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dlh:
eadon, do mainstream scientists have an agreed
definition of "life"?
eadon-com:
the definition is something like this: something
that has a metabolism, ie expends energy and
is potentially capable of reproducing. I am
not an authority on the subject mind you :)
dlh:
would you say that definition rules out the
innate? Lets look at this way--- medical doctors
may tell you the body has the innate ability
to heal itself, definitional, or ontological?
eadon-com:
both I suppose.
dlh:
All of that is not clearly understood yet
eadon-com:
the body self-heals for sure, but when it doesn't
then death is a mistress not far away
dlh:
cellular re-generation: it gets down even into
the strands of the DNA eadon
eadon-com:
not necessarily dlh, for example there is mathematics
to take into account too. The patterns on a
tiger fish are not generated directly by DNA
for example
dlh:
certainly, but lets look at the disease of cancer.
Healthy cells can fight cancerous cells, but,
at some point, healthy cells can break down
and become cancerous themselves
eadon-com:
indeed
dlh:
at what point they break down, and when, possibly
that is DNA determined
eadon-com:
cancer is very close to DNA, as a disease that
is. There are other diseases that are more removed
from DNA and so are harder to explain
dlh:
so, if we say the innate is just the body's
ability to stay healthy, that could be purely
a definitional thing
eadon-com:
are we really talking about the self here? or
the soul? or the consciousness? I don't understand
what is meant by innate here: there are several
meanings
dlh:
as I have said, it does not matter to me what
we call it, only that it is there
eadon-com:
what is there?
WarPriest:
how do you know what is there if you don't define
it?
dlh:
well, for one, the body's ability to heal itself
dlh:
shmack
eadon-com:
Sure, the body can heal itself, so we are innate
in that sense I suppose
dlh:
and, there might be more, maybe not
eadon-com:
but! when the body can't heal it's self then
it is good night baby!
dlh:
true eadon!
eadon-com:
more?
dlh:
I am not an expert on the innate either
eadon-com:
is dlh delving into the idea of life after death
here?
dlh:
I have always heard doctors use the innate in
the context of the body's ability to heal itself
eadon-com:
the body has self-defense mechanisms
eadon-com:
antibodies and so on, but the body is also programmed
to self destruct. On the cellular level cells
die for the good of the body. At the body level
old people die to make way for the young
dlh:
now, does eadon agree that we can "force" our
minds to have different emotions? Here it is
very interesting
eadon-com:
force?
dlh:
you can think depressing thoughts, and your
body will create certain hormones, you can think
positive thoughts, and create other hormones
eadon-com:
yes, complex! Yup! mind over body is very powerful
I think
dlh:
right on eadon!
eadon-com:
freewill aside, if you have positive thoughts
then you will benefit, physically your health
will be better
dlh:
I suppose you can keep it on a material level
though
eadon-com:
why not? The brain is a gland. It releases chemicals
dlh:
but, different "thoughts" can create different
hormones, I am glad you agree with that
eadon-com:
yup!
dlh:
so, I will use my thoughts to create good hormones
then eadon
eadon-com:
science tends to agree that your outlook is
a big factor on your health. And exercise too.
Very important
dlh:
and to me, I don't care if that is spiritual
or physical, as long as I do it, do you get
the point?
eadon-com:
ummmm
eadon-com:
I care. It matters to me: the physical is very
different, philosophically, from the spiritual.
It's a very fascinating question.
dlh:
well, true, but if we know how to create powerful
chemicals through our thoughts, why not see
that we create the right chemicals, rather than
worrying what we "call" the process?
eadon-com:
thoughts are processes in the brain: they are
physical things, like electrons in a computer
chip. Physical processes lead to other physical
processes
dlh:
I think the good chemicals are called, in part,
"endorphins" eadon, which we can create through
the brain no doubt
eadon-com:
endorphins are pleasant all right!
dlh:
and endorphins can be generated in several ways,
exercise, meditation, and ahem, something we
married folks enjoy
eadon-com:
right! Actually married folks might enjoy less
than bachelors :)
dlh:
lol eadon, well, that is beside the point!
