Talkback: Atheists vs Christians Wars 1

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From:	theist	2001-03-19 19:18:19
Subject:	WHAT THE F
Comment:	You crazy christians never give up! You have caused millions of deaths and still continue to blindly follow your faith. All you rely is that little book of fary tales. GROW UP ALREADY!
From:	Buce Borowski	2001-03-26 12:02:22
Subject:	You sound like a cult fanatic
Comment:	You should hear yourself, its obvious you have lost any credibility you MIGHT have had. You asssssuuummme that everyone who calls themself a Christian is one. That shows just about the depth of wisdom you have which obviously is'nt much
From:	vfr	2001-06-21 14:50:57
Subject:	all religions fake
Comment:	all religion was invented by pepol that were scared off dieing so they decided to invent and belive in a complete fairytale that says theres gonna be life after death in my opinion
From:	vfr	2001-06-21 14:57:09
Subject:	even if im rong 99 % off em are going to
Comment:	even if im rong 99% off christians are complete hipocrits anyway they chose to live there life in a way that completly defies all the rules they go and listen to every sunday so if there right and im rong and there right there all going to hell anyway
From:	Atheist Eric	2001-08-16 09:11:08
Subject:	My Site
Comment:	Please visit my site on atheism at atheisteric.homestead.com/amainpage.html
From:	Tigran	2001-10-19 16:58:44
Subject:	Jesus,religion and god
Comment:	Jesus was just another man like you and me, but because he knew special healing powers, people made him BIGGER than he really was. Ofcourse in Jesus's eyes,he was god's son. Especially since his parents found him. I dont belive that god is a living thing. It is a higher being. I cant believe how far imagination took human-beings. And just to think that one day we were hanging out on trees being the Animals that WE REALLY ARE. Religion is nothing more but,BLIND FAITH... The real God For Humans that needs recognition is NATURE!
From:	Milan	2002-02-06 13:51:01
Subject:	fake it is
Comment:	goddamn, why all religious people are so protective of their believes? they know that there is no arguement and therefore they treat it like tabu. you know what you are absolutely right! keep on believing that the sun rises and set, do not question the supreme being, you are nothing, you are to go to church, you are to pray for your sins, you are to put $20 'donation' in the bucket on sundays, and when you are to step before christ in the doors of heaven he will ask you for another $20 then he will bitch-slap you and tell you that you are the biggest fool on the face of the universe.
From:	Blake Lo	2002-03-10 23:36:03
Subject:	lol
Comment:	u guys shouldnt mock religion. First of all. We do what jesus wants us 2. not the church. second, If U accept Christ and rape/murder ect. U r not a christian. it all depends on your heart
From:	Blake Lo	2002-03-10 23:39:33
Subject:	lol
Comment:	also, I realy dont care what u say about christians cause we r not hypocrites. U R BEING HYPOCRITES THAT CANT RESPECT SOMEONES BELEIFS. also like i said I dont care what u say. Cause I am not going 2 regret is when I am dead. unlike u who unless change will BURN IN HELL! LOL
From:	luke	2002-03-11 19:02:05
Subject:	religious study
Comment:	Hi. I am conducting a religious study on peoples' beliefs. Can you go to www.angelfire.com/realm2/reality3 to give your views about life, existence, etc. Or see what others have to say.
From:	Rowan	2002-04-24 18:24:29
Subject:	Origins of christianity
Comment:	Most christians are completely unaware of the pagan origins of their own religion.Therefore,how can they have made an informed choice in believing in something when they are not in posession of all the facts?Christianity is simply an evolvement of much older Eurasian religions which centres round a Jesus who may or may not have existed.(I concede that he may have been an historical figure,but an all too human one.)There are several mythical dieties with amazing paralells to jesus,the two closest being Mithras and Horos.Mythically,they were born on 25th Dec(Winter solstice)in a cave/stable,attended by shepherds and wise men bearing gifts.Both were saviour gods,performing miracles and both were crucified and rose after 3 days.The sacraments of these two religions involved baptism by water and a holy meal when the followers symbolically ate the body/blood of the risen diety.Is this ringing any bells for anyone?Christianity is simply an adaptation of pagan myth.The bible is simply a collection of hebrew folklore.It is intellectually dishonest of any christian to try to rubbish the Mithras and Horos connections if they have only come across them AFTER their conversion or indoctrination into christianity.They could not possibly be objective or open minded if they are coming from one blinkered angle.where,surprisingly,some christians had heard of these pagan 'Jesus' clones,but of course they said these earlier myths were prophesies of the real jesus.How convenient,how naiive.They were frantically trying to fit things in to their own belief system.If these myths were prophesies,then why aren't they used,as the bible constantly is,as part of so called christian evidence.Shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted springs to mind.
