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Typical quote: "If you ever see your wife go from one room to another with nothing in her hands you should call a doctor" - WickedMerlin

Below is a transcript of channel 103 chat. Channel 103 is a place where religion is discussed, (atheists battle the Christians). (I am eadon-com by the way.)

JGR: eadon has arrived.

eadon-com: Indeedy doody! Hi JGR! hi dudes! I smell blood in the water, is there a religious debate afoot?

Madpole: eadon - I got married to BattleSiren today!

eadon-com: Really madpole? Congratulations

Madpole: yep - we are going to have loads of kids and working out how to do it electronically....

PrayingMattress: madpole if you got married today, why are you here?

WickedMerlin: He got married HERE

WickedMerlin: And BishopHavoc was the minister :)

PrayingMattress: that is a first for ICC and this channel

Madpole: what is ?

BattleSiren: yeah, what is? :)

PrayingMattress: e-marriage

WickedMerlin: well, I'm using here loosely - [the "marriage" took place in the shout chat channel]

eadon-com: Ah congratulations BattleSiren :)

Madpole: Yes - and I want to have loads of [channel] 103 children... and I am SERIOUS

BattleSiren: let's stress the point they will be shout kiddies, not 103 kids

Madpole: BattleSiren!

PrayingMattress: well remember the help atmosphere rules, if you attempt e-sex

eadon-com: wow, how romantic BattleSiren

BattleSiren: hiya eadon-com, great blurbings on your site ;)

eadon-com: Wow! It has been all worthwhile just to hear you say that! :)

BattleSiren: has it?

eadon-com: if anything makes you say nice things to me is not worthwhile then nothing is.

BattleSiren: I'm a very slippery girl ( no pun intended)

eadon-com: I am sure this is because you are smooth as the finest silk BattleSiren

BattleSiren: you are right of course

eadon-com: I know, I usually am when in the company of beauty and intelligence ;)

BattleSiren: :) you must be flying tonight then ;)

eadon-com: I am not normally this sycophantic :)

Madpole: BattleSiren - eadon has got wife and kids BTW - so be pleased by his smooth operator talk but do not get attracted.

eadon-com: Madpole, shhhhh, she might read that

BattleSiren: I won't, plus what was it again? He is young at heart...

Madpole: he is but I am even younger!

BattleSiren: wow, really? Now I'm flabbergasted

Madpole: at heart that is - for I am generally older than him .. but time is relative...

BattleSiren: I thought time was non-existent?

eadon-com: it used to be

Madpole: or even non-existent - brilliant! Yes please!

eadon-com: but time isn't what it was

BattleSiren: time has changed into an entity then? God damn it, no one told me!

Madpole: So BattleSiren (can I call You "BattleSiren"?) how about those kids then? When and where ?

eadon-com: BattleSiren has kids too???

BattleSiren: not yet, but Madpole is mad about making some

Madpole: I would be too embarrassed to ask "how" too

eadon-com: I imagine that those kids would be quite amazing

BishopHavoc: you see mad you are already producing them (kids) right here in this channel

BattleSiren: BishopHavoc!

Madpole: I have to be one better than eadon - he has 2 [baby twins] so we have to make 3 - now like.. or next week the latest...

BattleSiren: we can do three or four in once if you like, sure why not?

eadon-com: I recommend having 2 at a time

BattleSiren: I don't dare think of those sort of things eadon... ;)

WickedMerlin: saves work, eadon?

WickedMerlin: are we talking artificial and handiwork here, eadon?

eadon-com: nope, just a natural disaster, an act of god, if you will :) Twins run in the Mrs' family

eadon-com: Women are very good at doing many things at the same time I understand. They can talk on the phone, earwig on a separate conversation, varnish their nails and wonder what they are going to wear at that party tonight simultaneously

BattleSiren: yes, one should always have a TV suspended from the ceiling or somewhere to keep the woman's mind entertained

eadon-com: TV is not such good entertainment though :(

WickedMerlin: oh they are - simultaneous miracles - that's what womanhood is all about

eadon-com: Indeed WickedMerlin, a curious blessing to us all!