eadon-com:
but do continue! I'm married by the way :( hehe
dlh:
now, I have a powerful tool within me to do
powerful things to help my body
eadon-com:
yup, but only for so long.
dlh:
I can generate endorphins purely through meditation
eadon-com:
to a point, yes
dlh:
so, why does it matter what we "call" it?
eadon-com:
but remember this, the brain is never pleased
with self congratulation for long. It wants
more. Otherwise we would always rest on our
laurels, as Marvin Minsky pointed out. But when
we achieve we achieve well, but after a while
the euphoria dies away, drains from us, and
once again... we find ourselves in a state of
dissatisfaction
dlh:
true, more and more meditation is a good thing
no doubt, other things that generate endorphins
too, though endorphins are just an example
dlh:
we have to renew ourselves daily
eadon-com:
Yeah, seratonin is another
dlh:
yes, seratonin
eadon-com:
but the euphoria is not permanent
dlh:
some do this through exercise, some meditation,
some sex, some drugs
eadon-com:
and that is a good thing
eadon-com:
drugs are dodgy because the brain compensates.
you suffer later. Shame that
dlh:
so, if I sit in my study, meditate, create powerful
chemicals that help my body, I do not care what
the process is "called", only that I should
do it to help myself
eadon-com:
yes dlh, but what is happiness really? You will
be happy mediating and exercising, but there
is more
dlh:
certainly eadon
eadon-com:
there is a need to achieve: a non-chemical form
of stimulation
dlh:
shock!
eadon-com:
but it is chemical really, because when you
have a triumph, testosterone is released into
the bloodstream
eadon-com:
as you will know after a victorious legal battle!
dlh:
well, what form of non-chemical stimulation
did you have in mind, especially as a materialist?
eadon-com:
I didn't. I threw you a curve ball :)
dlh:
lol eadon
eadon-com:
you see, as I see it, the problem is this: people
always think they are above the physical, it
is good for the ego
eadon-com:
but when you dispose of that assumption, nature
makes more sense. We are just animals
dlh:
maybe so eadon, but if it is definitional, then
it does not matter to me what we call it
eadon-com:
definitional is one thing, cause is another
dlh:
true too
eadon-com:
what causes these changes to our health? spiritual
or physical?
dlh:
but lets recap for a minute, we agree that we
can think thoughts which create powerful chemicals
that can help or hurt our bodies correct?
eadon-com:
correct
dlh:
okay, now-----------
dlh:
you make an interesting point: is there something
more going on than just chemicals or not?
dlh:
and I say, I don't know, but I am happy that
the process exists, and I will use it to better
myself and my fellow man
dlh:
dlh, still a committed atheist in the classical
sense, has chosen to harness his inner spiritual
strength to do good and to help others
Isolani:
dlh and I should start a church. DLH would take
over and I would take the Tammy Faye role.
dlh:
dlh sees a universal mysticism that cuts across
the divides of religious thinkers
dlh:
no TheologeanX, is it a good book? I am studying
the parallels between Buddhism and christianity
right now. And the parallel of course is the
inner spirit thingy
eadon-com:
parallels meet at infinity, not within dlh
dlh:
interesting eadon
BishopHavoc:
everyone meets at infinity
dlh:
to me work is sacred, hell the founder of Honda
Motor Corporation became a billionaire with
that philosophy
eadon-com:
dlh you realise that all religions are different
dlh:
well, of course eadon
eadon-com:
which myth should we take seriously?
dlh:
but there are similarities too
eadon-com:
the only similarity is this: the human mind
to sincerely believe in a myth
dlh:
take the myth of the inner spiritual self seriously
eadon
Dudge:
eadon, don't take any of the myths as literal
truth. But many of the lessons taught in each
are the same.
eadon-com:
lessons? Bollox! It is all just old and new
age nonsense
Isolani:
The dissimilar qualities often are do to inherited
religious misunderstanding perhaps.
dlh:
eadon, this stuff is thousands of years old
eadon-com:
spiritual this, spiritual that? what crap!
Dudge:
Nobody who makes any sense is going to take
all of the myths, stories, of their religion
as actual historical events.
eadon-com:
Everyone here has gone soft, for christ sake,
where has rationality gone?
dlh:
take for example Moses and the burning bush,
this was probably a mystical experience that
got a little out of hand, that is all
Isolani:
Odd eadon that you are articulate when discussing
science, then full of Rapster words when religion
is the topic.