From:	Rowan	2002-04-24 18:33:58
Subject:	Origins of christianity continued.
Comment:	Christians can continue to delude themselves,but they have no monopoly on truth,in fact they seek to avoid the real truth.Early christians did their best to eradicate Mithraism and other pagan religions,most churches are built on ancient mithraic sites,archaeology is consistent with this.But truth will out,if you are intelligent enough to see it. Finally.I find the re-curring christian sentiment to non-believers of,'I'm going to heaven and you will burn in hell' to be so lovely and kind(being deeply sarcastic here of course).Nice to know they practice what they preach.And fear of going to a mythical hell is a poor excuse to believe in anything.Thanks for your time,Rowan.
From:	cameron	2002-04-24 22:28:07
Subject:	questions for Atheists
Comment:	ok, here is some questions for atheist to answer: 1) you guys dont belive in heaven or hell 2)no angles or deamons 4)no miracles 5)no soul 6)no creation 7)man is basicly good 8)there is no God 9)no supernatural 10)no purpose 11)to bring the world to a Utopia well here are my questions 1)if you have to purpose in life just to live get married and die, well your purpose is to populate, and your guys purpose is to make the world a Utopia how can that be no purpose but yet try to make a utpia 2)if everyone is good then why do we still have killings, stealing,WWI,WWII, Holocost. so how can you be good if you kill people. 3)if you are saying that everyone is good then why try to make a utopia, because there is no need for it if everyone is good, because you already have one 4) if you belive that there is no God then why do you say that you are one. if you are one then i would like to see you do something. like fly or make something out of nothing, well thats supernatual but i thought that you guys didnt belive in supernatual beings, if you are a god then you are a supernatual being. if you cant answer at all of the questions above then dont send me anything.
From:	Steven Park	2002-05-28 22:29:14
Subject:	my opinion
Comment:	alot of people around the world have the same feelings as you. But us christians have our beliefs as well. It is said that God will bless those who bless him and curse those who curse him, i'm just trying to explain that its alright to have your beliefs, but don't get in the way of others who want to know the truth. In the end every human being will die and breath his last breath, but those who believe that Jesus Christ is the true son of God will be saved. So why not believe if you are going to die anyways? Whats the worst that can happen, you'll die like everybody else?
From:	dragonsess	2002-10-12 20:02:31
Subject:	Stupid
Comment:	I beleave in what i want. god is what and who you want him to be. me personly I beleave in the more then one god/goddess thing it makes more sence.
From:	alicia	2002-11-05 16:04:02
Subject:	hi
Comment:	hi u lot who r obsessed wiv wever there is a God or not.i think that if u need proof for the exsistance of God then r not a christian,coz the whole point of religion is to have faith in ur gods,u shud look 2 them for gidence,and they shud give u strength.ur probaly thinkin im chattin complete shit,i prob am,i was jst bord and came 2 this website.
From:	Elija	2003-02-09 06:49:56
Subject:	to Rowan
Comment:	Thank you for repeating that bit of false, rewritten garbage that pagans/satanists try to pass off as history. Satan's dogma: If you can't beat the truth, just reinvent it. By the way, since no writings survive from the period of which you speak of (that pre-dating Jesus) what you claim is just a pagan counter-myth to Christianity for which you have no proof! Just a thought: Those who believe in Jesus have everything to gain and nothing to lose; Those who do not believe in Jesus have nothing to gain and everything to lose!
From:	Inflatible Goat Man	2003-05-16 01:55:03
Subject:	sons of bitches
Comment:	I dont believe that we came from god or whatever. I seriously think that we're evolved forms of apes. Think about it, I was watching Discovery channel, and the program was about evolving, look at elephants today. Dude, they were fucking huge ass hairy things millions of years ago. We all evolve to our surroundings and when apes started using their hands, it took more and more brain power, and they started learning shit, and over time, i dunno, i just confused myself, but uh, mabe when i get more bud, I can tell you what im talking about
From:	mikekk67	2003-06-04 23:26:20
Subject:	kids vs reason
Comment:	Christians.....tsk tsk. They are all momma's boy's who are dumb enough to follow the rules because they are fooled it is God saying not to break the ten commandments. WAKE UP! Your parents forced you to go to church for obvious reasons. Your whole life you believe in something....and till the day you die you would have believed in something that you never actually saw. The sad part before you apss away is that you won't see heaven, but of course you won't be alive anymore to tell your fellow Christians about the horrible news. They will all find out when it's too late.
From:	Jay P. Nelson	2003-06-09 11:09:24
Subject:	What is faith?