WickedMerlin: If you ever see your wife go from one room to another with nothing in her hands you should call a doctor

BattleSiren: I think TV is excellent entertainment... it reminds me often of just how many more people are dumb than smart (and I'm not saying where I belong... I think... wait... errr..)

eadon-com: I see that BattleSiren loves soap operas, am I right ???

eadon-com: madpole how did thee and she meet and when?

BattleSiren: I despise soaps

eadon-com: Ah, then that shows your wonderful sense of taste BattleSiren

BattleSiren: I'm more the sensitive yet ridiculous teenage high school series addict... reminds me of just how happy I am not to be in my teens anymore

eadon-com: I suspect that in 20 years you will yearn to be a teen again, and recapture the vibrancy and tightness of lost youth

eadon-com: Madpole I spoke to you on the phone this morning and you were a bachelor through and through

Madpole: Yes eadon - it was a flash of light.. ... the God pointed his finger and said "You are a man a wife now" - did not last more than 2 minutes...

eadon-com: Well if that is not working in mysterious ways then I don't' know what is

WickedMerlin: aaaah BattleSiren you are in the transient age

BattleSiren: what is that WickedMerlin

Madpole: we discovered that there is a lot which we have in common.....

WickedMerlin: In 3 years you'll be dying for a second shot at teenaging. Maybe not transient - some other word that looks like it :)

BattleSiren: you mean, in three years I'll be dying to be young... teenaging was not really my forte

Madpole: we are both spiritual losers and recognized it instantly

BattleSiren: yes, that did it really

WickedMerlin: Don't confuse this, BattleSiren. Imaginary teenaging is much better than the real thing. You have money for one thing

eadon-com: Youth is wasted on the young :( [Oscar Wilde]

BattleSiren: ... a confident mind...

BattleSiren: most definitely eadon

Madpole: I will make You young EVERY SINGLE day of your life my Lady - do not listen to those sinners!

BishopHavoc: yes BattleSiren..pay no attention to this brood of vipers!!

WickedMerlin: And this time you can stay out all night without questions

BattleSiren: plus you get to drive a car (no driving in Holland before 18)

eadon-com: That's right madpole, BattleSiren might be a blood sucking vampire who will drain Madpole's life-force to fuel her perpetual youth.

BattleSiren: I will!!!

eadon-com: Madpole you are so lucky to sacrifice yourself to such a vivacious cause!

BattleSiren:

Madpole: I am just a God's Server You know? I hope he will not install [Micro$oft Windows] NT on me though!

BattleSiren: hmmm... something went wrong there... where did all the words go? Come back here!

eadon-com: Ah! lost for words! touching

Madpole: everybody is wise - but some people do not know about it - which is a wise move. My Wife, Brothers and Sisters - I have to leave You now for I am being kidnapped - because I would hate to upset my wife. I will be back later on though... providing I am not abducted by Aliens

BattleSiren: have a safe journey

eadon-com: later madpole and don't forget to say hi to Xarg from me

BattleSiren: I never knew this channel would be so.... heavenly

eadon-com: It is best when hellish, my friend

WickedMerlin: it's a heaven and a haven , BattleSiren

eadon-com: Hell usually happens when the Dark Side Crew are here

WickedMerlin: You are the residing Dark Side Crew , eadon :)

eadon-com: I suspect that BattleSiren might be a possible candidate for such a dubious club as the Dark Side Crew

BattleSiren: possibly... yes yes ... definitely ;)

eadon-com: WickedMerlin is the Dark Site Crew emeritus professor!

eadon-com: You must take the Dark Side Crew questionnaire BattleSiren, if you are willing

BattleSiren: yes, please, give it :))

eadon-com: First question....