JGR:
Most religions share the same basic philosophies.
It's goes to show you a lot about the human
psyche in general . I think that's what dlh
is talking about, but not sure.
Isolani:
True JGR, think of Jung and Einstein.
eadon-com:
What is spiritual? It is just a fuzzy warm feeling
that people get when they wish to recount childhood
mystic fairytales
dlh:
yes JGR
dlh:
lol eadon. eadon is a spiritual child, crying
in the darkness for his mother
eadon-com:
this new age spiritual crap is spread by candle
wielding women with flaxen hair. earth mothers
will love you too!
BishopHavoc:
spiritual, is that which is beyond carnal nature
eadon...I believe
eadon-com:
beyond carnal nature? that is called death BishopHavoc
Isolani:
Spiritual is a big economy, New Age stuff. I
see what eadon means.
eadon-com:
why on earth should there be something afterwards?
FaithfulFrigate:
God Loves
You All.....John 3:16 For God so loved the world
that he gave his only begotten Son that who
so ever believeth on him should not perish but
have ever lasting life!!!!
eadon-com:
there was nothing before
TheologeanX:
New Age is Westernized Eastern religion.
eadon-com:
christians: don't say that you lived in heaven
before birth, so why after death?
dlh:
yes, fundamentalism, with its emphasis on doctrines,
leaves much to be desired as it neglects the
human spirit
eadon-com:
new age is just bs. All candles and pyramids
TheologeanX:
Don't forget Crystallography
BishopHavoc:
the nature within us craves carnal things ....but
doing good for others is not part of carnal
nature.. and it can be done in the here and
now IMHO
dlh:
well eadon, lets go beyond labels and look at
the elements of belief
eadon-com:
they believe in anything that is warm and fluffy
like pink clouds in the blue sky of earth mother
love
Isolani:
But eadon, you'd take a mud bath massage from
a New Ageist if she was Lyrica, and you'd agree
to her philosophy too.
KSose:
Can anyone join the New Lesbians? Yes ! We welcome
ANY and ALL people, both male and female, including
Granola(tm) Lesbians, who want to turn their
energy and anger into ACTION. We are not Lesbians
in the deviate sexual way, but in attitude and
approach. Join us !
KSose:
Now am I New Age, or what ?
dlh:
eadon, spend 5 minutes every morning before
work meditating, it is amazing what it can do
for you
TheologeanX:
Nuke baby gay whales for Jesus!
TheologeanX:
oops
TheologeanX:
Nuke unborn gay whales for Jesus!
eadon-com:
I rarely agree with chicks. I might surreptitiously
provide machiavellian poses so that they might
fall under my spell of clandestine bs under
the provision of my undying appreciation of
her romantic ideals
Isolani:
eadon you cad
TheologeanX:
"The Sensuous Dirty Old Man" - Isaac Asimov
eadon-com:
what the New-Agers refuse to admit is this...
REALITY
KSose:
We New Lesbians are gender neutral.
dlh:
eadon, when I say you need to build a strong
inner self I am not espousing crystals, LOL
eadon-com:
what is wrong with my inner self for heaven's
sake?
TheologeanX:
You don't have one.
KSose:
How many times has a woman's attitude helped
you as a male to better cope with adversity
? ... in the past week ..?
dlh:
ah, eadon is on the road to enlightenment, this
is good
Isolani:
We all have inner self. All that we cannot fully
tell another human.
eadon-com:
I refuse to have a strong inner-self at the
expense of being a fine host for a credulous
mind
dlh:
[quotes eadon] eadon-com:
what is wrong
with my inner self for heaven's sake?
eadon-com:
inner self? This is just a term for consciousness
dlh:
call it what you will eadon
KSose:
yes, call it what you will.
dlh:
eadon, do you feel at peace with yourself?
