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Isolani:
"A long time ago, eadon, you told me that lethargy
was the only thing standing between all people
and the logical conclusion of suicide."
eadon-com:
Good evening gentlemen!
eadon-com:
peace!
Madpole:
WAR eadon! BOOK WAR!
Madpole:
Name calling!
WickedMerlin:
evening eadon, but this is war!
eadon-com:
War? Oh goody!!!
eadon-com:
<dons coat of mythril chainmail>
eadon-com:
<grabs sword of truth>
eadon-com:
<jumps on Satan's Stallion>
eadon-com:
<and gallops into battle screaming like a
freaking Celt with blue tippex smeared on cheeks>
Isolani:
eadon, after donning martial garb and grabbing
sword, tucks kids in for the night.
eadon-com:
Well, even warriors have to do the dirty work
Madpole:
A long story - do not where to start... it was
a lovely day... no... Basically I was dumped
by my parents every year at his farm. Electricity
is all they had - no water in the house, no
TV, no cookers, no nothing... it was BRILLIANT.
Madpole:
My GrandMa died and You could see that his life
was over... he struggled for few months and
died.. there was no purpose for him to be "here"
anymore
Madpole:
she did not commit suicide - just died because
of lack of interest in life.. very interesting
and frustrating experience that was.
Madpole:
and I forgot to add: "Very spiritual experience"
it was too - I actually had to spend a night
with my dead GrandMa and carry her 2 miles to
the cemetery..
Madpole:
that was very "refreshing and mind opening too"
dlh:
woah mad, that is incredible
Madpole:
it was nice but tough dlh
eadon-com:
Was she dead madpole?
dlh:
I imagine mad!
Madpole:
it did shape me to cope with death better though...
my own death and my parents' death and yours
too
Isolani:
MadPole there is a terrific short-story there.
eadon-com:
Did you bury her yourself?
dlh:
it is like the opening scene from the movie
Dr. Zhivago
Madpole:
She was dead - She weighted about 100 kg - then
she's gone down to about 30 because she had
cancer...
eadon-com:
Easy to carry then. Every cloud has a silver
lining
dlh:
that is sad madpole
Madpole:
when we carried her - like they say - the dead
body is heavy - there were 6 of us - and we
could barely cope
Isolani:
She ate a lot?
eadon-com:
if she was 30kg, that is only 5 kg each. Were
you all drunk?
DeaconNihilo:
there are people who have tried to do accurate
measurements of a persons weight to see if something
leaves when they die :)
Isolani:
She worked in the circus?
Madpole:
that was freaky - we knew we do not carry anything
- but it was like carrying lead - and spending
the whole night with her was even better
Isolani:
Candles during the "vigil"?
Madpole:
ghosts probably were there and the whole family
were s***** scared
dlh:
mad, I saw my dad breathe his last breath, he
died of cancer too :(
Madpole:
that was even worse then dlh!
Isolani:
Death is very religious.
Madpole:
or "better!
Madpole:
Death is very SPIRITUAL Isolani if I may correct
You for a change!
Dudge:
how long ago, dlh? :(
dlh:
about 12 years ago Dudge
Madpole:
You are lucky man dlh - I know it does not sound
right
dlh:
lung cancer got my dad, he was a three pack
a day marlboro man
Dudge:
A few years before my grandmother also died
of cancer...
Isolani:
In Therevada Buddhism there is a special "meditation
on death." I don't advise it if you've been
melancholic.
Madpole:
but I know what I am talking about
Dudge:
lung cancer also
eadon-com:
that must be a nasty end. The ciggie companies
have a lot to answer for
DeaconNihilo:
I'll probably die of lung cancer. I'll need
insurance for that or maybe have one of the
guys at work do it
eadon-com:
Be careful DeaconNihilo, if he cut your hair
then he might not give you the exam you were
expecting :)
DeaconNihilo:
hehe. Us guys should not be ashamed of these
basic hygiene issues :)
Isolani:
My dad died of colon cancer, and I saw him breathe
his last too.