BattleSiren: shoot

eadon-com: Are christians a)great b)good c)bad d)evil e)sad

BattleSiren: e

BishopHavoc: a!

BishopHavoc: but only by the blood of the lamb

BattleSiren: ok next question

eadon-com: Is the soul a) the reason we are conscious b) explain why we are alive c) a made up entity to explain stuff before science came along d) a fairy tale nonsensical laughable construct made up to comfort the gullible?

BattleSiren: the soul is a phrase, to describe, not to define ;)

eadon-com: Finally, is sin something that a) should be avoided at all costs b) should be avoided when the vicar has come round for tea, c) something that is naughty but nice d) the best way to have a good time?

BattleSiren: c

Madpole: I love my wife MORE AND MORE

eadon-com: Congratulations for completing the Dark Side Crew questionnaire

Madpole: but I REALLY have to go! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

BattleSiren: ah, spirits have a soul then... therefore... one could (on a bright day) see various spirits (with their souls enclosed) flying to heaven

eadon-com: You scored very highly BattleSiren, stumbling slightly only at the last question, where the correct answer was d), but c) was close

eadon-com: So I declare..... <fanfare of trumpets to a drum roll>!!!!!!!!!!!!

eadon-com: BattleSiren is Dark Side!!!!! welcome aboard, temptress!

BattleSiren: I thought d was too obvious, I went for c (and that mainly due to the fact that I don't have an exact list of what sins are...)

Madpole: My Wife! My soul! My channel! BattleSiren!

Madpole: You have been officially accepted!

BattleSiren: :)))))

eadon-com: Madpole, you have chosen well :)

Madpole: just proves the point! We did not get married for nothing! We KNEW!

eadon-com: BishopHavoc failed miserable to join the Dark side crew, answering a) to the first question

BishopHavoc: B?

eadon-com: Fell at the first hurdle and landed face first in a slurpy cow pat

WickedMerlin: Sorry, BishopHavoc - you should try harder. Much more fun on this side

BishopHavoc: I was destined to fail Dark Side

Madpole: BattleSiren and other Brothels and sisters! Have fun! I will be back! Have to go now!

eadon-com: Bye bye (again!) and say hi to the aliens from me

BattleSiren: bye sweetums ;)

BishopHavoc: bye Madpole.. but time does not exist...so hello and goodbye and hello again

BishopHavoc: btw how's the Dark Side been treating its poor ???

BattleSiren: (sitting in silent ponderance)

BattleSiren: on the dark side, nobody's poor

BishopHavoc: poor = dazed and confused that is

BattleSiren: I'm confused

BishopHavoc: don't b shy give it a try

WickedMerlin: You are BattleSiren and we love you for it!

BattleSiren: oh yes... BattleSiren ... BattleSiren... that DOES ring a bell somehow

eadon-com: BattleSiren, if you are not confused then you are not informed

BattleSiren: I dunno.. lemme have a think on this.

WickedMerlin: I shrink back into the shadows, coming from a long line of puritan ancestors

Evanjellycool: what exactly does "Dark Side" mean?

BattleSiren: I don't know Evanjellycool.... lemme think... (god damn it! where did I leave my brain!)

eadon-com: You have to take the dark side questionnaire (which I just made up half an hour ago) to have a chance of joining the dark side crew, Evanjellycool.

eadon-com: Do you accept the challenge?

eadon-com: ok Evanjellycool, here goes!

eadon-com: Are christians a)great b)good c)bad d)evil e)sad

Evanjellycool: a

eadon-com: ok next question: Is the soul a) the reason we are conscious b) explain why we are alive c) a made up entity to explain stuff before science came along d) a fairy tale nonsensical laughable construct made up to comfort the gullible?

Evanjellycool: a

eadon-com: and finally the last question is.... Is sin something that a) should be avoided at all costs b) should be avoided when the vicar has come round for tea, c) something that is naughty but nice d) the best way to have a good time?