Comment:	Faith is believing in something you know is not true. Truth is based on what you or science can physically prove to be a fact. Believing in something you or science is never going to be capable of proving is therefore faith. So believing in God, Allah or Santa Claus is just the same...Santa Claus is just as valid as God, Allah or elves for that sake. Their existence can never be proven. No representative for any religion will ever accept that the foundation of his religion can be proven scientifically why it will never be proven and therefore never can be questioned by him/her or any outsiders. What a nightmare for a doubtfull believer but a smart move by the founders of religions.
From:	ShruggingAtlas	2003-08-13 16:12:54
Subject:	Atheism vs Religion
Comment:	as many of you have more than likely already discovered-- in the end, the atheism-theism debate becomes nothing more than an giving the participants an opportunity to hone their debating skills, as well as flexing their philosophical muscles..if they have any. It would seem that no amount of 'evidence' proposed by either side ever convinces their opponent. IF any point is raised as evidence sounds convincing, then the parameters of what the term 'evidence' really means is put into question--and this slothful move seems to be performed more often by the party who knows his perspective is being toppled. He is losing the argument. And I would estimate that 99 times out of a hundred, it is the theist who is guilty. I am atheist myself simply because after years and years of hearing arguments from both sides, the atheists have come up with the best arguments.
From:	feak	2003-08-27 15:04:09
Subject:	a word of advice
Comment:	here is some very good advice and sayings i have seen... braise the lord at 450 degrees add vegatables season to taste god, save me from your followers so many christians so few lions for more like these, go to www.darwinfish.com
From:	Macabre	2003-11-20 21:11:29
Subject:	Viewpoint from another mind
Comment:	These christians and their all mighty god, HA. I wonder what they would think if i were to tell them that there is no hell. You see there was an actual hell but it was a dump of a town with trash and things burning everywhere. No it wasn't until about the 1100s that hell became demonic reaved with flames and evil spirits. Along with this bible that they so blindy follow. Ever play that game where everyone sits in a circle and you whisper something in someones ear and when it gets to the end of the line it comes out different from what it first was. Just exactly how many times has the bible been translated. I just find it funny that these people murder, rape and steal in the name of their self rightous god and his appeasingss. Then they go to confession and thier sins are all forgiven simply because god loves them.These primates should open thier minds and realize that all of them have been dooped into a religion that was created by a very small handful of cultists. December 12, 2012 all of them will realize what the stories in the bible originated. The time will come when all humans will realize just exactly how weak they are. Dont stop to think, Bite him Consume his life. Macabre
From:	kip	2004-01-03 19:37:43
Subject:	sdfgvfg
Comment:	i noticed not one of you brought up a poitn against religion. You just said it is all crap and i a m sorry for any on ewho belives. how can you be taken seriously when non of you have brains enough to come up with a logical non circular argument against religion.
From:	kip	2004-01-03 20:01:31
Subject:	ad
Comment:	Rowen go to this page tell me iof this storey is anything like the mithras legend you made up. http://museums.ncl.ac.uk/archive/mithras/text.htm According to this and many other refrences mithras came sprng froma tree or a rock or a 'cosmic egg' not anything like jesu you moron.
From:	j evers	2004-01-17 19:16:51
Subject:	debate
Comment:	I am an agnostic, don't know don't care. I have more compassion for human life than all the gods ever imagined. I wonder why people debate if there is or is not a god? If you believe go in peace. If you don't believe why argue about something that does not exist? If there is aGod he would not be afraid to take control. The devil would not be having all the fun. I know that if a christian created this earth it would be void of color and life.
From:	Carl	2004-02-29 13:36:04
Subject:	Too strange for words
Comment:	Why is it that nearly everyone who appears to have left a comment on this message board has a particularly hard time spelling words or using practical grammer? Everyone within this chatroom is a complete moron...or perhaps their are issues that I am not aware of.
From:	fancy	2004-03-09 16:01:18
Subject:	non believers
Comment:	OMG you are so lost it aint even funny. But lets see who has the last laugh when you are left behind for being sooo stupid,. FAIRY TALES? you cant even spell it write. I know where I am going when I die, do you? It seems like you know exactly whats gonna happen to you and you dont care. People like you are so blind with all your holier than thou mumbo gumbo. You think that you are better than us chriatians but I have news for you, YOU ARE NOT! You sit there talking about how stupid we are, but the fact is that you are scared to admit that you are wrong and it is you that will burn, not us. You sleep on that mr, I am better than all, you my friend are not God and never will be.