DeaconNihilo:
this one guy at work cut my hair maybe I can
ask him to administer a prostate exam. I'll
ask him tonight when I see him at a party
Madpole:
Myself and 2 other friends tried to read the
"Tibetan Book on Living and Dying" - We all
got through "living" bit immediately and got
excited about the book
Madpole:
since then none of us found time to continue..
that was 3 years ago...
dlh:
one of those Tibetan books mad talks about throwing
a dudes liver into the air for eagles to eat
doesn't it?
Madpole:
never got that far dlh! ;-)
Madpole:
but why not ? Body is only a body... Dead body
does not represent the person anymore
Isolani:
The Tibetan idea is to expiate death from the
list of sins. Our Western notion is to think
of death as faux pas, a bad thing.
eadon-com:
true madpole, yet this point is scary
Madpole:
I wish I get raped while I am alive - raping
my dead body is not going to do me any favours
so to speak
dlh:
mad!
Madpole:
No it is not eadon
Madpole:
You have to accept your death before You can
start living your life
DeaconNihilo:
I still don't want to be cremated!
eadon-com:
why is that?
DeaconNihilo:
I want my body preserved
eadon-com:
in ice DeaconNihilo, cryogenically, you mean
DeaconNihilo:
no nothing fancy. Just a coffin under the ground
Madpole:
this is where "western" methodologies go wrong
eadon-com:
Ice up the brain for future generations to thaw
out, dust off and put on a new body?
Madpole:
I accepted my death one year ago - I am not
even sure if I am alive... and since then my
life improved
Dudge:
Would tend to agree about a body... don't care
what happens to mine much when I'm gone
Isolani:
Fear of death limits life.
Isolani:
Fear casts out Love.
dlh:
there is the story of one happy Buddhist monk,
he literally saw to it that he died laughing,
amazing eh?
eadon-com:
2 firemen did that recently dlh. They breathed
laughing gas to get high, but there was no oxygen
in the canisters. They suffocated. But I bet
they died laughing.
Madpole:
My theory is that I died in December 1999 -
and what is happening now is just my consciousness
still clinging to so called "reality" - You
have been warned! I might be a ghost
eadon-com:
I think it is right to fear death. I have a
huge hang up about it. Losing the only thing
we have is pretty scary
DeaconNihilo:
its sad when a part of you dies
Isolani:
Fear is debilitating, no matter what the object
of that fear is.
Madpole:
No eadon - Death is a reward
Dudge:
The big question, eadon, is: What then? Entirely
ceasing to be conscious... yes, a scary concept
WickedMerlin:
Well, only if you know you have lost it, eadon
Madpole:
Death is God's message saying "Thank You - You
achieved your goal -= You can retire from this
bollox now!"
Isolani:
"That country whose bourne no traveller returns."
- Shakespeare on death
eadon-com:
Yes Dudge, that freaks me out. I admit it!
Dudge:
Me too. Sometimes.
DeaconNihilo:
I'm sitting here listening and I'm not the least
phased
eadon-com:
yes WickedMerlin that is the paradox, when you
are dead, you are not afraid. you are not aware,
so it is nothing to be scared of.
DeaconNihilo:
if I die right now that would be fine
Dudge:
bye
eadon-com:
bye
Isolani:
bye
Madpole:
ISOLANI ! as per usual - You hit the nail on
the head regarding fear! Are You a carpenter
or something ? ;-)
DeaconNihilo:
I'm more worried as to how it would hurt my
family
Isolani:
Make sure you have a will DeaconNihilo.
DeaconNihilo:
I have promises to keep and miles to go before
I sleep
eadon-com:
I bet you this: if you were strapped in a chair
and about to be given a lethal injection of
pain killers, you would be rather on the nervous
side, upon my giddy aunt, you would
DeaconNihilo:
I'd be saying, "you call this a medical procedure?!
Isolani:
Of course eadon.
Madpole:
I disagree eadon!
Isolani:
I don't disagree eadon.