Evanjellycool: a again.

eadon-com: OK <adds up Evanjellycool's dark side score>

eadon-com: You have scored a total of... <drum roollllllllll>

eadon-com: 3/13

eadon-com: I'm afraid that you have to score 10 or more to be a member of the Dark Side Crew.

WickedMerlin: oh dear - Evanjellycool has been blinded by the light

BishopHavoc: congrats Evanjellycool... you've now been registered into heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BattleSiren: Is the Old Testament a)the old version of the new and only true testament, the ultimate revision b)a companion for fuller understanding of the New Testament c)an annoying addendum to the New Testament d)the more gory and hence more exciting part of to idiotic books, bound together under the title "Bible"?

WickedMerlin: d

WickedMerlin: definitely d

BattleSiren: thought so... :))

eadon-com: d

Evanjellycool: b BattleSiren.

BattleSiren: ok, this settles it: both BishopHavoc and Evanjellycool get to join the bright side

eadon-com: the bright side!

Evanjellycool: woo hoo!!

eadon-com: THAT IS GREAT! LOVE IT! The bright side! heheheh

BattleSiren: :)

eadon-com: so ironic

BattleSiren: where all thing are blissfully bright and shiny and silent

BattleSiren: yes, one of my many better features: irony

Evanjellycool: not silent, but okay.

eadon-com: And candyfloss grows on magic mushroom trees

Evanjellycool: now wait just a minute!

BattleSiren: yes?

WickedMerlin: we are waiting

Evanjellycool: I was talking to eadon.

BattleSiren: Evanjellycool 2: Jesus is the reason for the season.

Evanjellycool: yea. So?

BattleSiren: so nothing

eadon-com: You were saying Evanjellycool?

WickedMerlin: This is sooo brilliant

BishopHavoc: I agree with Evanjellycool

Evanjellycool: it is not a fairy tale!

BattleSiren: what is not?

Evanjellycool: the bright side.

eadon-com: I would say that fairy tale fits the bible perfectly, a most apt characterisation of the christian myth

BattleSiren: ok, note this down: heaven is not a tangible place, it is a feeling gotten from believing in Jesus and God and whatnot (quoted loosely from Pope JPII)

BattleSiren: hence ergo and therefore: it is a fairy tale

eadon-com: the bright side is a rummy collection of shiny happy people worshipping gawd!

BattleSiren: also to be deduced from this quote: heaven, gawd and religion are states of mind, a specialist of the genus "fooling one's self"

Evanjellycool: better than negative, pessimistic people like the dark side!

eadon-com: A healthy skepticism of religion is often mistaken as pessimism by those who believe, much like a crack addict might begrudge the non-user his sobriety

BattleSiren: it's so annoying when bright siders don't read up on their stuff

Evanjellycool: I do not stand corrected! Your logic does NOT stand up! Hah!

BattleSiren: explain why it does not stand up

Evanjellycool: I've read the Bible, BattleSiren.

BattleSiren: and? what did you get out of it? was it... entertaining?

Evanjellycool: I don't believe you have thoroughly, though.

Evanjellycool: understanding is what you get from reading the Bible.

BattleSiren: an understanding of what?

Evanjellycool: of how the world works.

BattleSiren: and how DOES the world work, according to the bible

Dudge: [arrives] what're we discussing here?

eadon-com: religion Dudge

Dudge: I'd figured that much...

eadon-com: Please welcome BattleSiren to the Dark Side and Evanjellycool to the Bright Side. BattleSiren coined the phrase "Bright Side" by the way. Quite brilliant

Dudge: Welcome to the channel, Madpole, BattleSiren...:)

BattleSiren: yes, I'm having it patented as we speak

Dudge: trademarked, you mean.

BattleSiren: no, ... err... yes, whatever

eadon-com: Dudge should trademark the word pedant :)

Evanjellycool: there are two realms present: the physical, which we perceive with our senses, and the spiritual, which we perceive through our spirits and souls.