From:	fancy	2004-03-09 16:08:11
Subject:	for mikekk67
Comment:	OMG, YOU ARE SOOOOOOO WRONG I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION HERE THAT YOU ARE ALL BLIND, STUPID AND MOST OF ALL GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL. WONT SEE HEAVEN WHEN WE DIE HUH. WELL I WILL BE LOOKING DOWN ON YOU AS YOU ARE BEGGING FOR FORGIVENESS AND ADMITTING YOU WERE WRONG. BECAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN, WHEN YOU ARE LEFT BEHIND, YOU MY FRIEND WILL ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG AND SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO GOD, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT OUR PARENTS MADE US DO, IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT GOD HAS TOLD US TO DO. I LAUGH AT PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND FEEL SORRY FOR THEM, I REALLY DO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE IN FOR WHEN HE COMES BACK FOR THE CHRISTIANS THAT FOLLOWED HIM LIKE WE WERE SUPPOSE TO. THEN YOU WILL BE VERY SORRY AND THERE WILL BE NO ONE THERE TO HELP YOU, THEN WHAT WILL YOU DO SMARTY PANTS. I GUESS TO YOU THE BIBLE WOULD MAKE MORE USE BEING A COASTER FOR YOUR BEER NO WOULDNT IT? POOR UNFORTUNATE SOULS, POOR MISGUIDED FOOLS, YOU WILL LEARN THE HARD WAY.
From:	free	2004-06-06 12:02:45
Subject:	science
Comment:	it seems there is a lot of pain and anger on this site. everyone is tring to complicate matters, but its the simple things that will help you understand. as for science ask why is it that with our supreme intelligents we stil have so many ailments? when a drug first comes out it is a revoulution. ten years later it is found to be the cause of many deaths. vaccinations are pushed on us all the time, but why is it that doctors will not vaccinate their families? why is it that in almost every pakaged food there is always either corn ,wheat,or sugar of some sort added? if you dig deep enough you may be suprised.it makes me sad that some of you will not find the truth until you are dead. if this is the same science that is tring to help and heal us it is no wonder there are so many confused people still lookig for answers.
From:	free	2004-06-06 12:46:57
Subject:	TEN COMMANDMENTS
Comment:	the TEN COMMANDMENTS are basic laws of society. without laws or order there is kaos. if someone disreguards the laws there is a penalty. without this structure we would surely all be living a very different life right now. there is a war on and about religion going on now. the problem is that many people who say they are religeous do not practice it and use it to their own means violating some of thier own laws. it makes it very hard for a true practicioner to be taken seriously under these conditions,but well worth it. her in the U.S.A. along with the laws we have great freedom. but with great freedom or [ power] comes great responsibility. having the freedom to sue someone for almost anything dos'nt make it right.all you have to do is look at the judcial system and see that.
From:	No longer under a bushel	2004-06-16 22:58:48
Subject:	Pointless debate
Comment:	This debate is silly! There seem to be 4 camps: there is no God, I don't know if there is a God, God's whatever I think He is, and there is God. But nobody has yet made a good argument for their beliefs (whatever they are). 'Because I think so and my opinion is all that matters' has yet to be a convincing arguement for anyone! If you don't believe in God why argue over it if someone else does? Isn't their opinion as valid as your own? And if you believe there is no God does it even matter? For those of you who aren't sure, if you can't make up your own mind how can you argue with what someone else believes? For those of you who declare God is whatever you think He is, isn't that akin to the clay declaring the potter is whatever the clay decides the potter should be? For those who believe in God, no matter which set of beliefs you cling to (or don't) is insulting people or laughing that they will burn in Hell or shouting from a roof top any way to get people to listen to you in normal life, let alone in matters of faith? Whatever you believe you have your reasons, and no matter what anyone says there is no scientific proof that there is or is not a Creator. Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. Quoting the Bible, pagan literature, or whatever will not make an impact on anyone who does not believe the authenticity of the source.
From:	Bushel again	2004-06-16 23:02:03
Subject:	Pointless debate cont...
Comment:	Everyone believes in something (even if it is nothing) and they believe it for reasons beyond that which science can explain. Everyone has faith in something (whether in God or the laws of nature or whatever) there comes a point beyond the bounds of science where nothing can be tested, only hypothesized (where did life actually come from?, how does gravity actually work?, how can something as complex as human thought originate from chaos?, etc.). These are matters of faith! Whether you have faith in God or science or your own self, you have faith in something. For without believing in something what is the purpose of living? Now we come to the arguement. Who is right? Every group of believers (in whatever) will have the answer to that (themselves) and have lots of information, theories, gossip, feelings, stories, and what have you to prove it. But there-in lies the problem. If you have faith in something, you have faith because you are dealing with something that can not be proved/disproved any further! The other problem is lumping all believers of whatever into the same group and saying they all have the same traits/personality. All fundamentalist Christians are... All new age people... All buhdists... All aethesists... Whatever you happen to believe, we are all human and knowing what you know of people (ie. no two are exactly the same) this can not and should not be done. I personally hate being a statistic!