Madpole:
When You are dead You are AWARE! that is what
frightens people
eadon-com:
madpole is developing a bit of a death wish
at the moment :(
DeaconNihilo:
yes I think so
Madpole:
why would people be frightened of death if they
were not aware of it then ?
Isolani:
MadPole, so you've been dead and you know that
you remain aware?
eadon-com:
Madpole when that brain dies you are no longer
aware, my friend. I would bet on that if I were
you, that you will survive death. The stakes
are too high :)
eadon-com:
would = wouldn't. oops
DeaconNihilo:
you are only dead at certain points in time
in others you live forever
eadon-com:
erm, I think not DeaconNihilo :) to live forever
would be difficult in a universe that is expanding
indefinitely
DeaconNihilo:
I'm just saying a moment in time lasts forever
Dudge:
Entropy of the universe increases and all...yeah,
maybe, eadon.
DeaconNihilo:
at that future point in time
eadon-com:
in this universe, unless we find a way of changing
physics, all life will expire one day. That's
an oxymoron there DeaconNihilo :)
DeaconNihilo:
who is to say when we are dead we are bound
by time
WickedMerlin:
You are not DeaconNihilo, but that's your lore
eadon-com:
we would not be aware of time I suppose, so
time for us would lose significance. Who remembers
the first 15,000,000,000 of this universes life?
Madpole:
You are talking Rubbish as per usual eadon
eadon-com:
Thanks madpole :)
Madpole:
and You know it - do not tease me tonite ;-)
Isolani:
Mad, easy on the attacks please.
eadon-com:
But madpole, you love it really
WickedMerlin:
Rubbish - the language spoken in barren wastelands
of Rub.
Madpole:
Brain is just a computer... but there is also
You!
eadon-com:
he is only joking Isolani
Madpole:
kool Isolani! I am only joking! COINCIDENCE?
Damn! eadon just said that!
eadon-com:
Rubbish: The currency of the christian. Controversial!
Or rather madpole is being serious, but it is
amusing when he gets angry!
WickedMerlin:
It would have been controversial if you didn't
put controversial at the end, eadon
Isolani:
Programmers [eadon-com and madpole are computer
programmers] have a special way of treating
each other, as well as the universe. To them
the core of truth is digitized, dehumanized
and thought to be capable of human regulation.
Madpole:
I am pulling eadon's spiritual leg and see how
far it can stretch..he scored 3 inches last
time I did it.. I hope to have better results
today...
Isolani:
They interact with each other on promissory
notes of convenience, sharing knowledge and
trade secrets when friendly, and such. It's
a highly-specialized language betwixt them.
eadon-com:
I am doing it now. You Isolani? :)
Madpole:
So eadon - what about YOU? Is your brain You?
And when it dies You die ? I feel sorry for
You. Because it will happen if You believe so.
Bye Bye eadon - I will miss You
Isolani:
I do not set my eyes on things far beyond me.
Madpole:
Isolani is a cheat - he knows much more than
he pretends to know! ;-)
Isolani:
Ouiji Board cursor will move if you believe
too Madpole
WickedMerlin:
I believe so and yes, Madpole I want that to
happen.
Madpole:
You can WickedMerlin. It is easy
eadon-com:
The brain is a big organ. So is the liver. The
liver takes in blood and outputs chemicals that
are useful and also outputs waste. The brain
takes information as input and outputs signals
to other parts of the brain and to the nerves.
DeaconNihilo:
actually a simile. you'll notice I said like
Isolani:
But eadon, isn't information at least conveyed
by synapses, electricity?
Madpole:
Bye Bye eadon - I will miss You
DeaconNihilo:
we are like stars burning with energy and that
energy we release stays ours forever. that is
what life is about, for the universe to soak
up our existence and preserve it
WickedMerlin:
that's gobblygock DeaconNihilo.,
eadon-com:
Our essence is not energy, that is an intuitive
mistake made by those who do not understand
modern ideas about the world. The essence of
who we are and what we are lies not in the realm
of energy but in the domain of information.
