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FytinFrank:
the fossil record has a lot of scratches in
it, it will sound better when the CD comes out
TheisticFellow:
So, God came
here, and gave the animal Man a soul. This would
be hard to convey to Moses, so it came out as
"God created man" in his image.
eadon-com:
So, TheisticFellow, why would God plant such
a fossil record in the earth?
FytinFrank:
men, floundering, were given sole, By God, just
for the halibut
eadon-com:
Ah! So now you are implying that evolution is
true, we all evolved, and then, when we evolved
into homo sapiens, god intervened and gave us
a soul? Is that what you believe, If I may ask
humbly?
TheisticFellow:
I believe
that is ONE possibility.
eadon-com:
So you have reduced god from creating animals
to a soul creator?
Isolani:
Barnacles... still trying to find a rhyme. Wait
.
eadon-com:
Testicles, Isolani
Isolani:
Thanks eadon.
TheisticFellow:
If you were
given a task to produce a computer program emulating
life, would you start by inventing the operating
system?
eadon-com:
Yes, indeed, unless an acceptable OS already
existed
Isolani:
Modern parable at work here.
TheisticFellow:
Perhaps God
looked around, and found what he could work
most efficiently with. Not that he couldn't
do it another way
Isolani:
Ooof, hitch in TheisticFellow's last.
eadon-com:
So TheisticFellow's idea of creationism is somewhat
subservient to the advances of the scientific
ideas of evolution.
Isolani:
TheisticFellow must make adjustments, his mind
swoons to absorb technology and Old Testament.
There's that ol' element of doubt that eliminates
the smugness in us all, if we think. Now rise
above the surface and catch some air, there's
the rub!
TheisticFellow:
Is that what
I was doing, Isolani? I thought I was allowing
for the possibility of evolution and creation
to be true.
Isolani:
You equivocate TheisticFellow. You're just like
me.
eadon-com:
Nice try TheisticFellow. This is a more enlightened
approach than many christians. I see nothing
wrong with that approach except that it just
means that when science advances, TheisticFellow's
ideas of creationism will have to recede. Our
beliefs are never to be trusted. I don't trust
my own, that's for sure.
ProphetZ:
if you don't believe your beliefs they aren't
beliefs. Its oxymoronic, you sound confused
TheisticFellow:
Let me again
state ... AGAIN ... this is all just ONE possibility.
ProphetZ:
I know science and it hasn't refuted anything
yet, the big bang is a fairy tale
Dudge:
eadon, are you suggesting that science will
advance to explaining how his concept of "soul"
came about? Other than his explanation, God.
ProphetZ:
a non-believed belief is oxymoronic
eadon-com:
So how does our friend, ProphetZ, manage to
explain why the galaxies are flying away from
one another ?
ProphetZ:
away? quite an interesting concept, for the
universe to expand, infinity must exist
Dudge:
how so, PROPHETZ?
ProphetZ:
most of science think we are expanding and contracting,
we would run out of room or we would implode.
Once this much matter goes in motion what can
stop it? only an equal and opposite force by
basic physics
RabbitMunch:
expanding and contracting? no, the universe
is just expanding.
ProphetZ:
and the 2 universe theory is to much for me
eadon-com:
what set the matter in motion PROPHETZ?
ProphetZ:
god
Dudge:
It could just keep going, PROPHETZ. The universe
wouldn't have to be infinite.
eadon-com:
So god caused the big bang?
ProphetZ:
it would need to be at some point, or it would
hit the wall, you are arguing the flat world
theory. Like the universe stops and you will
fall off the edge
eadon-com:
Hmm. The galaxies are flying away from one another
and they are a finite distance apart. That implies
that the universe was once smaller. And that
if you run time backwards, it becomes very small
eadon-com:
until we see a big bang. it is very simple
dak:
there is no edge to the universe it wraps around
its self
ProphetZ:
and how did you prove that? yard stick?
eadon-com:
Through telescopic observations PROPHETZ
ProphetZ:
the it would be a beach ball
eadon-com:
There are many techniques, mapping the universe,
observing red shifts etc
ProphetZ:
I have read a few articles on it, the expanding
theory hasn't any proof to expansion other than
transient. How can you predict it will continue?