From:	Bushel	2004-06-16 23:03:25
Subject:	Debate3
Comment:	Our society thrives on turning people into statistics! Because you are female you are automatically... and all black people are... all Islamic people are... You can not be defined by whatever people categorize you as, the same applies in reverse! One should not assume all Christians are fanatical lunatics because you've met a Christian fanatical lunatic. Religions are made up of people and all people have their unique quirks and traits, and though they may seek religion as a life changing experience they are still who they were before believing (change may happen but not overnight). Defining a religion or belief system by the behavior of one individual member is not fair. It is also important to remember that within a faith system there are going to be differing views on things. In the Christian faith the main tenet is that you believe Christ died for your sins and by his blood are you justified, sinner though you are. But there are people who call themselves Christians who believe you get to heaven by being 'good' (whatever being good means!). And there are those who call themselves Christians because they go to church once a year or went to sunday school as a child. And even die-hard-born-again Christians disagree on things like baptism, communion, female priests, women wearing pants, homosexuality, etc!
From:	Bushel	2004-06-16 23:04:33
Subject:	Debate4
Comment:	Religion/faith isn't as simple as saying you believe in God, or Buddha, or nothing, or darwin, or the tooth fairy, what exactly do you believe? Do you live your life accordingly? If not, perhaps you should examine your heart to see what you truly believe! Someone who claims to be a Christian and laughs about another burning in Hell is not someone I would choose to acknowledge as a brother in Christ! Christ did not laugh at those who nailed Him to the cross, He said 'Father forgive them, they know not what they do.' No wonder people think Christians are a bunch of hypocritical Bible-bangers! Whatever happened to 'love your enemies.' Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are any less of a person. We are all sinners, even if you are justified by Christ you are still a sinner and Christ died for the non-believers just as much as the believers (who themselves happen to have been non-believers at one point!). Whatever you believe in, you aren't going to convince anyone else by shouting at them, insulting them, etc. Engage others in a philosophical discussion or a friendly debate. 'Holier than thou' is not going to win converts to any religion but it will drive others away! But to convince someone else that your faith is worthwhile shouldn't you be a living example? People aren't interested in listening to someone who says one thing and lives another. Yelling at someone that their deepest held beliefs are fantasy and stupidity is how this silly debate (if it can be called that) began. If you disagree, sit down and get the facts straight before you start bashing each other!
From:	Amber Blake	2004-09-16 18:14:39
Subject:	i hope im not the only one who notices
Comment:	i know your going to point your finger at me and judge me. i just want to share with someone who can make an educated opinion (unlike most pple who made some ignorant comments) . as a child i had a hallucination. for some reason i got a very bad fever and had passed out. I had this hallucinaton, it felt like my fingers were balloons but they remained normal size. i felt like i was flaoting, but remained on the ground. in that hallucination i saw thousands of rats in my living room eating my mother. me my sister, and big bro were standing on the coffee table screaming. I was furious, and i knew who it was attacking my mom so i i went on the ground with the rats and started to pull them off her, while i got bit. then i was near a dock, and tehre were millions of people near this dock. they were getting goods from these sail ships. thousands of ships. for some reason i was full of dread. i cried.
From:	Amber Blake	2004-09-16 18:16:59
Subject:	i aint done yet
Comment:	after this i saw an asian dragon eat my mother. an earlier experience i saw was a ghost the whole school knew. i was in gr 2 and it lived in this old house across the feild of new norway school. it would come to the play ground and scare us. when it was near we could all hear these drums. they were horrible, and i screamed and held my ears everytime i heard it come down my driveway to my farm. one night it came through my window. it was there for my sis ( she'd had some close expeirences with it b4) ...she was asleep andit saw me awake staring at it. it stood by my bed staring at me ...its eyes swirled colors of the rainbow..then blood red.i put my covers over my head and remembered what my grandma told me. me and my sister told my grams aboutt he ghost b4 and she told us to say ' go away in the name of jesus'. and thats whati said. i cast it out of my presence and never heard or saw it after that. oh boy..i can only imagine some comments im gunna get about that one..fuckin A..but anywho..ive been reading revelation, and this chapter is all symbolic..i understand it and can link it to current events..im not scared tho, i cant wait, but i do cry for those who are left behind. no one will understand whati feel i know till it happens. till that day i have devoted myself to do..some stuff that i know i am here to do...im the messenger..i know it...Amber Blake
From:	I AM GOD... jk	2004-10-27 01:49:22
Subject:	Stupid People
Comment:	people are dumb... I dont understand how people can believe in a god in this modern era of science and technology. I thought superstition died out in the renaissance. There obviously is no invisible all powerful man just like there is no santa, satan, angels, ghosts, etc...