Isolani:
That nugatory 2 a.m. while you're on the pot
self eadon, that's the inner self :)
KSose:
Would you like to become a New Lesbian now,
eadon ?
eadon-com:
so what else is it? the definition of the heart?
blood pumping muscles, that lovely organ of
the ventricles of our inner child?
dlh:
you are literalizing it again eadon, you are
worse than the fundies
eadon-com:
define worse :)
dlh:
eadon, do you feel inward peace?
eadon-com:
of course not
Isolani:
That lonely, impartial, souls, contemplative,
unoccupied self. I'm trying.
dlh:
ah, we are making progress
eadon-com:
would I be here if I had inner peace?
dlh:
lol We are making progress eadon
HammondEggs:
Go to bed, eadon. We hate you.
dlh:
dlh as zen master leads the young grasshoppa
along
HammondEggs:
Well, hate might be a little strong. Maybe it's
more along the lines of.... love?
dlh:
eadon, do you believe it is possible to feel
inner peace?
eadon-com:
it is possible to feel anything dlh
KSose:
But it's an illusion.
dlh:
ah, eadon learns quickly
dlh:
inner peace, so you believe that is a good mental
state to have eadon?
KSose:
yes for a cow.
eadon-com:
I think that the next great leap for society
will be when people learn to realise that consciousness
is not what they think it is
KSose:
not for a badger
dlh:
admittedly, inner peace is difficult to maintain
in this present age
dlh:
ah dlh's zen school is filling with eager students
eadon-com:
inner peace as a good mental state? Not at all!
KSose:
yes, <gets check book out>
HammondEggs:
Dlh, if everybody is happy, does anything else
matter?
dlh:
I don't know HammondEggs
KSose:
it's the right thing to do, eadon.
eadon-com:
I would say that inner peace would be two things:
eadon-com:
it would be counter productive
eadon-com:
and against our evolution
KSose:
you had to say that, eadon... you expose the
obvious fallacy. What kind of fun RU ?
dlh:
inward anger, hate, and rage, can lead to ulcers
and high blood pressure
eadon-com:
sure dlh that might be so, but this question
I put to you , kind and noble sir,
dlh:
what is the question eadon?
eadon-com:
if everybody had inner peace then we would all
be living in grass huts, just like the feminists
would have it
dlh:
lol eadon, gee, tell that to the founder of
Honda Motor Corporation
KSose:
you're ruining it for all us New Age types.
dlh:
eadon, why do you say that?
Isolani:
Grass huts are coool.
BishopHavoc:
I would live in a grass hut
KSose:
I would, too.
KSose:
Really a cool idea.
eadon-com:
there would be no art, no philosophy no science,
just shallow, misconceived, ill-thought-out,
self-delusional, belly-staring , gullible, self-righteous,
insane, unworthy, undeserving self gratifying
self-delusion
Isolani:
Samoan babes are beautiful.
dlh:
that just seems like a fallacy to me eadon,
that somehow an internally peaceful life means
we all live in grass huts, I am sorry, I just
don't follow the logic
TheologeanX:
There are spiritual grass huts, you take him
too literally.
eadon-com:
well the whole point is this... Creativity is
not conducive to peace. peace is a land of no
potential
Isolani:
eadon means, dlh, that the force of social progress
depends upon discontent.
eadon-com:
Isolani put it well
dlh:
well, maybe we confuse the meaning of discontent
eadon-com:
history teaches us that the times of advancement
are times of turmoil
KSose:
there are fewer female Einstein's for the same
reason that there are also fewer female Jack
the Rippers.. get it ..
eadon-com:
look at Switzerland, 500 years of peace and
prosperity and all they gave us was the cuckoo
clock, as Orson Welles pointed out.
BishopHavoc:
advance?...where has that gotten us
TheologeanX:
Chocolate
dlh:
I bet people like Edison and Einstein were very
much at peace with themselves
Isolani:
Discontentment, the desire for aggrandizement,
is the motivation for ... well, track lighting
and cable tv etc?
eadon-com:
not at all dlh, Edison pinched all his ideas
from others
KSose:
they were most certainly not. Einstein beat
his wife
eadon-com:
Einstein was incredibly driven
eadon-com:
they were both troubled souls
JGR:
Einstein beat his wife?
Isolani:
Einstein left his wife for another woman.
dlh:
you can be a driven person and at peace with
yourself
eadon-com:
no!
dlh:
yes!