BattleSiren: I do not perceive anything through my soul... does this mean I'm faulty? Can I learn to perceive?

Dudge: I'm not sure if I do or not. What's a soul, anyway?

Evanjellycool: yes. everyone can. just like we learn to perceive with our senses.

BattleSiren: I think I perceived with my senses without anyone teaching me.... no one taught me how to see

Dudge: Everyone who has the capability learns to perceive with whatever senses they have.

eadon-com: funny you should ask that Dudge: Is the soul a) the reason we are conscious b) explain why we are alive c) a made up entity to explain stuff before science came along d) a fairy tale nonsensical laughable construct made up to comfort the gullible?

Dudge: (a) or (b) might be decent definitions.

Evanjellycool: you learned that the tree is called a tree and the rock is called a rock. Without learning, you would not know what these things were or how they work.

BattleSiren: so basically I learned some words going with visions... how does that combine with religion?

FatherBugKiller: I call on all the heretics of this channel to give up their Prot beliefs and come back to the True Church!

Evanjellycool: you learned how to discipline your thoughts. That's exactly how you discipline your spirit.

WickedMerlin: and which of the 300 variants is that, FatherBugKiller?

BattleSiren: now my parents never took me out into a field and said: "Dear, in the middle of a field you can see something we call a "glurbordart"" they never made me believe something was there and named it for me that wasn't there in the first place

FatherBugKiller: all of them, I guess ( Only 300?)

Dudge: What is the "bright side"?

eadon-com: You are either in the Dark Side Crew or the Bright Side Flock Dudge

Evanjellycool: just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it does not exist: atoms for example.

WickedMerlin: you can see atoms, Evanjellycool

Evanjellycool: not with the naked eye.

Dudge: What characteristics does the bright side have as opposed to the dark side? What sort of person is on the bright side?

eadon-com: you can see atoms Evanjellycool, both macroscopically and using electron-scanning microscopes (although not using light in the latter case) So atoms are definitely there

Dudge: You can't see atoms at all, with the naked eye or not...right?

BattleSiren: Is the Old Testament a)the old version of the new and only true testament, the ultimate revision b) a companion for fuller understanding of the New Testament c)an annoying addendum to the New Testament d)the more gory and hence more exciting part of to idiotic books, bound together under the title "Bible"?

Dudge: If I had to pick, I'd say (b).

BattleSiren: Dudge... hmmm... eadon, give him another question

Evanjellycool: only when we gained in tech. did we even take into account they exist at all.

eadon-com: but basically christians are bright side and atheists are dark side.

BattleSiren: Dudge, answer that question :)

Evanjellycool: I'm saying our spirits are not advanced enough to perceive the things of God.

BattleSiren: I wonder how this discussion went in the old days when the Brighties didn't have the "But what about atoms huh? You can't see *those*!" argument yet

Evanjellycool: but they had wind.

WickedMerlin: Evanjellycool are you claiming that Stone Age people with their nature-gods are more advanced than we?

Evanjellycool: no. I'm saying until we discipline our spirits to perceive the things of God, we cannot.

BattleSiren: I have a general dislike towards all things that have to disciplined onto me

Hard-Boiled: have you disciplined your spirits Evanjellycool?

BattleSiren: but the wind is tangible: it can be felt in your hands... plus you wouldn't need your parents telling you you were feeling something

Evanjellycool: the same with God!

Evanjellycool: people have felt the effects of Almighty God, BattleSiren.

BattleSiren: but I haven't... and until god shakes my hand and tells me How are ya sweetie? I will not have his existence forced upon me by brighties

Evanjellycool: His existence is separate from your belief in Him or not.

eadon-com: Dudge - you have to take the Bright/Side Dark/Side questionnaire... First Question: - Are christians a)great b)good c)bad d)evil e)sad?

