Talkback: Darwin Wars 2

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From:	Dustin Kelley	2001-04-25 02:30:05
Subject:	god
Comment:	I believe all of you that beleive in evolution have got your information from books.The bible is a book and that's what i beleive. The bible has stated more scientific facts than any other book in the world. It has given 100s of prophecies and each one has come true or on its way to. Also it stated many scientific facts before many past scientist discoverd any of them. For example it states the world is round. the rest of the world realized it 2,400 years later. for futer reference thats in Isaiah 40:22. It also states there is a protective sheild around the world (ozone Layer). We only found this out recently compared to the days Befor Christ. Was in Psalm 47:9. Why is Bc And AD acepted as a scientific time referecnce. BC stands for Before Christ, AD stands For After Death(of Jesus). If darwinist dont beleive in god or his son Jesus why do they still use these terms.
From:	JGR	2001-05-14 13:42:12
Subject:	Circle of the Earth
Comment:	Regarding your claim that the bible states that the earth is 'round', you have overlooked dozens of passages that indicate otherwise. I will just quote Dennis McKinsey since he did a good job of adressing the issue. '(a) Isa. 40:22 ('It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth') may imply the earth is round but our illustrious scholars ignore the fact that Isaiah also said earlier in 11:12, 'he...shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.' If the world is round or a globe, how can it have corners? If one is to be interpreted literally why isn't the other? They also conveniently ignore the misstatement found in Matt. 4:8 which says, 'Again, the devil taketh Jesus up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world.' How could any-one see the entire world from the top of a mountain, no matter how high it may be?'-------Dennis McKinsey http://members.aol.com/darrwin2/iss171.html There are many other references in the bible besides these few that McKinsey chose for brevity's sake. To say that the earth is a globe or a sphere is not the same thing, I would note, as saying the earth is a flat object in a circular shape. Determining which one applies in this verse is not possible. Also, the truth is that it takes some effort to sit on a basketball or a bowling ball without tipping over and it is much easier to sit on a chair with a circular seat. This should be noted.-------------Also, I find it interesting that those who wish to use this verse as a a 'proof' that the Bible is scientifically solid would purposelly ignore or forget the dozens of scriptures that indicate that the earth is in the shape of a square and is flat. They use these verses se
From:	JGR	2001-05-14 13:44:22
Subject:	Circle of the Earth Continued
Comment:	They use these verses selectively and without an honest pattern of interpretation or objectivity. They seem to choose literalism only when it fits their predetermined theology or purpose and symbolic interpretation when it seems to contradict their determined end. A good example of the illogic shown here would be a teacher who asked her class how many of them believed in God. Out of 56 students, only one of them raised his hand in affirmation. The teacher then concluded that her class was a theistic bunch! The logical error is obvious. The example I just used is analogous only because the Bible isn't just a book written by one author. It is 56 books written by many different authors over hundreds of years. If you were to assume that ONE of these authors believed the earth to be in a circular shape then you certainly couldn't just extend that belief to the whole group. This is the illogic you encounter though with fundamentalist literalist believers. I would also like to bring two more points to bear. One is that the book of Isaiah is considered to be two seperate books by Bible scholars by two different authors. The second half, of which chapter 40 is contained, is considered to be a LATER addition. The other point is context and translation. I will quote Adrian Swindler's article on 'The Flat-Earth Belief of Bible Writers' at http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1990/1/1flat90.html.--------------------'Fundamentalists use Isaiah 40:22 to argue that Earth's rotundity was known to the writer: 'It is he (God) that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.' They misunderstand the first half of the verse, which is clarified by the placement of 'God
From:	JGR	2001-05-14 13:45:28
Subject:	Circle of the Earth continued yet again
Comment:	They misunderstand the first half of the verse, which is clarified by the placement of 'God's throne' in the NAB graphic, and they avoid the second half. The NAB gives us a proper translation of the verse: 'He sits enthroned above the vault (dome) of the earth.... He stretches out the heavens like a veil, spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.' See the graphic illustrations again and check the Hebrew concept of firmament as explained in Eerdmans and other reliable Bible dictionaries.' It should also be noted in conclusion, that the earth is not technically a circle or perfectly round. Surely God could have been more exact. Peace, Love, and the sword of logic...JGR
From:	XxDoubleHelixX	2002-07-03 23:53:55
Subject:	Heh, you bit** slap them JGR.