KSose:
yeah... driven to banality.
dlh:
being at peace with yourself gives you a tremendous
inner power which you can harness to do good
KSose:
...driven to mediocrity
WarPriest:
why are men smarter than women?
HammondEggs:
You're making a strong argument for the opposite,
WarPriest.
eadon-com:
Great things happen when they are caused by
disruption. Mozart was a genius and his fantastical
work was caused under strange circumstances.
Many believe that his prolific creativity was
driven by his depressions. We all need strange
circumstances to make us do strange things.
The everyday grind produces nothing of note
if no passion is there
TheologeanX:
Mozart was groomed by his dad.
dlh:
eadon, lets take an example of what I am talking
about---------
JGR:
The old American Indian wise men used to say...
Suffering is the path to wisdom. I see some
truth in it.
Isolani:
JGR "Suffering produces character." It's in
the Bible someplace.
dlh:
lets suppose a man gets fired from his job and
he gets depressed and goes to a local bar and
he gets drunk as sh**, and leaves, and kills
a family with his car because he is DWI - now
eadon, here in America this happens all the
time
eadon-com:
I can believe it
dlh:
here was a man not at peace with himself, bad
zen if you will
eadon-com:
yes dlh
dlh:
with good zen, he goes home, taps on his inner
spiritual strength, and looks in the want ads
for a new job, see the difference eadon?
eadon-com:
but you commit a common fallacy; you take a
specific and extreme and rare incident and you
use it to justify our generalisation
dlh:
no eadon, as we are ships passing in the night
eadon-com:
What can be done to defeat the demons of necessity?
One way is to become reckless and to abandon
common sense and spurn the actions of the sensible.
It may be better to abandon morals and ethics
to achieve great things than live a virtuous
life and have nothing worthwhile to show for
it.
Isolani:
I wish I was wise.
dlh:
eadon, are you at a bar?
eadon-com:
The cost of creativity is the wages of discomfort
and woe. The most creative times in history
were times of upheaval and angst.
dlh:
so eadon, we should be drunkards and wife beaters
to invent the better mousetrap? ROFL
eadon-com:
There is something lurking in the Universe that
is imponderable and yet so important that we
are all missing it.
TheologeanX:
What great things can be accomplished by abandoning
morals and ethics?
eadon-com:
dlh you are a lawyer, you use arguments that
will fool the majority most of the time
Isolani:
In war we learned about amputation and other
medical neuveau science. So we should have more
wars eh eadon?
dlh:
eadon, I am not trying to fool anybody, I am
trying to reason
eadon-com:
if you look at artistic ability to will find
tragedy. The best work of musical composers
often occurs at time of world war
dlh:
what kind of tragedy eadon?
eadon-com:
or at the time of bereavement. Take Mozart.
His works of genius were ubiquitous but most
moving when he suffered times of extreme stress
and personal bereavement
HammondEggs:
Yes, if we take tragedy and sadness away from
art we get Norman Rockwell.
BishopHavoc:
there has been NO advancement in setting the
captives free from a worldly standpoint
eadon-com:
Lets see what history teaches us.... The most
stable times were of roman occupation. Relatively
little happened over centuries, technology remained
static. Relatively little happened over centuries,
technology remained static
dlh:
eadon, we don't disagree because you are off
point
eadon-com:
only in the dark ages of upheaval and strife
did real innovation and advancement take place
Isolani:
All that eadon is convincing on the surface.
eadon-com:
the only reason we are being creative, technologically
speaking now, is that instability is present
in the current environments of competitions
dlh:
just think about it, if folks had inner peace,
no drunkards, no wife beatings, no wars, no
child abuse, it would be a kingdom of heaven
on earth
dlh:
the kingdom of heaven is within you Luke 17:21
BishopHavoc:
the kingdom of heaven is within you
eadon-com:
if the history of humankind followed that pattern
then where would we be now? We would have been
content to remain in our mud huts living to
an old age of 35
dlh:
who knows eadon? we would have a lot less tragedy
for sure
eadon-com:
sure, but there would be no sodding internet
dlh:
why do you say that eadon?
eadon-com:
there would be no need to innovate, no pressure
to evolve
HammondEggs:
I think there is a difference in what both of
you are calling "at peace".
eadon-com:
women invent nothing at all. Only men invent
things. The reason? Because men are competitive,
they have less sense of inner peace
dlh:
you are saying evolution is incompatible with
a peaceful inner life and I disagree with that
BishopHavoc:
what have you invented eadon?
dlh:
men have heart disease too eadon because of
stress
Isolani:
Didn't a female invent/discover X=rays
KSose:
except Marie Curie.