Dudge: Hmm. Either (f) none of the above, or (g) all of the above.

eadon-com: ok

eadon-com: next question

eadon-com: Is the soul a) the reason we are conscious b) explain why we are alive c) a made up entity to explain stuff before science came along d) a fairty tale nonsensical laughable construct made up to comfort the gullible?

Dudge: Some christians are (a), some are (b), some are (c), some are (d), some are something else...

Dudge: (a) and (b) could be decent definitions, with some more work.

Evanjellycool: whether you like them or not, you are still under their control.

eadon-com: third and final question: Is sin something that a) should be avoided at all costs b) should be avoided when the vicar has come round for tea, c) something that is naughty but nice d) the best way to have a good time?

Dudge: none of the above, I think.

eadon-com: Hmmm.

BattleSiren: [Dudge is] Bright [Side]

WickedMerlin: Dudge is definitely an agnostic :)

eadon-com: OK Dudge, well the only real answer you gave was a or b for the second question, so I declare you Bright-ish Side

BattleSiren: ha! that's what I said too

WickedMerlin: He wouldn't answer any question

eadon-com: ok Dudge is dim side :)

BattleSiren: :))

Dudge: second question was also unclear... was it asking for a definition? Or was it asking for a conclusion about a "soul" from some meaning I should already have in mind?

eadon-com: nice tell about god back there BattleSiren

TyroWarlock: Dudge, you gotta go outside :)

Dudge: (c) and (d) could be decent conclusions, depending on the definition (but would probably need some work).

BattleSiren: don't fret .. you're on the bright side

Dudge: But as definitions, (c) and (d) were quite shitty indeed.

TyroWarlock: its beautiful out.. about 4 inches of snow

Dudge: It's snowing, TyroWarlock? Ah, yes, I guess you would know...:) We only had a half an inch or so, last time I looked outside...

Dudge: but closer to 4 now here too

eadon-com: come on guys don't talk about the bloody weather!

TyroWarlock: exactly :) I walked around for about an hour in the woods. found some deer tracks, and a rabbit hole

BattleSiren: jezus christ! this is the religion channel for god's sake!

Dudge: eadon, BattleSiren... what classification do I get for thinking the questions weren't terribly useful?

TyroWarlock: god made it snow today

eadon-com: Leave the weather to physics

TyroWarlock: lol :)

Dudge: They seemed ambiguous, poorly worded, etc.

WickedMerlin: dim side, Dudge

Dudge: dim light is good. bright lights actually make me tired...

BattleSiren: the "Why Are You Still here" classification sometimes also known as the Nitpickers Side

Dudge: nitpicking? nah, those issues weren't nitpicky, eh? The questions had some serious problems.

up2over1: what kills me is that for everyone who speaks of this christian god there is someone else somewhere else speaking of their god or gods with the same attitude. Like duh isn't it obvious, why can't you get it? And they all think your wrong too. It's laughable

eadon-com: Join the Dark Side, Dudge, you know you want to :)

BattleSiren: oh yes, the next time we shall have a board of directors go over them Dudge, and then have them certified by the Committee on Useful Questions

Dudge: very good

Dudge: or just do a better job yourselves...

Dudge: but a board of directors could be useful, if you are unable to fix 'em yourselves

BattleSiren: ok enough blabber for today... I greet thee eadon, my fellow questioneer

WickedMerlin: I'm in the presence of so much intellectual power here that I wet myself. :)

Dudge: dlh, these guys are accusing me of nitpicking! absurd

eadon-com: We could have a committee for the overseeing of definitions that are useful and definitions that are not useful, in turn regulated by the sensible questions committee

Dudge: Or just have whoever makes up the questions do a decent job of it. (Whichever you think is simplest)

BattleSiren: yes, and then develop an entire system of overseers and sub-committee's... let's try and copy the American red tape system! Yay!

eadon-com: Wow BattleSiren! I think you are on to something! Lets set up a Sensible Questions Taskforce to clear the way for Definitions Filtering Kick-Off meetings

Dudge: Guys, that ain't needed.