From:	The Llama King	2004-11-23 16:22:19
Subject:	Jesus H Christ
Comment:	You people, the war between atheists and christians is silly. Not to mention that there are more kinds of people in the world than just Christians and Atheists. I for example, am an Agnostic Discordian. Meaning: I don't know if god exists or not and if she does then there is no way I can even pretend to comprehend such an infinite being, but I do believe in a Goddess of Chaos named Eris. I know it's contradictory, but it works. Anyways, you're all being silly here. Atheists belive what you want to believe, Christians believe what you want to believe. But Christians, your beliefs are YOURS. Jesus said when you pray do it in private, so please do get your fucking religion and agenda back into your private life and leave everyone else alone. Thank you for your cooperation.
From:	K	2004-12-08 21:47:35
Subject:	Existence of God
Comment:	The fool says in his heart that there is no God. I have arrived in a fools paradise
From:	Brendan Rancy	2005-05-01 07:56:40
Subject:	atheism vrs god
Comment:	the atheists can't proove there is no god at all... for the moment, it's impossible. The is one thing they can prove, by the laws of physics, no super-natural force can have any influence on matter, on anything in the world. There may be a god, but even if he exists, he will never do anything for you. when you pray... dont expect anything in return; it's impossible, and that's been proven by Albert Einstein.
From:	Ben Black	2005-05-05 07:03:11
Subject:	Everybody is a bleedin idiot.
Comment:	I find this to be the most lack luster excuse for philosophical debate i have ever read. For all the athiest who use science to justify thier position don't know what they're talking about. To the idiot who tried to use Relativity to say that the supernatural couldn't effect anything, you are obviously not familiar with the random unpredictable movements of sub atomic particles as laid down in quantum mechanics, or the unpredictable world of basic chaos theory. If you want to get seriously philosophical you can't really prove your own physical existence, and if you want a scientific proof for that read up on the Holographic Paradigm. While we may have evolved from apes, science can't show how life began, or the creation of the universe, except for the mind boggling theory of infinite regression. And to the Christians, you have no proof. You serve up cryptic prophesy and fit it into current events after the fact. The reason people don't like you is not because of what you believe, but your tendency as group to try to impose your beliefs on the masses through lobbying and legislation. When it boils down to it all any of you have is a limited understanding of science, dime store philosophy, inane rationalization, and stuborn pig headedness. Humans know nothing. in the grand scheme of things we are small, insignificant, and supremely ignorant. No human has ever really known truth, nor will one ever know truth. No real christian would claim a real understanding of the nature of thier god, or a perfect interpretation of the bible. Any real scientist will tell you that what we don't know infinetly out weighs what we do, and no scientifc law is written in stone. Accept your ignorance and small place in the universe.
From:	Brendan Riley	2005-05-07 07:55:32
Subject:	reply to ben black
Comment:	K it's true that things like creation of the unniverse are unclear, and our general knowledge of most things is very incomplete. On a very different subject, people have been debating on weather Einstein believed in God, heaven etc. It should be known that Einstein firmly believed that people who aspired to life after death, were just childishly trying to maintaim themselves very distant from the idea that there is an end sometime or another.
From:	codefucious	2005-11-28 09:11:55
Subject:	where do i begin
Comment:	just about every christian didnt beleive in god at one point. But something led them to beleive otherwise. personally I've had my prayers awnsered. Most people lead such mediocre lives they have no want or need for God. my dad was a christian but i never lived with him. once upon a time i was hitchhiking around the country without destination. i prayed,hey couldnt hurt. lookin at a map i realized i was only a couple hundred K away from my dads. i wanted to call him, catch a day or two of rest before i turned myself in. the one thing stopping me was my dad dosent like suprises. ecspecially in the form of a wayward son whose destoying himself and has nowhere to go. finally i was like i'll try once if hes not there screw it. turns out he just walked in the door. when i talked to him he wasnt even suprised, he just said he'd pick me up. then he told me something that would change my veiws forever. My dad does not profess to talk to God, ever. but, casual as ever he tells me he heared: your sons coming here today how are you going to react? It was the very thing I'd been worried about. I would like to here someones explaintion on this who dosnt beleive in God. before this i had always been interested in world religeons,science and lifes bigger questions. fact of the matter is, everything i learned meant nothing in the face of that experience. i've learned that all the facts in the world wont change peoples beleifs. Stephen Hawking says its mathematically impossible that the universe could have developed by chance.impossible, HELLO! anyways, seek and ye shall find, dont beleive me, just try it. dont even search for the christian God, just be unbias and search for the truth.peace.
From:	codefucious	2005-11-28 09:42:57
Subject:	Word
Comment:	Wow, it's all about the mud slinging, huh? I thought debate was for opening your mind. using reason and understanding to further your knowledge. it would seem no one here is concerned with finding out the true meaning of things in an unbias fashion. i agree with bushel on this one. no one is evening giving any good reasons for their beleifs. its like, your stupid, oh yeah well your going to hell.as one who beleives in Christ i'm a little dissapionted in the disposition of alot of the christians on this site. i'm going to write one more comment on why i beleive what i beleive and i hope to engage in an intelligent debate. i would like you to defeat some of my reasons and i'll do the same for you. and we will both walk away with a little more underestanding, of each other and of things in general.