RabbitMunch:
the three major observations that support BB
theory are the cosmic microwave background,
red shift of distant objects, and neucleosynthesis
ProphetZ:
or that it wasn't bigger, got smaller and now
bigger again?
eadon-com:
ProphetZ, there is no reasonable explanation
other than big bang. Can you name me a plausible
alternative?
eadon-com:
ProphetZ:
there is no reasonable explanation for how the
big bang got the matter to bang. Matter can
neither be created or destroyed,
ProphetZ:
there has to be a being not grounded by physical
laws
eadon-com:
That is not the point. The fact is that it DID
bang :) . Incidentally, matter CAN be created
and destroyed! Matter can be created and destroyed
in the lab, PROPHETZ and it routinely is.
RabbitMunch:
It may be that God started the big bang
ProphetZ:
wrong, that is the whole point, if God created
matter, he could have banged it if he wanted
RabbitMunch:
But regardless of the mechanism, there was a
big bang.
Ged183:
Matter cannot be destroyed. It can be transformed
into energy.
eadon-com:
Matter can be destroyed. Energy, a photon for
example, has no mass :)
Dudge:
PROPHETZ, what is it you have against the big
bang? It isn't inconsistent with belief in God.
ProphetZ:
the big bang is a big unfounded guess. It makes
no sense to me as a scientist. I can't do an
experiment with nothing in the test tube
eadon-com:
PROPHETZ the big bang is very "founded" guess,
LOL
ProphetZ:
then explain where the contents came from?
Dudge:
Maybe God, PROPHETZ.
ProphetZ:
the big bang doesn't explain creation at all,
only how we got here if we start with hot rocks.
But how did the hot rocks get here?
Dudge:
The big bang has nothing to do with evolution.
ProphetZ:
so I reject all incomplete theories
RabbitMunch:
hot rocks? what are you talking about?
ProphetZ:
evolution all starts with the big bang
eadon-com:
PROPHETZ, that is irrational! do you reject
Newton?
ProphetZ:
what banged together, a bunch of hot rocks,
that is atheists best guess
eadon-com:
PROPHETZ, in the big bang there was nothing
but energy
ProphetZ:
mass energy, where did the original energy come
from?
Dudge:
Evolution couldn't have started until the earth
had formed, and had some very basic form of
life, PROPHETZ, which was billions of years
after the big bang
RabbitMunch:
PROPHETZ, where are you getting this hot rock
stuff from?
ProphetZ:
all energy contains mass
eadon-com:
matter arrived later when the universe cooled.
ProphetZ:
that is where you start it, all evolution propaganda
includes the big bang
eadon-com:
matter and energy are related, e=mc squared,
but not the same
ProphetZ:
energy is moving mass, e=mc2 remember?
eadon-com:
energy is not mass!
ProphetZ:
of course they are
eadon-com:
mass is a manifestation of energy
ProphetZ:
if e=mc2 then m =e/c2
eadon-com:
they are related, but not the same. A photon
is not massive
ProphetZ:
without the big bang you can't get to life on
earth, of course the big bang is part of evolution
eadon-com:
In the big bang originally there was energy.
matter as we know it can only appear once the
universe has cooled enough
RabbitMunch:
right, but evolution is not a part of big bang
theory
ProphetZ:
you can't change words because your argument
won't support the real meanings. I accept evolution
in a species, that is clear. Humans have gotten
taller,
Dudge:
PROPHETZ, without evolution you cant have local
online commerce...but we aren't going to say
they're the same
ProphetZ:
there is no evidence for interspeciation or
any other form of evolution
eadon-com:
Yes there is, PROPHETZ. Look at fossil evidence.
ProphetZ:
of course you can, all things on earth are evolved
from day 1
ProphetZ:
what fossil evidence?
eadon-com:
fossil evidence shows simple ancient creatures
evolving over hundreds of millions of years
into more complex creatures
ProphetZ:
elephants were supplanted by mastodons, that's
as close as it gets
FytinFrank:
mastodons
eadon-com:
Not at all
FytinFrank:
the determined skeptic can dig a trench anywhere
he wants, evidence be damned
ProphetZ:
but they could also be called little mastodons,
its a word game
eadon-com:
birds evolved from reptiles for example. Humans
evolved from a series of hominid species
ProphetZ:
then which reptile was the last and which bird
the 1st? Dinosaurs and reptiles aren't species
eadon-com:
Probably the birds evolved from the reptiles
known as raptors
ProphetZ:
birds and reptiles can be the same lineage,
these aren't species
eadon-com:
They have a common lineage, the birds and reptiles
ProphetZ:
these are dinosaurs that learned to fly and
became littler, but its not called a bird, its
a robin. etc
eadon-com:
all animals belong to a species PROPHETZ
eadon-com:
so the main point is this: the fossil record
shows that birds evolved from dinosaurs or similar
reptiles
ProphetZ:
so I am saying that birds are merely the dinosaurs
that adapted by flying
eadon-com:
I agree PROPHETZ
ProphetZ:
so you say, but why couldn't they just be light
dino's
eadon-com:
you can think of them that way, sure!