Evanjellycool: I find that the majority of people proclaiming themselves to be "open-minded" often are not so "open-minded" when it comes to the expressed opinions of Christians.

BattleSiren: I am very open minded... the minute someone shows themselves to me, I will acknowledge their existence

Dudge: I'll just be the sensible/unambiguous/useful questions dictator. Anything that doesn't pass by me needed to be reworked

WickedMerlin: hereby appointed , Dudge!!

eadon-com: hey dlh! we have a new member of the dark side on our hands! Meet BattleSiren!!!

BattleSiren: greetings and salutations

dlh: nice to meet you BattleSiren!

eadon-com: And BattleSiren coined the phrase "Bright Side"!

dlh: bright side, I like it

eadon-com: And Evanjellycool scored top marks on the brightness end of eadon's dark-side-crew membership questionnaire

Dudge: eadon, the questionnaire is hereby declared invalid by the question dictator.

BattleSiren: err... no

TyroWarlock: Dudge, did you listen to that song "Amorphis - Black Winter Day" now is the perfect time for that :)

Evanjellycool: back to the atom issue, an atom will not jump out and shake your hand, so you have to look a little.

WickedMerlin: Evanjellycool your hand consists of atoms

WickedMerlin: and they shake non-stop so I guess you can say atoms are shaking your hand as we speak

Evanjellycool: yes, but as there are things too small to see under normal circumstances, there are also things too deep and grand to possibly be comprehended by the "natural

eadon-com: sure Evanjellycool, but atoms exist, yes? at least when you observe them anyway

Evanjellycool: yes, eadon, and so does God when you observe Him.

eadon-com: If some things are too deep that doesn't mean they should be ascribed to a god, as an easy way out. If things are too deep for us to understand then that merely tells us about the limitations of our feeble minds!

BattleSiren: the [BattleSiren's] old testament question was pretty solid I thought ;)

Dudge: It could use some work, but maybe the best of the bunch, BattleSiren.

WickedMerlin: it was BattleSiren - beautiful work!!

BattleSiren: why, thank you dear sir :)) (it must be my protestant upbringing shining through Calvinistically)

BattleSiren: Is the Old Testament a) the old version of the new and only true testament, the ultimate revision b) a companion for fuller understanding of the New Testament c) an annoying addendum to the New Testament d) the more gory and hence more exciting part of to idiotic books, bound together under the title "Bible"?

eadon-com: I would definitely say d!

dlh: all of the above BattleSiren

eadon-com: dlh, if you had to pick one, which would it be??

WickedMerlin: oh dear, dlh about to join dim side too?

Dudge: Dlh joining the nitpicker side with me!?

dlh: Dudge knows dlh enjoys picking the nits for sure

Acolyte-99: It's b, and to a point, a as well. This is a cool channel. :)

dlh: pick what eadon?

dlh: Genesis 6 is cool too, where travelling angels have sex with women and create a race of giants

eadon-com: Would Acolyte-99 care to take the Dark Side Questionnaire?

Acolyte-99: Yes, Acolyte-99 would

eadon-com: And dlh too?

eadon-com: Great! here goes! Are christians a)great b)good c)bad d)evil e)sad

BattleSiren: looks on in excitement

dlh: I don't see naive as a choice eadon

Dudge: Shitty question.

eadon-com: ok dlh and Dudge choose not to commit themselves

Dudge: Rejected by the question dictator, eadon.

BattleSiren: naive is included in option e

dlh: ah, e then

eadon-com: Great! here goes! Are christians a)great b)good c)bad d)evil e)naive

eadon-com: yes, that is better, thanks dlh and BattleSiren

BattleSiren: naive/sad

Acolyte-99: everyone is created inherently good.... And as a result of free will, good people do bad things, some more than others. If I had to pick one, I'd go with b.

eadon-com: Great! here goes! Are christians a)great b)good c)bad d)evil e)naive/sad

eadon-com: even better!

eadon-com: dlh has chosen e)

eadon-com: OK on to the next question

BishopHavoc: xtians are good by the blood of the lamb!!