From:	codefucious	2005-11-28 10:26:13
Subject:	How crazy am i?
Comment:	This is why i beleive theres a God: if things happened by chance I doubt the world would be such a beautiful place. How do you evolve a sense of smell when there is no such thing. what part of you decides what evolutionary addition to your primal being is a keeper or not? someone just gets born with an eyeball and is like 'oh yeah, this ones a keeper'. What about whales, there mammels. so something evolved from the sea, became a mammel and then decided to wade in neck deep water for thousands of generations until it was back to a combination mammel/sea animal. Humans have no natural predators. theres no thinning of our herd.God said we have reign over all the earth. seems true. the whole earth is on a cycle, except us(free will). Stephan Hawking claims its mathematically impossible the universe as we know it could have happened by chance. under the pre-tense that the more peices that come together the more likly it will fall apart. It's like finding a watch in the middle of the bush and being like 'well, possibly over millions of years all the peices came together to make this watch and it now keeps perfect time.' I would say it's more likly someone made it, considering not only the complex design but the beauty with wich it was made.To me, most likely scenario, God. And the fact that most would beleive the most likly scenario in any other walk of life leads me to beleive that people know in their hearts theres a God they just desperatly dont want to own up. Wich is ironic. everybody has this idea of God that you have to do this and do that to gain his favor. the bible says its his free gift to you. I leave you with my most fovorite bible qoute, 'For those who beleive in him WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED!' strong words for a liar,huh?
From:	Gods Child	2006-01-24 03:46:39
Subject:	go where you wish
Comment:	athisim is just a form of stupid immaturity or the people that are atheist wernt raised right and thats a shame cause not beliving in God comes wiith a sacrafice going to hell and if thats what you guys want to do that have fun but God i belive told me to say this for us a child is born and the government will be on his sholdures abd he will be called wonderful counceler mighty God evertlasting father prince of peace. isaiah 9:1 verse 6
From:	Gods Child	2006-01-24 03:59:51
Subject:	go where you wish
Comment:	sorry that last messege was a little messed up but not everything in that was scripture but atheist belives or obsceenly immature and ignorent. some of you atheists havent even reads the bible and are just going off of what other people say so mabey you should look up what you dont belive befor ou make the lame choice to go to hell. and if you guys dont belive tha t the all the things on this earth didnt come from christ than you planly done have a clue on what kind of desission your making. oh and another thtin every person in this world is a hippocrite no one can escape that. im a terraably sorry that all atheists caved into the devils temptation
From:	christian	2006-04-29 09:33:44
Subject:	This is sooo gay
Comment:	half of you all (atheists) say you dont belive in God because you cant see him well you cant see air but you know its there. The other half say you dont belive in God because so old idiot said he wasnt real. The rest of you say you dont know what you belive so just shut up then. If you want proof that God is real than go to Holiness church or any church for a while. You know what heres some examples of God when a car flips over and the driver get out with out a scratch on him thats God. When a teenager choses school over drugs thats God. When a man gives his only son to save the world thats God. I'm going to pray for all of ya'll who dont belive.
From:	Melvin	2006-09-19 03:57:09
Subject:	to theist
Comment:	Right on you speak the truth. yeah do what he said GROW UP already
From:	Melvin	2006-09-19 04:06:31
Subject:	to christian
Comment:	you sound like an idiot 'christian' you can see air just look carefully when its hot and you can see waves. when the car flips it is probably a christian who just left church and had a few beers and got drunk. and since he was so relax and didnt know what was going on he only came out with a scratch. and if there is a god i want no part of him he GAVE his only son imagine what he thinks of us.
From:	your brother	2006-09-23 16:06:57
Subject:	I don't beleive in trucks
Comment:	What is it in an atheist’s creed that insists he disproves faith to the faithful? As believers we know what drives him but surely there would be at the very least a trace of sensibility left in him that would prevent him from taking such a dangerous and arrogant stance. You see just like the Pascalian wager, if the Christian is wrong and he does indeed go to spiritual and physical death and passes on into the carbon cycle and turns to dust, he has lost nothing. Dust cannot regret. However, if the atheist is wrong and goes before the Father and is judged he loses everything. There are none more blind then those who refuse to see.
