting adults have the right to do to one anther as they wish, no matter what it is. If I want to start a cannibal club where we eat those who want to be eaten, so be it, it’s done with two consenting adults and it’s no ones business. You can use this concept to any extreme you like. We don’t act this way because we know in our hearts what is right and wrong, I should say most of us do. God places his wisdom in our hearts and gives us the chance to chouse his way or our own way. One of the largest misconceptions of Christ is he allows evil in the world, the evil in the world comes from the choices that we as humans make, wrongs choices I might add. We can look at all the decisions we make and conclude that all the issues come from prideful selfishness; this is the cause of greed and envy, pretty much all issues of the earth. If God gives us this wisdom then why do we turn away from him, why is our heart so hard and stubborn that we can’t or don’t want to hear anything when the Name Jesus comes up.
From:	Juaneyne	2004-05-19 04:33:23
Subject:	Some things for Atheist to think about
Comment:	I believe that God is personal. For goodness sake people, JESUS WAS REAL. Now if any of you think that Jesus was not real I wanna hear your evidence. If Jesus wasnt real, then why are there so many documents about Him? Its not just in the Christian Religion either. I also belive that God is energy. As a Christian I believe that none is higher than God so therefore God was always there. Hmmmmm doesnt that sound like the Law of Conservation of Energy? Energy cannot be created or destroyed how ever it can change form. Didnt God change form?? Arent we created in HIS image. Dont we have energy in our body? You cant say that we dont because if we didnt how would our heart pump? How would our brain work? Another point:EVOLUTION. The Law of Biogenesis says that life can only come from life. So the bacteria had to come from some where right? Any way how can things come from bacteria? Come on people use your common sense* since you think that you are all wise* Living things could have not come from bacteria because bacteria is constantly reproducing every 20 minutes. In order for something to evolve, it needs to have a mutation and for evolution to have had taken place it needed to have a cause like change in weather. Bacteria live everywhere in the world including the coldest. Figure it out for yourself. Another thing I hate it when people say there is no heaven or hell. How would YOU KNOW???? HAVE YOU DIED YET AND COME BACK TO TELL ABOUT IT?????
From:	Juaneyne	2004-05-19 04:35:21
Subject:	Some things Athiest should think about
Comment:	I dont believe any of us has so stop trying to scare people with that no heaven or hell business cause you HAVE NO PROOF. Its a belief you cant prove it. A lot of athiest people say that believing in a higher beign is a mental disease. Well if that 'mental disease' is going to make me feel better about myself then so be it! I'm sick! My Last point is there is no proof that God exsist and we will never be able to prove it but thats why the Bible goes on FAITH. All of you athiest people are just plain STUCK UP and IGNORANT. The Greatest thing about believing in a higher beign is admitting that you are not perfect. I really do pray for all of you athiest people that maybe one day you may see the Truth. O and by the way the dinosaurs are in the Bible Read Job 40 and 41. You all looked in the wrong places for answers.
From:	just_another_face_in_the_crowd	2004-07-01 07:50:58
Subject:	Cant you see...
Comment:	What you people (athiest's) need to realise is that you cant belive in the devil and not in God!!! The Devil even bloddy believed in God!!! I dont want to put down or bag your life choices - your religion is your own choice to make not anyone elses!!! I am catholic - that is my choice and im totally fine with every other religion and choice one can meke - all i am saying is that even as an athiest - God exists!!! You dont worship him and that fine - your call - but that doesnt mean he is not there!!! At least give him that!!!
From:	DarkJackel	2004-08-24 12:51:07
Subject:	why are Christians evil?
Comment:	For some fucking reason every Christian guy I date feels the need to convert me because they are affraid Ill go to hell and they will go to heaven, in the end it doesnt matter that I have better morals than most Christian girls. Isnt it the Christian thing to accept what other people believe (or lack there of), or are most Christians hipocritical fuckbags.
From:	DarkJackel	2004-08-24 13:04:54
Subject:	get your facts straight
Comment:	To: Just another face in the crowd atheism is the belief in NOTHING, atheists do not believe in god (any gods) nor do we believe in the devil. You are thinking of satanists, even then satanists call themselves that to draw attention to the idea and mock christianity.
From:	joejoe	2004-09-18 19:26:14
Subject:	christians and athiests
Comment:	all im reading about is Christians attacking athiests about what they 'believe in.' christain belief is supposed to be about living the idea of love and forgiveness. believing in God does not make anyone a christian. stressing an importance on belief only creates an 'us against them' attitude and an elitism. i dont care what people say they do or dont believe in. all i wanna see in people is 'love thy neighbor.' thats what really matters! my uncle is an athiest and is far more christian than many christians i know.
