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BishopHavoc:
Whitman was afraid to look inward
Batman:
Aristotle was afraid to look inward.
dlh:
when we look inward, we can see our strengths
and weaknesses
eadon-com:
looking inward is something that the conscious
mind does?
dlh:
at least eadon, but query whether the subconscious
mind looks inward. Dreams are interesting for
example, do we have any control over our dreams?
eadon-com:
sure, but does dlh know where is subconscious
mind looks?
dlh:
good question eadon
eadon-com:
It can happen dlh, once I had control over a
dream. Once. It happened about 10 years ago):
I was researching the phenomenon of lucid dreams
at the time... [lucid dreaming is the experience
of actually being conscious in your dream. You
are literally as aware in the dream as when
awake.]
dlh:
dlh tries to dream about the Spice Girls, but
to no avail
Batman:
the essence of the dream is subconscious, if
you realise it's a dream, it becomes conscious.
dlh:
one dude would wake up as he had the occasion
and write his dreams down before he went back
to sleep
eadon-com:
I was sleeping and dreaming and I was in a cartoon
dream, strangely, and I was noting that there
was a cartoon dragon
Batman:
there is an easy control for that...form a habit
of asking yourself "Am I dreaming?" soon that
habit will carry over into your subconscious
and you can dream you're with the spice girls.
eadon-com:
and this dragon was breathing fire at me
dlh:
Jung and Freud wrote a lot about the subject
of dreams
Batman:
Jung's work was a lot more intelligent.
BishopHavoc:
spice girls smice girls
dlh:
I have found that if I meditate peacefully before
I go to sleep that my dreams seem less unpleasant
eadon-com:
what struck me as odd was that although I "knew"
that the dragon was a figment of my own brain,
I was unable to anticipate when it would breathe
fire at me, and hence scare me, which it did!
dlh:
ah eadon, so you did not have complete control
eh?
eadon-com:
so, in my dream, I questioned the validity of
the dragon and hence the dream and .... the
most astonishing thing happened
BishopHavoc:
I find that when I pray to God to keep satan
out of my dreams, it works
eadon-com:
... suddenly I became conscious in my dream!
An experience that I haven't had before or in
the 10 years since (sadly)
Batman:
I made a conscious deduction in a dream two
weeks ago, I didn't think deduction was possible
in dreams.
eadon-com:
this is spiritual stuff dlh!
dlh:
quite so eadon!
eadon-com:
Anyway, I became conscious in my dream and it
was the most weird experience I have ever had,
even stranger than seeing my children emerge
from my wife's belly
dlh:
what does the phrase mean, "the mind of the
subconscious"?
eadon-com:
this happened: The dream became real. I could
see everything and smell it, it became real!
Dudge:
You can read about how to achieve a state of
"lucid dreaming."
eadon-com:
it was as real as I see the computer that I
am typing into now
dlh:
but not the dragon dream I take it eadon?
eadon-com:
yes!
Dudge:
It's a branch of psychology
dlh:
eadon saw a real dragon?
eadon-com:
the cartoon dragon dream was as real as the
reality I am seeing now!
eadon-com:
bear with me!
Batman:
there was a bear with you too?
dlh:
what is lucid dreaming Dudge?
Dudge:
Being "aware" that you're dreaming. And thus
able to control the dream.
CryoWolf:
Is eadon on acid?
eadon-com:
anyway, having researched lucid dreams and also
having researched out of body experiences
BishopHavoc:
yes that's how satan works eadon-com...you think
he's a figment of imag. .. but you are unable
to explain why you cant anticipate when he will
burn you
dlh:
so BishopHavoc, do you think satan really shows
up in your dreams?
eadon-com:
I decided to snap out of the absurd cartoon
dream and try to spy on my lovely female flatmate
(I was a student at the time, sharing a flat
with other students) and this happened....
dlh:
so eadon knew at this point he was dreaming
Batman:
I believe that BishopHavoc may be referencing
the subconscious part of the mind Jung referred
to as the Shadow...
BishopHavoc:
yes dlh!... in dreams Satan can call more shots!
eadon-com:
I suddenly was up near my ceiling, but also
aware that my presence was in my head
CryoWolf:
I had a dream the other night (and this is the
truth) that some friends of mine and I were
in a car and they realized that everything was
simply a dream, but I was skeptical.
dlh:
BishopHavoc has blown my mind
eadon-com:
and so I decided to manoeuvre into my female
flatmate's bedroom....
CryoWolf:
they wanted to go around doing all kinds of
things, but I couldn't be sure if it was a dream
or not. So I played it safe. Turned out it was
a dream.