The brain is about information
DeaconNihilo:
it was a metaphor eadon
Isolani:
And isn't electricity energy?
Isolani:
energy?
Isolani:
And isn't energy "neither created nor destroyed"?
eadon-com:
Yes, true Isolani, energy is needed to process
information, but the point is that this is secondary
to the information its self.
Madpole:
good one Isolani - I give up - please follow
this if You can - I do not want him to disappear.
it is so easy to "stay around" - but he wants
to disintegrate... why ? Maybe he should see
a doctor ?
WickedMerlin:
information is physically "printed" into the
brain, Isolani, Why are you attaching mystical
significance to energy?
eadon-com:
The key to the brain is networks of cells, called
neural networks. They are linked, and do different
things depending on the strengths of the links.
Neural networks can learn. Even better, when
simulated on a computer, a neural network learns.
And this is whether done in software or hardware,
ie silicon neurones. The energy in all these
cases is different, but the ability to learn
is the same
Isolani:
WickedMerlin I truly don't care one way or another.
About the conservation of our personal energies.
Madpole:
eadon - I will be cruel to be kind - You are
saying that You are your brain - I do not want
to talk to your stupid brain - I want to talk
to YOU! Can I get an appointment with your heart
instead ?
eadon-com:
So the information transcends the type of energy
used to process it. we are about information,
not energy
Madpole:
or are You denying your heart existence too
?
Isolani:
I'm just trying to get these two guys to state
their differences better.
eadon-com:
heart is just a muscle as madpole knows :)
Madpole:
and I meant "loving heart" - because You are
one hell of loving guy - you just keep denying
it - why ?
DeaconNihilo:
stab a knife in his heart and see what he says
then :)
DeaconNihilo:
literally or figuratively
eadon-com:
probably ggggghhharrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh! Anyway
I'm glad we are all agreed about life and death!
Death is simply the cessation of processing
of information
DeaconNihilo:
if you pass away eadon-com tomorrow I might
still talk to you :)
eadon-com:
time is perceived in terms of how fast we process
that information, so time, in essence, stops
for us when we die.
Madpole:
I did few times DeaconNihilo - ask eadon!
Madpole:
I stabbed him in the back and he was smiling
and loving - he is a true Jesus and bloody does
not want to admit it. It really gets on my nerves
sometimes. But I can understand why Jesus was
killed now! ;-) Enough is enough!
WickedMerlin:
But you were oversimplifying just now eadon.
Are your feelings towards your kids based on
information processing
eadon-com:
Actually WickedMerlin, love is definitely information
processing. they captured it recently in brain
scans
WickedMerlin:
yes, but life isn't about information processing.
Life isn't about anything. We live and that
is that.
Madpole:
can You imagine being wed to eadon: "Actually
- love is a processing process - let's get ours
stimulation buds going first of all" - can I
be one of those buds please ;-)
Isolani:
A long time ago, eadon, you told me that lethargy
was the only thing standing between all people
and logical conclusion of suicide.
Isolani:
Now that you have kids, do you still hold to
that?
eadon-com:
I was probably playing devils advocate Isolani
Madpole:
I get it!
Isolani:
No it quite made sense in our dialogue/context
at that time.
eadon-com:
did it? Christ, I must have been on downers
that day! We are genetically programmed to be
unsusceptible to suicide. It is very hard to
walk off a cliff
Madpole:
eadon is a new re-incarnation of Jesus called
"Playful all-in-one" Jesus! He is a Saint and
he is a Satan. He pulls peoples' legs off, gets
drunk and have babies... but I did stabbed him
in the back few times.. and he is still talking
to me...
Isolani:
People do it by the hundred every day eadon.
eadon-com:
how many people on the planet Isolani? 6 billion
Isolani:
over 6 billion yes
eadon-com:
70 years in a life, that's about 20,000 days.
eadon-com:
so 6 billion (6,000,000,000) divided by 20,000
days = 300,000
eadon-com:
100's per day is a very small number. 300,000
would have to commit suicide each day to have
a depressing effect on the world population
Isolani:
Point well taken eadon.