From:	your brother	2006-09-23 16:08:22
Subject:	I don't beleive in trucks
Comment:	Another analogy is the trucks in traffic example, one of my favorites. Living a secular life and not believing in hell, is like standing in traffic and not believing in trucks. It matters very little if you believe in trucks or not. A good example of living in two worlds is an overwhelming abundance of the suddenly absurd and ridiculous. Until I was saved I had no idea of how much nonsense went on and more incredible than that is I did not even notice. I am not talking about the blatant idiocy I am talking about the society’s moral normalcy. What is accepted and expected by the average civilian is stomach churning. Moral is no longer normal, common sense is no longer common and inconsequence has become a badge of honor. Our champions get away with murder, we pay too little to the cashier and we brag about it, we are entertained by a prostitute’s accomplishments to become “Pretty Women”, we laugh at fantastic violence and we explain away the evil in the Jeffrey Daumers of this world by illustrating the harms of the very same media we endorse to ourselves, or his shoes were too tight in his early years. Who Knows? Man is no longer guilty. Man has become a consequence of his society. Man has embraced a new identity with the grace of a bot-fly. Fictitious characters have become role models and fiction has become the benchmark. And all the while atheism has held its place as the keystone of the secular society.
From:	your brother	2006-09-23 16:09:34
Subject:	I don't beleive in trucks
Comment:	Thanks to Nietzsche until his mental collapse, thanks to Sarte and Bauvior until Olga, thanks to Freud until his morphine and how can we forget the godfather of eugenics, Darwin. These people have helped to write the guidebook of the atheist, which gave birth to the disgraces of Hitler, Stalin and Maybe even Idi Amin. You see Idi Amin was told there is no god so he took the job himself. Atheism today is modified and stylized to suit our needs and fashions. You take 3 parts atheism, 1 part humanism, 1 part rationalism, add a dash of catechism and you get your hero. Our heroes are divorced, aggressive, misunderstood weekend dads. They “ Die Harder” or become “lethal Weapons”. Foul language, some alcohol, a fight and a cigarette and we say, “He’s cool”. He’s “Getting Rich or will Die Trying”. Men no longer have propriety. They are not embarrassed by selling and using drugs or somehow incredulously deciding for themselves a lifestyle of sexual offence, robbery, rape, murder, indifference and denial. All the while the academic world rationalizes the causes of evil to reductio ad absurdam. So we will act like nothing is wrong, we will validate our misconceptions, we will find everyone’s problems in their abandonment by their fathers or their desires for “mom” and we will count on “evolution” to make everything better with time. Well folks (to my secular friends) this may be as good as it gets.
From:	oli	2006-11-03 20:48:38
Subject:	religeon
Comment:	im with all you atheists out there religeon is for people who dont think, its an excuse to believe you good THERE IS NO GOD theres no proof or anything i think its so rubbish that poeple can believe that there is some invisible person who listens. religeon has done more bad then good and i hate it
From:	... -_-...	2006-12-20 08:21:06
Subject:	blah blah
Comment:	These atheists its not even about whether God really does exist or not, they just love to argue to the point where its like a drug to them. Also these christians GET OFF your high horse mr. 'hollier then thou' your human too so dont go around condeming ppl to hell. Does God exist? What a useless question to ask an atheist or a christian, the real question is if he didnt exist would you want him to?
From:	jb	2007-04-13 22:20:21
Subject:	The Christian Faith
Comment:	What ever your opinon maybe on the subject on christianity, is there a man or women alive who can argue that the basic principles of our faith are noble and the sacifice of Christ was pure, people argue constiantly that religion is the source of all of humanities problems, which is utter crap, humans twist and taint religon to their own objectives and agenda, humans are the source, not religion if religion never had existed humanity would have found something else to fight over, most christians are simple people who wish to live their lives correctly and purely enjoying life simply insted of decadence and decay in the filth of excess. I would also like to point out that Christianity includes 1/3 of the population of Earth and thats not including any other religious parties, Atheism is below 1/4 I do believe, maybe people should think about that before they dare question why people follow devotly to our religious faiths and I don't think either that the so called murder atrocitys caused by religion bring in the doubt of God or Christ. Well thanks for anybody who read this
From:	?	2007-05-05 16:11:57
Subject:	the truth
Comment:	God Exists, why? read the following .... He god ....'who has made the earth a resting place for you, and the sky as a canopy, and sent down water from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. then do not set up rivals unto god in worship while you know that he alone has the right to be worshipped.
From:	Rick	2007-08-16 03:08:37
Subject:	your sad state
Comment:	It is interesting to listen to you people argue incessantly about what cannot be proven either way. You want so badly to hurt each other, and this dark reactive circle of both sides wanting so badly to be right....would be funny if it did not cause you so much suffering. I don't care which side is right. Here's an idea. Since we all have in our lives pain, sickness, gain and loss, joy and sorrow...since every one of us will lose all that we have gathered and die some day, let's quit attacking each other for sport. Maybe recognize our shared humanity and support each other. That goes for you atheists who say you're 'good', and those who wish to be as good as the man named Jesus.