BishopHavoc:
spiritual dreams are spiritual discerned
CryoWolf:
but I've had 3 lucid dreams that I can remember.
eadon-com:
and so it was that I did (though all the time
I was conscious, literally conscious, of being
in my head) and I was in my flatmates bedroom
floating like a spirit in the top corner of
her room
CryoWolf:
I wish I could do it every night.
eadon-com:
me too
Dudge:
One recommended way of learning to realize that
you're dreaming is to ALWAYS have with you during
the day something, the same wristwatch, a number
taped to your hand...somewhere you see it a
lot. Then when you dream, if it's not there,
you may notice the difference from what you're
used to.
dlh:
so eadon, are dreams merely "neurons firing
in the brain"?
eadon-com:
anyway I was in the top corner of her room,
but... I was facing the ceiling
CryoWolf:
that's a good idea, Dudge. And then if it's
not there, you know you're dreaming.
Dudge:
exactly
eadon-com:
I decided to turn around and look at her asleep
in bed, and (I was conscious in my dream, this
was a lucid dream).... I woke up. but the strange
thing is...
dlh:
but how would you know in your dream to look
for it Dudge?
Dudge:
You'll be used to seeing it there, dlh, naturally.
So if what happens in the dream isn't what you're
used to... you'll naturally notice it, if you're
lucky.
CryoWolf:
that's the trick.... at some point in your dream
you have to come to the realization that it's
possible you may be dreaming right now.
dlh:
eadon, I can see why you remembered this dream
eadon-com:
when I woke up the conscious aspect of waking
up was (for the only time in my life) indistinguishable
from the conscious experience of being awake.
I was just as conscious in my lucid dream as
I was awake. This experience of conscious dreaming
only happened to me once.
CryoWolf:
are you sure you weren't on acid, eadon?
dlh:
all of this has given dlh quite a headache
eadon-com:
I read that a researcher of lucid dreams had
only three lucid dreams in his whole life. I
have had one so far.
SnafuFoobar:
I've had a few .... not many. Why not get into
the habit (this will drive you mad but whatever)
of constantly thinking "Am I dreaming? Am I
dreaming?" If this becomes second nature you
will eventually ask it in a dream
dlh:
interesting thought SnafuFoobar
eadon-com:
A lucid dream in unmistakeable.
dlh:
so SnafuFoobar, do you ask yourself that in
your dreams?
SnafuFoobar:
no I don't
CryoWolf:
the beauty of lucid dreaming is exactly the
fact that dreams feel real, so you would be
able to do things you've always wanted to do,
and it feels just as good.
eadon-com:
The feeling is great.
dlh:
I wonder if Alzheimer patients dream, and, if
so, about what
CryoWolf:
they probably do, but can't remember when they
wake up.
BishopHavoc:
I had a lucid dream that this gal sleeping next
to me was biting my neck like a vampire, 4 different
times in 20 mins... would wake up, and there
she was sleeping
eadon-com:
There are devices available to help you "wake
up" in your dreams. I might buy one. They detect
when you have REM sleep and they do Vibrate
your hand or whatever
dlh:
cool eadon, where do you buy them?
CryoWolf:
it's called a vibrator, eadon.
Dudge:
Heard of those too, eadon, but I trusted the
psychologists that weren't trying to sell them
more, eh?
SnafuFoobar:
small electric shocks have also been used in
research
dlh:
are they advertized on the back of the comic
books next to the penis enlargers?
eadon-com:
Well I haven't bought one yet, but I might be
gullible and try one out
SnafuFoobar:
I think you mess with your dreams at peril ....
they keep you sane
eadon-com:
Well I really want another lucid dream.
eadon-com:
Has dlh ever had a lucid dream?
dlh:
I think so eadon
SnafuFoobar:
Did you have the sensation of willing things
to happen in your lucid dream? And then they
did
dlh:
yes SnafuFoobar
eadon-com:
think???? It is not ambiguous. You know
when it is happening
dlh:
seems like mine was about sex too, LOL
dlh:
but sex in my dreams is never as good as sex
in real life, ROFL
SnafuFoobar:
I think I had more lucid dreams as a child
Batman:
I never dream about sex...I wonder if that means
anything.
Dudge:
Next time this hot gal says, "Never! You're
dreaming, buddy" you'll know what she's talking
about. And you'll know to go for it, since in
your dream, she's not even real.
eadon-com:
Actually dlh, when I was a kid I had erotic
dreams in which the ecstasy exceeded any ecstasy
I have ever experienced in waking life!
dlh:
woah eadon, amazing
Batman:
musta been a wet dream..:)
eadon-com:
Strange thing was that the ecstasy was sexual
and yet I would be dreaming about getting on
a train with my cousins or swimming in a race
with my cousins etc. I should shut up now :)
Batman:
lol...always with the cousins?
eadon-com:
Those are the ones that I remember!
dlh:
eadon you need professional help! j/k!
eadon-com:
I do? Thank god I am within the reach of help!
Dudge:
eadon, sure you're not from Kentucky?
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