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The Ice-cream Virgin


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Typical quote: "dlh, I BELIEVE in that ice cream apparition of the Virgin. She was REAL and you cynically debunked Her. You should be ashamed of yourself. " - TheVicar

Below is a transcript of channel 103 chat. Channel 103 is a place where religion is discussed, (atheists battle the Christians).

LaMort: Batman just partied with Polaks on the weekend, but he was too sober to enjoy it... :(

Madpole: how can You stay sober with Pollacks - tell me the secret! I am DESPERATE! They always get me drunk - on SPIRIT-ual subjects!

LaMort: you can't....Batman is just...challenged...that's all....

Batman: I'm challenged? wuh uh.

LaMort: LaMort now realizes that Batman is actually here.....giggle....

Batman: I just got here. :) I see my name and a discussion on sobriety...

LaMort: what did you sense me thinking of you? I didn't realize I could send thoughts that strongly....is usually just mild.....he he

Batman: I wasn't going to log on, but some unseen hand clicked the "Connect" button.

dlh: Batman, you have no free will dude, face it! LOL

LaMort: hmm, the hand, eh???? (thinking) Batman!!!! stop that!!!!

eadon-com: I choose not to have free will, I got married :(

Madpole: Spiritual experience again! I got disconnected for Spiritual reasons - I hope I have not missed anything!

Batman: hah

LaMort: aww, come on, we're not that much of a mind/will sucking parasitic bunch....... :)

Madpole: Finger ? In god's hand ? Do we have one hand going here ?

dlh: your finger is in gods hand?

Madpole: no - we are god's fingers! ;-)

LaMort: it's too hot to follow this conversation, especially with dlh adding to it.....lol....

dlh: cool [dlh thinks about what that could be like----] Well, personally, I believe god shot man the bird in the garden of Eden

LaMort: no, dlh, I think that's where women lost out big time....lol.....freakin' snakes....

dlh: true LaMort, women are characterized by all the pain they would have from then on

eadon-com: I am that serpent, LaMort. Taste my forbidden fruit!

Madpole: oh yes - apples!

eadon-com: taste my forbidden apple LaMort

Batman: oh my.

LaMort: well, if it had of been me back then you would be partying with that dumb ass Adam outside the garden.....lol....no offense to my fellow christians.....

LaMort: yeah right eadon-com, that's how this alllllll got started.... :)

eadon-com: all part of the service :)

Madpole: I thought snakes were connected with bananas - not apples...

Madpole: apple is European Invention - no ?

Madpole: that's what we catholics were brought up with in Poland anyway!

Dudge: LadyGodiva is going to bring herself as my gift for my 18th birthday party, she says

dlh: I like the version of the golden rule that says do others before they do it to you! LOL

dlh: eadon, have you read the ice cream virgin of Guadalupe story?

eadon-com: I am not acquainted with the ice-cream virgin, should I be, sounds very tasty/tempting

dlh: its a great tabloid story, it is hysterical

dlh: from the pages of the Austin American Statesman dated January 14, 2000 comes a story with a headline entitled "Believers Flock to Virgin in ice cream stain! And now the story line from Houston, Texas!

dlh: They've come from far and wide, clutching their rosaries and their cameras, jostling to peer through the afternoon heat at an improbable shrine. Adoring visitors have dropped wilting roses, a forest of supermarket candles and crude crosses on the cement bed of a southwest Houston apartment complex. In the midst of it all, they say, the Virgin of Guadalupe reveals herself to the faithful. In an amorphous stain of melted ice cream, ecstatic believers swear they can discern the form of the beloved Mexican idol.

dlh: Gloria Castro made her way to the front of the crowd, crossed herself, and burst into tears. "She knows that we need her" the 47 year old Houston resident said in Spanish. "I had to see her", "I had to pray to her. Virginia Hernandez patted Castro's arm. "But look, look how lovely" she murmured. "Even the colors are the same. She wants to bring us closer to God. The ice cream is disintegrating fast, but somebody placed a glass pane over the smear, hemmed the makeshift frame with duct tape in the hopes of preserving the image.

eadon-com: a virgin made of ice-cream, how quaint, I am deeply moved by that miracle dlh. I imagine that if I had beheld the melting of the ice-cream into a virgin, I too would have believed hehehe

Madpole: Virgin Mary saved a lot of Towns in Poland!

Madpole: and SHE came back recently - interestingly it was the priest which denied her existence....

TheVicar: dlh, that IS mean of you. A lot of people have deep faith in the ice cream virgin.

dlh: To unfaithful eyes, the crusty smear looks about as earthshaking as, well, a melted Popsicle. "I just let em in" said apartment manager Maria Cervantes. "If they want to believe it, its fine with me."

Isolani: Faith is the sum of things hoped for. So a blotch of ice-cream...

dlh: Cervantes has spent this week watching a thick stream of Catholics, cameramen and the curios troop past her office. The uproar began Monday, when residents picked out the brilliant robes of the Mexican saint in the sticky swirls at the foot of a soda machine. Word moved faster than a thundercloud.