BishopHavoc:
(other than childbirth)!
dlh:
our bodies have not caught up with our evolution,
so to speak
eadon-com:
all the great artists are men. Men die quicker
than women. That is perfectly compatible with
what I am saying, because we reproduce in our
20's 30's so when we die doesn't matter
TheologeanX:
Wilhelm Roentgen was a New Lesbian
dlh:
it sounds like fascism to me eadon, that is
the kind of stuff Hitler talked about in his
super race
FishOn:
[My wife] could crunch me whenever she wants
KSose:
Out of the 100 Billion women... ONE ... Marie
Curie has excelled.
TheologeanX:
Sophie Germain
eadon-com:
true TheologeanX, an exception
HammondEggs:
It makes sense. Until recently, females were
supposed to stay at home and cook. Not much
opportunity for art when you're busy being subservient
and wiping babies' bottoms.
dlh:
eadon, it is a question of what kind of world
you want
eadon-com:
dlh is getting on a bit. He would probably be
dead by now if it were not for modern technology
dlh:
look at the founder of Honda Motor Corporation,
he practiced zen every day and became a multi-millionaire,
with all kinds of new things in the auto industry
eadon-com:
who invented the technology dlh? Who invented
steam engines? The triumph goes to those who
create, those who are imaginative
HammondEggs:
The Romans didn't create, but they triumphed.
For a while, at least.
dlh:
all I am saying eadon is that you can use the
inner peace within yourself to do good, help
your family, yourself, your nation, and you
can be a hard worker and invent stuff too, I
don't think you have shown that is incorrect
FytinFrank:
A Beaver works hard, has fun, and helps his
family and friends
eadon-com:
inner peace would produce boring apathy
WarPriest:
if you were truly at inner peace I don't see
how you would have the motivation to invent
anything
dlh:
not having inner peace does much harm, as I
have shown
eadon-com:
think about it, why do we feel stress?
dlh:
well, it depends on what you mean by inner peace
eh?
eadon-com:
why did stress evolve and not inner peace? It
is because we evolved to beware of predators:
we had to evolve to be wary
dlh:
eadon, what do you mean by inner peace?
eadon-com:
we are genetically designed to be on edge. If
we are not on edge then what happens? we achieve
nothing, we just watch the world go by
FytinFrank:
On my honor, I will do my best, to do my duty
to God and my country, to obey the Scout law,
to help other people at all times, to keep myself
physically strong, mentally awake and morally
straight
dlh:
what do you mean being on the edge?
eadon-com:
people who are "on edge" [agitated, restless]
are motivated
KSose:
without a certain amount of stress... your muscles
fail and collapse like cooked broccoli
eadon-com:
look at Mozart, he was prolific, would we have
had so many fantastic works to enjoy if Mozart
had inner peace??????? Mozart did not have inner
peace and it is a good thing too
KSose:
we would still have a lot of Yanni's Big Hits.
dlh:
you can motivate yourself positively, or negatively
HammondEggs:
I still think you two are working on different
definitions of "inner peace".
dlh:
very true HammondEggs, I have been trying to
get eadon to see that too, but to no avail
dlh:
how do you know Mozart did not have inner peace
eadon?
HammondEggs:
However, I agree that there is no way Mozart
had inner peace.
eadon-com:
history
HammondEggs:
Or how about Van Gogh?
dlh:
did Mozart beat his wife or drive drunk?
eadon-com: Van
Gogh is another good example, he was utterly
driven and unhappy
KSose:
art and violence go hand in hand.
TheologeanX:
Heironymous Bosch
HammondEggs:
He [Van Gogh] cut off his ear then blew himself
away with a shotgun in a corn field. He didn't
have inner peace. Great art, though.