ProphetZ:
its a word game, not a cross of species, like
a air breathing fish
Isolani:
Dinos lite, a new reptile, from the Miller company.
ProphetZ:
that is cross speciation
eadon-com:
Air breathing fish exist, they are lung fishes.
eadon-com:
the fossil record shows us that fish evolved
from simpler creatures with no back bone
FytinFrank:
anabantids, like Siamese fighting fish, gouramis,
Paradise fish, etc
eadon-com:
and that amphibians evolved from fish
PriestessNova:
but they
are still fish, correct?
ProphetZ:
there are mammals in the water, I think lack
of gills probably means they aren't fish
eadon-com:
and that reptiles evolved from amphibians
ProphetZ:
I doubt it
eadon-com:
and that mammals evolved from reptiles
eadon-com:
and we are mammals
eadon-com:
It is all there in the fossils.
ProphetZ:
then why aren't there fossil records for all
these transition animals?
eadon-com:
There ARE, PROPHETZ, and there are missing links
FytinFrank:
nature prefers to recycle than to make fossils
ProphetZ:
name 1
Dudge:
It's difficult for fossils to be formed
Isolani:
Yes Dudge, they have to study.
eadon-com:
but at the same time the gaps in the fossil
record are being plugged all the time as new
fossils are discovered.
ProphetZ:
if it was difficult for fossils to form , why
are there trillions of barrels of oil?
eadon-com:
PROPHETZ, because there were many more trillions
of tons of life over 600 million years. simple
Dudge:
and we haven't got a large fraction of all the
fossils out there too
ProphetZ:
sounds like a bunch of excuses,
ProphetZ:
I know a specific species evolves, I have never
seen any credible evidence for a real missing
link, trans species freak
Dudge:
Fossils and oil are very different
ProphetZ:
and when you see a walking talking fish, come
get me
eadon-com:
What about the whales, PROPHETZ, we have missing
link fossils of whales with legs
eadon-com:
And of reptile-like birds
Isolani:
Good point eadon.
eadon-com:
And of ape-like humans
dak:
tell me about the missing links, I asked my
waitress where were the links that came with
my breakfast and see said everyone knows that
there are missing links should ordered the bacon
eadon-com:
And of horse like rats etc etc
eadon-com:
There are millions of examples of transitory
fossils
ProphetZ:
mammals that lost legs is only similar to people
losing the little finger, atrophy
eadon-com:
Many are alive today, like lung fish
ProphetZ:
if you find the whale with gills and lungs,
you have a cross species fossil
ProphetZ:
or fish losing eyes in total dark
eadon-com:
Whales don't have gills, only lungs
ProphetZ:
atrophy is a common evolution event
eadon-com:
yes
ProphetZ:
my point exactly
ProphetZ:
so they aren't walking fish
eadon-com:
and it is also true that these lost abilities
can be revived genetically via atavism
ProphetZ:
they are mammals who lost their legs
eadon-com:
PROPHETZ, the fossil record shows it all!
ProphetZ:
atavism?
ProphetZ:
not whales with gills it doesn't
ProphetZ:
you are describing basic biology, not a missing
link
eadon-com:
yes, species that evolved and lost features
can be made to reproduce those lost features
by stimulating the DNA. This is an example of
atavism
ProphetZ:
you people will do anything to stop trying to
explain where the big bang came from
eadon-com:
Evolution is true, and the big bang is true,
the evidence is overwhelming for both
RabbitMunch:
the Big Bang came from God
eadon-com:
I will try to explain PROPHETZ
ProphetZ:
bingo! RabbitMunch
eadon-com:
if you will bear with me
ProphetZ:
and no starting with hot rocks
RabbitMunch:
But let's not forget that there was a big bang
eadon-com:
There is a theory of the big bang that says
that we stared out with loops of energy called
string
RabbitMunch:
oh no. not string theory.
eadon-com:
These strings have properties such as dimension
that can explain many features of the big bang
ProphetZ:
and how is this energy composed ?
eadon-com:
But we are dealing with rather abstract concepts
here
eadon-com:
The point about reality is this:
ProphetZ:
does e=mc2 still?