Isolani:
Life is a bowl of cherries, etc.
eadon-com:
I would disagree WickedMerlin, I believe that
information processing encapsulates life pretty
well. If there is a key to life then that is
it!
eadon-com:
The meaning of life = processing of information
Isolani:
Information processing, to my green ears, sounds
like just another aspect of the myriad aspects
of the total.
WickedMerlin:
You go through life processing information all
the way, but it's not a core of the existence
as such
Isolani:
Why process it? Why not just enjoy it?
WickedMerlin:
there are lots of other processes running too
eadon
eadon-com:
What is the core of the existence WickedMerlin?
WickedMerlin:
nothing
WickedMerlin:
what you want it to be
Madpole:
the key to life eadon is to live it ... but
You would never understand that - You have 10,496,753
CPU instructions your brain has to finish..
never enough time..
WickedMerlin:
everything
eadon-com:
I don't want it to be anything as such.
eadon-com:
I think that the biggest human fallacy is to
seek a meaning of our existence. why should
there be one?
Isolani:
Well said MadPole. The bloke needs a lesson
'bout messin' with you.
Madpole:
I was aggressing towards eadon but I much rather
be loving towards You if You do not mind
Dudge:
Hi PriestessNova :)
PriestessNova:
hello Dudge!
eadon MadPole and Isolani too :)
Isolani:
PriestessNova! good to see you're back.
eadon-com:
PriestessNova you are the heart that makes this
chat channel such a loving place!
WickedMerlin:
[quotes eadon] eadon-com:
heart is
just a muscle as madpole knows :)
eadon-com:
that was funny, hahahahaha
WickedMerlin:
you are just a muscle, PriestessNova, sorry
PriestessNova:
good to see
you too, WickedMerlin
WickedMerlin:
greetings PriestessNova!
eadon-com:
But I am in love with the ventricles of PriestessNova's
essence And would love to swim through her warm
aorta
Madpole:
Get lost eadon! There is no existence! there
is no life! there is no religion! there is no
love! May I ask You what exactly You are doing
here and who let You in so I can report it to
authorities? ;-)
Isolani:
Brain waves, brain scans, can they write poetry?
Can they dance? Can they succor a loved one
in need of emotional help? Can they tithe? Can
they make a joke?
eadon-com:
I am merely saying that all those things are
aspects of signal processing of bits of information
madpole!
eadon-com:
They sure can, Isolani. Computers are learning
to do all of those things, except the succouring
bit
Isolani:
Oh.
WickedMerlin:
eadon is of course right. But only in a very
narrow sense
Isolani:
The heart IS just a muscle. It's the liver that
motivates our emotions.
eadon-com:
thanks WickedMerlin, <I think>
Isolani:
eadon is narrow in that his field is one row.
WickedMerlin:
well, the facts are correct. But the miracle
of life is also worth a symphony
eadon-com:
Serotonin. The chemical in the brain that makes
us high and happy. Where is the spirit, but
languishing in the folds of a fantastical protein
Isolani:
Prozac and serotonin and long-distance running
and etc., ah, wondered when he get to chemistry.
eadon-com:
A symphony can be played on a CD, with 600,000,000
bytes of information. Music is in essence structured
information
WickedMerlin:
which again is correct, but does not capture
the beauty of the symphony
eadon-com:
so where is the beauty? In the soul of the CD?
Our CD players can read souls? Amazing!
WickedMerlin:
the beauty is in the wholeness and the interaction
with you!
PriestessNova:
sorry guys,
what were we talking about?
Isolani:
Sports PriestessNova. Soccer.
BishopHavoc:
2+2=4
eadon-com:
Christians normally arrive at 5 BishopHavoc.
You should brush up on your bible a bit more
Madpole:
PriestessNova - prove him wrong - do You really
agree that my heart is just a muscle? Did I
not give You loving a warming feelings over
the last few months ? IT IS IMPORTANT!