Isolani: How much does Mrs. Cervantes charge at the door I wonder? I smell a money-maker.

dlh: The apparition has drawn between 500-800 onlookers from as far away as Miami, Seattle, and Canada, Cervantes said. Some stay at the shrine all night, absorbed in meditation. Our Lady of the Guadalupe has been adored for centuries-ever since, believers, say, an olive-skinned Virgin Mary first appeared in Mexico to an Aztec Indian named Juan Diego in December 1531. Clerics say millions of polytheist Indians converted to Catholicism after the apparition.

dlh: Clustered in the Houston courtyard, old women bounce babies on their laps, Fathers shush their children, teens move their lips in silent prayer. A hand-scrawled poster, in Spanish and English, warns worshippers to lower their voices.

dlh: end of story!! And the moral?: If ignorant supplicants can see an image of a virgin in a melted ice cream puddle they can certainly make up a story about a dead dude rising from the dead.

eadon-com: I am convinced. A virgin made of ice-cream is too good to be a myth, too quaint to be a mistake, I am deeply moved by that miracle.

eadon-com: funny story dlh, but now I will have fantasies about ice-cream women Hahahahaha

Isolani: eadon's women will resemble pints of ale I should think :)

eadon-com: A miracle: how about Gillian Anderson who turns into a pint after a good long night?

Isolani: Gillian Anderson is proof that God knows what he's doing.

Isolani: He/she's doing I mean (in case the pronoun police are watching)

Madpole: Trees cry....blood pours out of pictures... we had all this... I am not saying it is not true.... what I am saying is that it had a purpose....

Isolani: When someone is on acid they see things that appear real too.

Madpole: exactly.... nothing to do against religion... but for me religion has to incorporate global-hallucinations... this is only human...arghhhhh is as well! ;-)

TheVicar: There was a female bookkeeper in my office who died 22 years ago. Her adding machine came on operated with no human intervention for about a month before we threw it out. The woman's soul evidently wanted to keep working. Another miracle.

TheVicar: I once participated in a healing service as one of the Deacons who applied hands on to a woman who had been paralyzed in one arm. Her arm COMPLETELY recovered and she remained healthy until she died 6 months later. Another miracle.

eadon-com: great story dlh, but now I have a strange obsession about ice-cream virgins

dlh: like FriarFryUp says, god is in everything

eadon-com: I mean I want to lick ice-cream virgins

Isolani: Oy vey eadon!

eadon-com: correction I want to lick a virginal Gillian Anderson made of ice-cream that turns into a six-pack after a long night :)

TheVicar: dlh, I BELIEVE in that ice cream apparition of the Virgin. She was REAL and you cynically debunked Her. You should be ashamed of yourself.

dlh: TheVicar, you believe some strange things dude

dlh: da stone tabloids brought down from mt. sinus and given to Moses by de alien space ship is all de christians need!"

dlh: [quotes TheVicar] :

TheVicar: I also believe that the Star of Bethlehem was a space ship. How else could it have stayed immobile in the sky over Bethlehem." :

TheVicar: dlh, you don't believe in the stone tables from Mt. Sinai? Your are really an unbeliever....

dlh: or the burnin bush either TheVicar

dlh: now Madonna may have a burnin bush, but that is another subject

eadon-com: that's it! An ice-cream virgin with a burning bush! My fantasies are multiplying out of control. dlh, I knew that listening to your story would be a mistake, I find myself insane

Madpole: Gentle-Men! Why facts ? What facts have to do with REALITY ?

Madpole: FACTS are not important! TRUTH is!

TheVicar: You don't believe in the Burning Bush??? dlh, you are really far gone. Jesus and Moses don't seem to like you, do they.

TheVicar: dlh, do you believe in giving everyone Sundays off or should we all work a SEVEN day week? After all, that Seventh DAY is God's command.

eadon-com: the word DAY does not mean the same in Hebrew as it does in English, so your argument is not particularly enlightening

dlh: it should be a matter between an employer and an employee, with appropriate state by state regulation. What if a federal employer required you to keep the Sabbath TheVicar? think that would be constitutional?

TheVicar: dlh, thank goodness atheists haven't done away with Sabbath Rest yet. There are a lot of workers who would be very upset by that kind of atheist "victory."

Isolani: Where would Christians go after church to enjoy pie and coffee?

TheVicar: dlh, I'm in favor of Fridays off for the Muslim Sabbath, Saturday off for the Jewish Sabbath and Sundays for the Christian Lord's Day. I WOULD like a THREE day RELIGIOUS weekend.

dlh: letting somebody off for 2 days a week has nothing to do with the Sabbath TheVicar

TheVicar: dlh, those weekends off are grounded in Scripture. Commies never gave any days off in their heyday because they said religion was the opiate of the masses. Those masses resented it all the time and now have their Sabbaths back.

dlh: of course, if you demythologize the ten commandments then I have no problem. You could put up the sayings of Buddha and others along with the 10 commandments then it would be okay

dlh: kind of like a smorgasbord of thought. Employment laws TheVicar, state and federal, are totally secular now.

TheVicar: dlh, I'm in favor of EVERY religious doctrine which makes life BETTER for ME. I'll take the best from all faiths. I'd even like to get a month off for Ramadan. I'd support the Muslims if they ever pushed. that.

dlh: what if we put the book of mormon up on the supreme court building? then fundies would be screaming to take it down for sure.

Isolani: If you take all the best from all faiths TheVicar then prepared to have a festival every day of the year.

eadon-com: you will find the muslims loath to support you, TheVicar :)

TheVicar: dlh, I'd like to have Mormon holidays off as well. I have no problem with that either.

eadon-com: The best festivals were pre-Christian, and the sodding christians hijacked them. The fun parts of Christmas are pagan.

Isolani: I can't go on/ I must go on ... Samuel Beckett

dlh: Isolani, you are waiting for godot

Isolani: Godot is bringing the beer



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