ProphetZ:
then where is the M?
eadon-com:
Why should reality be easy for humans to understand?
Why should it be possible to sum it up in sentences
to the layman?
ProphetZ:
something got created , there must be a creator,
what is hard about that?
eadon-com:
This!...
eadon-com:
The creator got created , there must be a creator
of the creator, what is so hard about that?
ProphetZ:
prove that 1?
Ged183:
Does anyone really care about the big bang ?
Apparently when the universe was less than a
second old it was the size of an orange. I mean,
so what ? How many angels can dance on the head
of a pin. Nonsense !
ProphetZ:
you are in an infinite loop, you proved the
hard part
eadon-com:
Well, PROPHETZ, you prove your assertion first,
then I will prove mine :)
eadon-com:
No, YOU are in the infinite loop! that is my
point!
ProphetZ:
I see matter created, that proves mine
Ged183:
The whole universe the size of an orange ! What
cobblers !
Isolani:
Greeks had a creator for Zeus. What's so difficult
about it?
ProphetZ:
now you prove yours
eadon-com:
No!!!! You don't understand! You are advocating
a creator, I am not!!!
ProphetZ:
guess the Greeks knew they were wrong
eadon-com:
I cannot prove there wasn't a creator
ProphetZ:
I have a saying saved for situations like these
Isolani:
Yep ProphetZ, they knew they were creating an
image that was inferior to reality.
eadon-com:
But I see no evidence to induce one
ProphetZ:
I've proven that already, but you weren't listening
to me. I'm right. I'm right. I'm right.
eadon-com:
I was listening PROPHETZ! I didn't find your
argument to be consistent with science.
eadon-com:
You say: "what created matter?"
eadon-com:
I say: "if a creator created matter, as you
suppose, then what created the creator?" It
is a hoary old chestnut
ProphetZ:
then you must not have been listening when I
said you weren't listening
eadon-com:
OK, I'm a simpleton, I may have missed it. please
remind me :)
ProphetZ:
finally progress
DeadlySin:
ProphetZ, you are the living proof that a very
intelligent and good God Who makes persons simply
doesn't exist. No offence.
FytinFrank:
it is best to be doubly deaf to ProphetZ's drivel
eadon-com:
PROPHETZ has lost his arguments tonight. there
was a big bang and there is evolution.
ProphetZ:
poor bitter losers, you'll see how smart God
is on the last day
eadon-com:
Shakin in my boots PROPHETZ hehehe
ProphetZ:
you have proven nothing, as usual. Well remember
I told you so,
eadon-com:
I have shown PROPHETZ evidence. PROPHETZ has
shown me ill informed rhetoric.
ProphetZ:
look for me, I'll be the one laughing at your
dumb arse
eadon-com:
See you in Hell PROPHETZ
ProphetZ:
with pleasure
FytinFrank:
we used to have a cat named Rhetoric, he was
run over by a car
ProphetZ:
there is no way to prove the impossible no one
can explain creation without a creator
ProphetZ:
I am not a bitter atheist, that's all you need
to know RA
eadon-com:
Lack of prove does not constitute a supernatural
inventor PROPHETZ
ProphetZ:
knowledge of basic physics does
ProphetZ:
e=mc2, can't have e all alone
ProphetZ:
not possible, so you didn't get off the ground
waving your string
eadon-com:
This is the fallacy of the uneducated religionists
who cannot learn any science or philosophy and
resort to some dumb religious creed written
by ancient peasants
ProphetZ:
you lose, I win, Ickey Shuffle!!
eadon-com:
E can exist alone!
RabbitMunch:
PROPHETZ, I don't see how you can believe that
God started the big bang while at the same time
believe there was no big bang.
eadon-com:
PROPHETZ is wrong. he doesn't have any grasp
of Einstein's relativity what so ever
RabbitMunch:
can you respond, ProphetZ?
ProphetZ:
e can't = 0 can it?
eadon-com:
E without M is what you see! It is called light!
Doh!
RabbitMunch:
PROPHETZ, could you respond please?
ProphetZ:
light has no matter? then why will a laser burn
a hole in you?
eadon-com:
It is energy, energy can interact with matter.
that is why
Isolani:
I don't have a grasp on Einstein either. Reading
Bertrand Russell's the abc's of relativity for
a month now.