Comment:	Molecular Biologists think that what made the close quarters exchange of chemicals so feesable would be the beginings of a oilly protective layer surrounding the outside, not nesecarily a full fledged membrane but a makeshit sort. With the chemicals(yea, im too tired to fricken list 'em) this provides the medium for combination to occur. In 1980's a Richard Hardison of Glendale College wrote a computer program which resembled the very primitive cells. 'as an analogy, consider the 13-letter sequence 'TOBEORNOTTOBE.' Those hypothetical million monkeys, each pecking out one phrase a second, could take as long as 78,800 years to find among 26 to the 13th sequences of that length.' Theres a creationist sort of argument... Now to the program. 'Now with the sequence 'TOBEORNOTTOBE' the computer would randomly put down letters and the program would preseve the letters that fit the right spots. Recreating the phrase took 90 seconds... Now, reciting the entire Hamlet play it took the program only 4 and a half days to recreate it.' And for all you creationist swines that some how think thats stupid I have only profane things to call you. But this represents a primitive cell perfectly due to the closeness of all the chemicals that sparked the first RNA strand, but thats another chapter.
From:	XxDoubleHelixX	2002-07-04 00:34:52
Subject:	Ah what the hay i'll talk some more.
Comment:	Now about the, everything having a purpose. Lets look at the flagellum, it helps propell bacterium, it has severly complex parts that would only seem to the stupid people(creationists) heh, that this can only be created by an 'invisdable man is the dimension called heaven:(' Bull crap, come to find out, when they genetical 'knocked out' a bunch of the parts that people thought had to be there, but it still worked. Boy, I would sure think your god it really board if hes just making extras on the flagellum... Continuing on, Kenneth R. Miller of Brown University has found that the flagellum is almost exactly like the injector of the Yersinia pestis or bubonic plague becterium. Now what the F*uc* you getting at XxDoubleHelixX? Well, new research on how variations can occur in enviroments has provent to be bountiful. Now people i doubt you know an extensive ammount about heat shock proteins....course you might have talked about them. Oh well, these proteins are produced under stressful conditions such as radiation, starvation, and dehydration. Now when the fly is under these stresses a significant ammount it is found to mutate the fly ranging from misshapen eyes, stubby wings, deformed legs etc. This gives us the impression that maybe if the two copies are trying to help the proteins fold some are not getting the help they need, or if a fly is missing one of the copies then even more sever mutations can occur. We can call this 'snap' mutations. Of course these can be LETHAL mutations or BENEFICIAL mutations. Continued....
From:	Helix	2002-07-04 00:36:03
Subject:	the thing above continued
Comment:	In conclusion, the research of Heat shock proteins will go on and more will be found that have helped the selection move along. Also the flagellum could of been just like the cytotoxic injector or visa versa. We are finding the way evolution works, not as an intelligence but as everyones HELIX responding to the harsh world.
From:	Helix	2002-07-04 00:45:32
Subject:	Last thing then I'll stop heh.
Comment:	Now the archaea, primitive cellular life, it stays in harsh temperatures under consistant stress. What if it has some primitive forms of heat shock proteins that could of spawned Eukaryotic structures such as advanced cytoskeletal forms etc. Now im not saying this just happened then BAM its our cells, this would of been done in leaps and small steps, during this ones would be dying and living otherwise known as selection. Course now we polute all this waters and they could still be or not be evolving. Lets remember creationists that it is easier for a unicellular organizem to develope and stay constant. No, I don't know exactly what happened to our ancestors and why they are not here like the archaea. I'll let someone bash ya down about that.
From:	GOD	2003-09-01 16:56:10
Subject:	ME
Comment:	10 COMMANDMENTS FROM ME:- 1. STOP ARGUING 2. BE NICE TO DARWIN 3. MOST OF YOU WILL BE TURNED INTO MONKEYS AFTER YOUR DEATH 4. BE VERY VERY NICE TO MONKEYS. 5. MANY MONKEYS ARE CLOSELY RELATED TO YOU. 6. YOUR MOTHER IS A MONKEY. 7. BE NICE TO YOUR MOTHER. 8. BUY AS MANY BANANA'S AS POSSIBLE 9. YOU WILL BE NEEDING THEM. 10. I WILL BE LETTING YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS RULE SHORTLY. PS ANY SPELLIONG MISTAKES ARE MOT REALLY MOISTAKES AT ALL. GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKED. iF YOU DISGAREE TAKE A LOOK AT RULE 3. tHANKYOU. GOD.
From:	denny	2003-11-05 10:36:47
Subject:	Evolution
Comment:	For all of you who don’t believe in evolution please tell how come babies are born with different color eyes, hair, grow up to be anywhere from 5 foot to 7 foot tall and some with 3 legs if that is not evolution in progress then what is it.
From:	John	2004-08-01 09:31:58
Subject:	.
Comment:	I think to many people are using religion instead of science in these matters.