From:	space monkey	2004-09-21 08:31:30
Subject:	Everyone thinks they are God
Comment:	In my subjuect ,I mean no personal disrespect to anyone when I say that everyone thinks that they are God , nor do I mean it litterally. My point is simple,God created the world in his own image , and while this gives us free will,it also gives us an ego. It is our personal sense of self that makes us selfish and unable to be anything but vain at best. The fact that God loves us still is what gives me hope.I dont however believe there are such things as 'true' agnostics or athiests. people are in all effect children in the eyes of God and act as such.Some try to make our father proud while others scream for attention with hatred or desire to see proof. I believe that the best faith in God is when you realize that God loves you more than you love yourselves as well and as well as he loves even the most hatefull of all sinners in the world. Easier said than done given the fact that we think we know what is best for ourselves. As for the first sin , I believe that it represented sex,which is the loss of innocence and the knowledge of good and evil.This is what made Adam and Eve to be aware of their nakedness.Symbollically enough,my first time was with a girl named Fallen...=)
From:	Non Believer	2004-12-30 18:47:11
Subject:	Proof of christ
Comment:	To comment on Jauneyne comment on about all the books that have jesus in them i can only think of one And that is the new testament. If you would do the resaearch you would acually find out htat Your savior jesus christ never exsisted. It is so funny that he was born on the same day as many other virgin birth saviors who's mother was named in derivative of mary. And had the same attribuates of these saviors son of gods. Man came into exsistiece as we are now aorund 130,000 years age and are linked to our late ancestors dating back as far as 4-6 million years ago with the discovery of lucy in Africa. The bible if we add all the years of each person mentioned it would only date back to 3000-4000 bec. so how can man exsist before that time hoe can life exsist before that time and how do explain the dinosaurs why are birds simular to the dinosaurs didn't the flood take care of them and why is their still life in the oceans with a flood of that magnitude the salt in the oceans would be so diluted that that life could not be sustained. Look at the salt lake it is so diluted now by the frsh water pouring in to it. So explain to were proof of your so called savior of man exsists and your god.Oh yes its the bible and man don't lie and make up stories either.
From:	religion...haha	2005-03-26 02:47:28
Subject:	Waste of Time
Comment:	TO ALL CHRISTIANS : Religion is a waste of time. Do me a favor and think about the whole concept. The only reason you people go to church, read the bible, do this shit, do that shit is because you want to save your asses from going to 'hell'. Thats a good way to brainwash you people into believing huh? lol. Selfish, selfish, selfish. If the bible didnt say that you'll be going to hell if you 'sinned' then all you people wouldnt give two flying fucks about 'doing good'. You all do it because theres a 'reward' in the end for you (heaven). Unlike Christianity, Buddism concentrates more on compassion (real compassion, not the christian compassion) for others and the reward is enlightenment of the Self. Living for humanity rather than 'ima save my ass from going to hell, the world is an evil place, so much crime around but we christians dont give a fuck because we're going to heaven ha ha.' Selfish, selfish, selfish.
From:	absurdist7	2005-03-26 07:12:50
Subject:	changed names
Comment:	yea.....i decided to change from my previous name 'religion...haha' to absurdist7. Thats all. Oh and if any christian wants to argue with me and throw their silly ideas at me then bring it on cause your gonna lose anyway. lol
From:	Thomas Francis-Xavier Lynch	2005-05-07 11:22:51
Subject:	no benovolance in capitalism
Comment:	Christians who believe in economic system's are doomed. Anyone who brushes up against this nonesense is being sold a line, and all you need to do is read the sciptures. Jesus the Christ was extoling a form of unitarian, utopian, community driven kind of world. No hate, only love. Helping those who needed the help. No profit margin. Check it out, Ameica goes completely against the scripture of God by virture of it's own political and economic desires. Capital gain over the single souls redemption, 'how can we make money here' is your government's decree. Who do you think God will welcome home, the succesful business man or the bankrupt soul that stayed honest but fell by the wayside?
From:	Cockroach	2005-07-24 12:49:57
Subject:	omg, is that my god?
Comment:	ok, foaming...whatever your whole name is...You are supposed to believe every word of the bible as undesputable fact, are you not?(yes) and that means ver batum (word for word) and thus if jesus said, in all of his broad statement glory :a rich man'(meaning all rich people) has a smaller chance of getting into heaven(the paradise promised to those willing to suspend good judgment and thought in exchange for a brainless, lazy philosphy) than a camel ( a be-humped four legged beast of burden) has of getting through the head of a needle(an openning that is 2mm by 2 2/3mm in demension). from this statment, jesus says that if your rich, your gonna burn. also it seems to be calling camels fat, which is entirly unfair, and camel biased...camel hater!
From:	Gods child	2005-08-10 00:23:42
Subject:	I beleive different
Comment:	There is more to like than hell! there is a purpose for you in this world and there is a purpose after we die God Bless, alyssa p.s email me if you have any comments on my comment misstalkalot2011@aol.com
From:	The Serpent	2006-01-03 22:44:00
Subject:	I didn't temp Eve
Comment:	That lying bitch, got me in a whole lotta trouble. She had the trees all mixed up. She thought the tree of knowledge of good and evil was in the midst. God plainly told Adam 'the Tree of Life' was in the midst. But NOoo! Eve spoke up like she knew all about. That Adam should of told her to 'shut the hell up!....you don't know about the trees. You weren't listening to a word I said about the trees. And you weren't even there when God had instructed me about them.' Now everybody thinks I'm some kind of a devil. They all curse me like I did something wrong. Next time I ought'a just let that dumb bitch eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But I cann't, God sent me as an help meet for Adam and I cann't let Him down. Now everyone still goes on believing Eve when she said 'the serpent beguiled me'. Well I didn't. If everyone would just go back and read it for themselvse. They would see I'm right. But NOOO!... again, everybody still listens to those dam preachers like they know what they're talking about. I just wish everyone would just take a look for themselvse. Read more. www.freewebs.com/keyofsee/
From:	chessman	2006-01-21 04:42:37
Subject:	the faith leap
Comment:	At the core of every christians argument trying to prove the existance of god. There is a faith leap that that each individual has to make and accept as fact. This is that there is no imperical evidence proving the existance of god Just a willingness of a person to accept god on Faith. Faith being the corner stone of any religion Faith proves nothing about the truth of gods existance it is an elaborate illusion created over a long period of time supported by others that precede the present who have all made the same leap.