BattleSiren: which lamb?

eadon-com: Is the soul a) the reason we are conscious b) explain why we are alive c) a made up entity to explain stuff before science came along d) a fairy tale nonsensical laughable construct made up to comfort the gullible?

Acolyte-99: But lots of Christians in each category...

KSose: The correct answer is C) 42

BishopHavoc: none of the above

Acolyte-99: 42, of course!

eadon-com: dlh? Acolyte-99?

Dudge: Some are "good," some are not, some are "bad," some are not, some are "naive," some are not.....

dlh: b eadon

eadon-com: Your answers please to the second of the three dark-side-crew questionnaire!

dlh: no, c

WickedMerlin: we have an answer from dlh, Acolyte-99?

BishopHavoc: we are on next question Dudge <BishopHavoc gives Dudge a spanking>

dlh: I like c and d actually

Dudge: Dlh, it's a bad question....doesn't even specify if he wants a definition or a conclusion from some definition we're already supposed to know.

Acolyte-99: a and b... if I have to pick one, b

eadon-com: great! final question... drum roll.....

dlh: well of course Dudge, but remember, this is channel 103 :)

BishopHavoc: none of the above!

KSose: ok, fire ...

eadon-com: Is sin something that a) should be avoided at all costs b) should be avoided when the vicar has come round for tea, c) something that is naughty but nice d) the best way to have a good time?

Dudge: (a) and (b) might be decent definitions

Acolyte-99: a of course.

Acolyte-99: LOL at b. hehehe

eadon-com: dlh?

dlh: I like c with the caveat that it is sometimes naughty and nice

Dudge: Maybe (e) should be avoided when the vicar is having coffee, but not tea.

BishopHavoc: sin should be resisted to the "nth" degree

Acolyte-99: Where n= the degree of temptation

eadon-com: And the results are......

eadon-com: dlh and WickedMerlin are Dark Side Crew!

eadon-com: And Acolyte-99 is Bright-Side Crew!

Acolyte-99: bright-side, huh?

eadon-com: Congratulations to WickedMerlin, dlh and Acolyte-99 for their respective memberships in the Dark-Side Crew and Bright-Side Flock

dlh: lol eadon

Dudge: Somebody's up for some real discussion. :( eadon keeps asking the useless questions...

Acolyte-99: That's objective truth

BattleSiren: this'll become a channel of freaks yet... Brighties... Darkies.... battles... we sound like a science fiction series

dlh: I like the evolution of every project as follows: enthusiasm, discouragement, failure, search for those responsible, blame the innocent, and finally praise the non-participants

eadon-com: I think that there cannot be a god, or he would have revealed himself by now

Acolyte-99: A lot of people would argue that He has, eadon

Evanjellycool: He has. it's historical.

BattleSiren: but it's not a matter of arguing if you're gonna fight wars over it; if people make the stakes that high, definite existence should be established

dlh: talking snakes, funky trees, powerful fruits, demons, witches, fat angel chillen called cherubims, floating dung heaps, talking Mr. Ed donkeys, Talking burning bushes, Unicorns, Holy Ghosts, human flesh as food, drinking human blood, a fake virgin, yep-all in the Bible, worlds greatest TABLOID

eadon-com: Why do you say that Acolyte-99?

Acolyte-99: Because it's true, eadon. A whole lot of people believe He's shown His power, and not one person alive can truly disprove God's existence.

eadon-com: god only reveals himself to the gullible. strange.

WickedMerlin: I agree totally with BattleSiren

dlh: twelve invisible polka dotted elephants have shown themselves to me

eadon-com: So Acolyte-99 are you saying that if people claim that god has shown them their power then we should believe those people?

BattleSiren: for that matter: no