WarPriest:
major contributions to society take a lot of
effort...if a person is satisfied with their
lot, why would they expend all of this energy
and take all of this time in order to achieve
something? if they aren't satisfied with their
lot, I doubt they have inner peace
dlh:
woah, HammondEggs
eadon-com:
if van Gogh had inner peace then he would not
have been so motivated to learn to paint, let
alone become a master
dlh:
we have different notions of inner peace I believe
eadon-com:
the Chinese have inner peace there are over
1 billion of them and they have invented, between
them... gunpowder
dlh:
well, gunpowder is something no doubt
HammondEggs:
Perhaps, dlh, but it can be easily argued that
regardless of the definition, Van Gogh did not
have inner peace.
eadon-com:
so much for eastern mythology and new age crap,
it is just bullshit
HammondEggs:
Van Gogh was a tortured soul if there ever was
one.
eadon-com:
exactly HammondEggs
KSose:
all these "discoveries" of the Chinese were
not inventions, dlh, they did nothing with the
technologies
dlh:
and, who is to say Van Gogh's inventions were
due to his lack of inner peace?
Dudge:
Dlh, his [Van Gogh's] raging emotions, rather
unpeaceful, were expressed in his work.
HammondEggs:
Have you ever looked at one of his paintings?
Dudge:
His art would have been very diff. w/o it
HammondEggs:
Look at his painting of the corn field just
before he blew himself away. It's a fabulous
painting.
eadon-com:
I visited the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam,
saw 200 of his paintings. his best work was
done in times of turmoil, eg, when he was in
the asylum. it was amazing to see those paintings.
No inner peace in Van Gogh's work
WarPriest:
my own personal experience is that the more
satisfied you are, the worse the artistic output
eadon-com:
well inner peace to you all my friends!
New Age
TyroWarlock:
who are the new age or pagan people in here
eadon-com:
My mother is
TyroWarlock:
which?
eadon-com:
New Age
TyroWarlock:
does she freak you out sometimes?
eadon-com:
she's into crystals, pyramids etc etc. Oh yes,
she is nuts
TyroWarlock:
just like I am :)
eadon-com:
You pronounced that like donald duck madpole
eadon-com:
TyroWarlock is new age?
catdoc:
As long as it's not Enya, eadon. Anything but
that.
TyroWarlock:
not really. Kinda though..
eadon-com:
hear hear catdoc
TyroWarlock:
crystals and pyramids.. has she ever made a
pyramid out of crystals?
eadon-com:
Crikey, I'm not sure, TyroWarlock.
Isolani:
Incense, peppermints, the good ol' days of pop-paganism.
Now it's more complicated.
TyroWarlock:
I have some awesome smelling incense here..
from India. "Nag Champa"
Isolani:
Are all your socks still virgins?
TyroWarlock:
well, if you are stumped about what to get your
mother for her birthday or for Christmas, I
know a book she'd like
eadon-com:
oh? Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time"?
TyroWarlock:
no
TyroWarlock:
:)
eadon-com:
Stephen Weinberg's "The Theory of Quantum Gauge
Fields?
TyroWarlock:
Rays of Truth - Crystals of Light by Dr. Fred
Bell
eadon-com:
Ah, of course!
TyroWarlock:
Don't be surprised if she starts growing hemp
and looks healthier after she reads it :)
FriarFryUp:
only the apostles and prophets are going to
heaven :)
eadon-com:
I might do that TyroWarlock. She could be my
dealer :)
TyroWarlock:
hemp seeds have all 8 essential amino acids,
and a good amount of fats and lipids, and a
lot of protein .. healthiest thing you could
eat
Isolani:
They taste great too, as I have heard.
eadon-com:
I am sold
DeaconNihilo:
I heard hemp seeds make you sterile if you smoke
them
eadon-com:
I am doubly sold
TyroWarlock:
no smoking.. eating
Isolani:
No DeaconNihilo, they just pop.
DeaconNihilo:
heard this from a lot of people. No one liked
to smoke them
eadon-com:
I heard it too. I heard it works by making your
man fat more viscous. Poor critters can't swim
in the treacly glue
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