RabbitMunch:
PROPHETZ, how you can believe that God started
the big bang while at the same time believe
there was no big bang.
ProphetZ:
God can do anything he wants
FytinFrank:
Einstein's cousin Schlomo, his Aunt Elda, his
Uncle Leonid, Einstein had lots of relatives
RabbitMunch:
You didn't answer my question, PROPHETZ.
ProphetZ:
He can violate the basic laws of physics, not
hot rocks or strings
eadon-com:
God is a fantasy. you can fantasise that a hero
can do anything.
RabbitMunch:
was there or was there not a big bang?
eadon-com:
Sure he can PROPHETZ. Sweet dreams now!
RabbitMunch:
PROPHETZ, do you or do you not believe there
was a big bang?
ProphetZ:
I wasn't there, there seems to be evidence of
a big expansion, but I am not sure if there
ever was a 1st implosion or just scattering
eadon-com:
What caused the scattering PROPHETZ?
ProphetZ:
its not possible as explained so far
Isolani:
RA that's the speed limit in OUR universe.
ProphetZ:
Einstein wasn't a big believer in infinity,
but math suggests it, and he did change some
of his views as he got older
eadon-com:
The universe might be infinite. The big bang
and our Universe may be a part of a larger Multiverse,
which may be infinite.
ProphetZ:
well hot babe on AOL to talk to, see you guys
later
Isolani:
Yeah! Like our minds, only less dull.
Isolani:
PROPHETZ needs to masturbate now :)
FytinFrank:
medicate, you mean
TheologeanX:
What about us unworthy Christians - what would
you like to chat about?
eadon-com:
[an atheist] What have you got?
eadon-com:
If I was God I would want atheists to be with
me in heaven
eadon-com:
Some silly sod wrote me an email, it goes thus...
"If one does not believe, one perishes--goes
to hell and burns forever and ever" Why shouldn't
GOD go to such extremes to save the world and
people he supposedly created? If you created
something so extreme, wouldn't you do all you
could do save it?
BishopHavoc:
eadon-com are you universalist!!!
eadon-com:
Do you mean do I believe in the salvation of
souls that sort of thing? The answer is no.
I'm not an atheist because a god/gods haven't
been disproved I see no evidence for a god either
and see much evidence against creationism etc.
Isolani:
BishopHavoc believes in "ultimate reconciliation,"
a notion rarely put forth here on this channel.
eadon-com:
Yes, I was going to ask. What, exactly is that
when it's at home?
BishopHavoc:
or anywhere!!?
eadon-com:
indeed.
BishopHavoc:
if no creation then, this universe formed by
chance??!!
PerrinAybara:
correct
eadon-com:
One thing is for sure, the answer is probably
not pleasing to humans :)
BishopHavoc:
odds of that ? Statistically speaking of course
eadon-com:
There are ideas in physics that it might not
be so improbable, for example...
PerrinAybara:
if you have eternity any event with a tiny chance,
however small, will occur
BishopHavoc:
where did eternity start?
PerrinAybara:
that's a kindergarten question
BishopHavoc:
but a good one!
eadon-com:
If there are a multitude of Universes, each
with differing laws of physics, then one or
more of those universes might be accommodating
to life
WarPriest:
that's not physics, really, that's imagination
eadon-com:
The same question, BishopHavoc, applies whether
you believe in a god or not
PerrinAybara:
no, eternity doesn't 'start'; a circle has no
end either
eadon-com:
again there is an idea in physics that the initial
state was one of ultimate simplicity without
space or time
eadon-com:
and then space and time were spawned off from
an instability
eadon-com:
The point is this: Quantum Mechanics is weird
PerrinAybara:
it is! :)
WarPriest:
that's pretty much fantasy too
PerrinAybara:
untrue, WarPriest
eadon-com:
so there is no reason to believe that the answer
to the question of where the universe came from
is also weird. After all, why should it make
sense to humans?
TheologeanX:
The initial state of what? An instability in
what?