PriestessNova:
the heart
is more than a muscle. Just like the mind is
more than an organ. The seat of the soul is
supposed to be in the heart.
Madpole:
Phew ! I nearly had a heart attack there but
PriestessNova saved me in the last second! Thank
You PriestessNova!
Isolani:
eadon suggests brushing up on one's Bible.
eadon-com:
to BishopHavoc, he just made a logical statement
and got it right, ie 2+2=4. He should read the
bible again and learn that 2+2=5
WickedMerlin:
or 1+1+1 = 1
eadon-com:
Yes PriestessNova, I am sure that the soul resides
in an organ that consists of 4 chambers convulsed
by muscle fibres designed to move blood
Isolani:
eadon sees but the obtuse version of the abstract
reality.
Madpole:
You misread the book called "Life and how to
live it" eadon. I would go to chapter No. 1
if I were You
WickedMerlin:
technically it is correct but it "demeans" and
hinders the experience of the whole beautiful
(unreligious) miracle
eadon-com:
Sure WickedMerlin, but how do you explain the
existence of the pheromone bulb in our noses,
the sense that can smell pheromones, but is
unconnected to the conscious centers of the
brain, but rather is wired to the centres of
the brain that control muscle movements. This
means that we are attracted to women, but do
not know why
WickedMerlin:
evolution, eadon
PriestessNova:
So what is
it exactly that you find desirable about women
and feel love towards such creatures? from the
clinical description eadon gave back there,
doesn't seem to appealing. hmmm?
WickedMerlin:
I don't disagree with you on the technical level
Madpole:
Cut the wires now eadon! Blue, Red, Greed, Pink..
then...
PriestessNova:
there's got
to be more to it than that. Seriously.
eadon-com:
Sure PriestessNova, but why should the explanation
of love be poetic or appealing to us?
WickedMerlin:
yes and no, PriestessNova there is the sum of
a very complex being consisting of all these
technical details, not necessarily more besides
that
PriestessNova:
it's more
than that, and you know it.
Madpole:
Can I ask You why You married? Was it something
to do with "wires" too ?
eadon-com:
sure, pheromones, evolutionary pressures, subconscious,
etc. Physical attraction exists between all
sexual animals.
Isolani:
I'm sure that explanation turns women on.
WickedMerlin:
is there something more to a rose because we
find it beautiful?
eadon-com:
turns me on Isolani :)
BishopHavoc:
PriestessNova, its a Dark Side meeting, what
are you doing in there?...Bright Side meeting
at 6pm........don't be late :-)
eadon-com:
The point is that love is merely an interaction
of neurones and chemicals in the brain.
WickedMerlin:
which we on an untechnical level don't need
to know, eadon. Or more precisely don't need
to think about
eadon-com:
Love has evolved so that partners stay together
long enough to raise kids, which need a lot
of care and attention
Isolani:
Love, as you define it eadon, is reduced to
an emotion.
eadon-com:
There is an interesting fact about love. People
are attracted to members of the opposite sex
who secrete chemicals from glands in the cheeks
(this is the essence behind eskimo nose rubbing
by the way, they are sniffing these glands)
These glands emit chemicals that we are not
conscious of. But People are attracted only
if the chemicals convey certain information.
In this case the information conveyed is that
their immune systems are mutually very different.
Isolani:
As if eadon. I was not physically attracted
by sight to my wife?
WickedMerlin:
and that was what your proposal sounded like,
eadon?
Isolani:
LOL eadon, you digress too much :)
eadon-com:
This makes sense evolutionary speaking, because
it means that the offspring will get the best
of both parents immune systems. You call it
love, I call it immune system induced subconscious
attraction :)
Isolani:
eadon you embrace an ology that is not dissimilar
to what others embrace in opposite directions
of thought (I would have said "schools of thought"
but they ain't schools).
Isolani:
Denial, eadon, ain't just a river in Egypt.
eadon-com:
Love doesn't demand some supernatural essence
to explain it's pleasure guys, WickedMerlin
knows this and Isolani too, I expect.
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