PerrinAybara:
just because it's hard to grasp, it's not a
fairytale
WarPriest:
the many worlds theory states that it cannot
be confirmed...that is not physics, that is
fantasy
eadon-com:
I wasn't talking about the many worlds theory
eadon-com:
I was talking about universes spawning from
one another
BishopHavoc:
scientists have to explain start of eternity,
aside from god ..impossible
WarPriest:
that is the many worlds theory
eadon-com:
No
WarPriest:
yes it is
eadon-com:
The many worlds theory is one idea of QM
TheologeanX:
Sounds metaphysical
PerrinAybara:
BishopHavoc, I suggest you try a 'my first steps
into math and science' book
eadon-com:
The idea of a Multiverse, which is what I am
talking about, is that Universes can physically
give rise to new universes. For example, when
a black hole is created, a new universe is born
WarPriest:
eadon, the many worlds theory is where the universe
branches off to create two new universes whenever
a quantum choice occurs
eadon-com:
Yes I know
BishopHavoc:
e=mc ^ 2 yes, yes
eadon-com:
I wasn't referring to Everett's Many Worlds
theorem
WarPriest:
well, I don't see how this is any better...just
less worlds created
TheologeanX:
How would you test either theory?
eadon-com:
Einstein's relativity implies that new universes
are created when black holes form
WarPriest:
hell no eadon
eadon-com:
So this could explain our universe being good
for life: if lots of universes are out there,
some may have compatible physics. And of course
we are in one of those :)
WarPriest:
ok, eadon, what popular science book does this
come from?
eadon-com:
This is the theory of Andre Linde as it happens.
Heard of him? A cosmologist and a genius, unlike
WarPriest
WarPriest:
nope. He's full of shit
eadon-com:
Full of shit does not an intelligent refutation
make :)
WarPriest:
this "Einstein implies new universes are created
when black holes form"
eadon-com:
The new universe would have dimensions at right
angles to all the ones of the universe that
created the black hole
WarPriest:
eadon, go to a local university and tell the
relativity theorist that Einstein's theory implies
that new universes are created when black holes
form. Then tell me how loud they laugh
TheologeanX:
I am still curious about what kind of experiment
would lend confirmation to these speculations.
eadon-com:
Are the astrophysicists wrong and evil right?
WarPriest:
you haven't given any proof of your position,
so no refutation is needed
TheologeanX:
Where is the physical evidence?
eadon-com:
It is known, WarPriest, that inside a black
hole the math of relativity means that the dimensions
inside a black hole are different to the outside.
does WarPriest not agree?
RabbitMunch:
eadon, you are incorrect. Black holes only contain
other universes if they are primordial and if
they will always continue to exist
eadon-com:
Not so, I believe RabbitMunch :)
RabbitMunch:
I'm quite sure of this...
eadon-com:
A black hole could have a fleeting existence
in this universe and spawn of a new big bang
"somewhere" else
RabbitMunch:
All black holes we know were creating by some
collapsing object, and do not contain the "parallel
universe" and white hole.
eadon-com:
Even a microscopic black hole that is here for
nano-seconds can create a new universe like
ours,
eadon-com:
No! not a white hole in this universe, rather
a big bang creating a new universe
TheologeanX:
What observational evidence is there?
eadon-com:
It is theory at the moment TheologeanX, the
equations of relativity, which, experimentally,
have been tested to an incredible accuracy by
observing neutron star radiation
TheologeanX:
What part of relativity implies more than one
universe?
RabbitMunch:
I haven't heard of black holes creating universes,
but it's hard to keep up with all the theories
that appear in popular media: light travelling
faster than light, backwards time travel possible,
etc..
TheologeanX:
It is speculation.
eadon-com:
Well, much of this is speculation
eadon-com:
the mathematics suggests these things
TheologeanX:
No way known to apply the scientific method
to confirm the existence of other universes.
eadon-com:
but I might be wrong. I am throwing around ideas...
to show that the christians should be careful
when saying that the universe came here by chance.
RabbitMunch:
Ok, what specifically do you mean by other universe?
BishopHavoc:
wait other universes is a contradiction in terms!?
RabbitMunch:
typically, this refers to another realm that
result from a coordinate transformation at a
singularity.
eadon-com:
Well, our universe may not be the UNIVERSE,
but a small part of a larger complex out of
our site, called the Multiverse
RabbitMunch:
This realm cannot communicate with us, nor us
with it.
BishopHavoc:
what coordinates?
eadon-com:
Our universe is a 4D bubble, there may be other
bubbles out there
RabbitMunch:
Going from standard spherical coord. to some
inverted system. There is nothing that says
you can't have a Multiverse.. however, black
holes linking to other universes can only happen
under the condition I mentioned.
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