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eadon-com:
Helen Baxendale is nearly perfect
eadon-com:
PriestessNova, did you see Galaxy Quest?
PriestessNova:
saw it...
loved it. Couldn't stop laughing when I saw
"Free Enterprise"
Isolani:
Helen Baxendale is a piece of God's handiwork,
true.
eadon-com:
I bet god was aroused when he made her
PriestessNova:
when God
made who?
eadon-com:
you, PriestessNova
Isolani:
Nice, eadon.
PriestessNova:
*blushing*
eadon-com:
;-))
Isolani:
The parallel of 'rudder-less ship' is found
in other religions too.
eadon-com:
I would say that the parallel of the rudderless
ship is religion itself
eadon-com:
no logic = no rudder ;)
XtianDoomster:
Jesus came
that we may have everlasting life!
eadon-com:
see what I mean?
Isolani:
There you go again, eadon it's like you have
this dog whistle that calls them all in :)
BishopHavoc:
yes XtianDoomster
eadon-com:
the dog whistle that calls in the rudderless
ships, to mix Isolani's metaphors
Isolani:
<enter palliating Christian platitude here>
BishopHavoc:
who let the dogs out,, urghf arf
treey:
there's a double edged sword, people who don't
believe in religion on the religion channel.
I just read eadon-com's [fi notes online at
ICC] notes and saw where it said spearhead was
banned.
treey:
It just shows you there is a GOD hahahahahahaahahahahah
Isolani:
Spearfish will return as a priest I bet.
eadon-com:
Judas Priest
Frantic:
'Lawyers are like nuclear warheads - they have
theirs, and I have mine. Once you use them they
f*** up everything '
eadon-com:
dlh the compensation, lawsuit culture is killing
America. Seriously
dlh:
that's a bunch of b.s. eadon
eadon-com:
why?
dlh:
there is no empirical evidence for it eadon
eadon-com:
you can't even elect a president these days
[reference to the Bush/Gore election travesty].
Evidence?
Frantic:
open your eyes dlh - it is common sense
dlh:
in fact, it could be argued the threat of a
lawsuit is one of the few things to keep crooked
companies honest
eadon-com:
it also keeps honest people crooked
dlh:
and all of you cry-babies, if you were made
a quadriplegic due to a Firestone blow-out you
would be the first to consult one of the learned
priesthood known as personal injury lawyers
eadon-com:
the only winners.... are the lawyers. It is
happening now in England
Frantic:
and Nader and Gore got a lot of money from trial
lawyers
eadon-com:
if you are injured then sue.
eadon-com:
if you are wronged then sue
dlh:
trial lawyers are destroying America, ROFL
eadon-com:
if your boyfriend wants a blowjob then sue
eadon-com:
it is insane
Frantic:
If the coffee was too hot for you moron - sue
dlh:
large corporations love lawyers, as long as
they are their lawyers
foffo:
I want to sue England! is it possible eadon-com
? lol
dlh:
the coffee case was a lottery phenomenon, I
invite any of you dudes to spill coffee on yourselves
and go to a local jury and ask for millions
eadon-com:
everything, all the actions of all people, are
selfish when all is said and done and all the
gold in the heart is counted and sold
FishOn:
because the brain is fallible, one must accept
that "things" exist which we do not perceive.
eadon-com:
I think that is very profound
Isolani:
I like FishOn's tell. It reminds me of archaeologists
who've said for years this particular extinct
animal is extinct, then some Samoan fisherman
catches one.
FishOn:
is there a limit what can be known? For if the
brain were capable of knowing all, it would
by definition be perfect
eadon-com:
the question is this: we know that some things
are true but we cannot perceive those truths.....
BUT... there are an infinite number of possibilities...
AND an infinite number of possible falsehoods
too.
FishOn:
one might argue that though the brain is fallible,
it has evolved to know "all" because "all" is
finite. Is "all" finite? However, I would squash
anyone who took such a stance
eadon-com:
and infinitely more falsehoods than truths
eadon-com:
therefore we can say that the brain's ability
to discern the truth is infinitely less likely
than the brain's capability to discern false
hoods
FishOn:
of course eadon
FishOn:
whoa....!!!
FishOn:
[quotes eadon] eadon-com:
and infinitely
more falsehoods than truths
FishOn:
how so? So truths are finite?
KSose:
Certainly they are.
FishOn:
whoa whoa whoa
FishOn:
let's examine this
eadon-com:
there fore we should never, ever, trust the
brain as a barometer of truth
KSose:
Truth just means somebody has stopped thinking
FishOn:
let's back up
eadon-com:
sure FishOn
FishOn:
[quotes eadon] eadon-com:
and infinite
number of possible falsehoods too.
eadon-com:
and infinitely more falsehoods than truths
eadon-com:
lets go over it again!
eadon-com:
that is the crux, the nexus of my theorem
FishOn:
how are there "infinitely" more falsehoods than
truths? how many "truths" are there?
Madpole:
eadon does not trust his brain ? I must have
got this wrong! eadon correct me now!
HammondEggs:
I can't blame him. I don't trust eadon's brain.
It will stab you in the back the moment you
turn around, the dirty bugger.
FishOn:
and what does "infinitely /more/" mean...isn't
infinite simply infinite...the phrase "infinitely
more" is a bit odd
HammondEggs:
Not at all, FishOn.
Isolani:
I think that that is not a verifiable statement.
Ayer would have a category for eadon's quantitative/qualitative
use of the word 'infinite' to describe truth
and non-truth.
FishOn:
well explain what "infinitely /more/" means
HammondEggs:
The Natural numbers are infinite. However, there
are infinitely more Real numbers than Natural
numbers.
HammondEggs:
There are levels of infinitude.
Madpole:
I like eadon - I don't like his brain - but
he leaves me no choice....
eadon-com:
Daviator is correct, FishOn is wrong
FishOn:
so there is infinite infinity and finite infinity
KSose:
not as many as there once was.
FishOn:
I'm sure he is...I'm just wondering what the
hell difference it makes
eadon-com:
FishOn, if you study the mathematics of infinity
you will realise that Daviator is correct. Some
infinities are larger than others. For example
there are an infinite number of numbers and
an infinite number of prime numbers, but ironically
that infinity is the same number
FishOn:
since the whole concept of "infinity" comes
from the closed system of mathematics...mathematicians
can make up whatever the hell they want
FishOn:
what number is infinity?
HammondEggs:
The problem is you have to define how you compare
the sizes of infinite sets.
Isolani:
"I do not set my eyes on things far beyond me."
HammondEggs:
Well, infinity is not a number, eadon.
eadon-com:
but if you compare the infinity of counting
numbers with the infinity of real numbers then
there is a huge difference between the two infinities,
as Gorg Cantor proved 130 years ago
eadon-com:
it is a number HammondEggs
HammondEggs:
No, it isn't, eadon. Any mathematics professor
can tell you that.
eadon-com:
aleph0 for integers, aleph1 for reals
Madpole:
eadon is a very HUMBLE MAN and I am PROUD of
him and I have learnt STACKS from this very
spiritual man who denies any spirituality (apart
from beer that is)
HammondEggs:
Yes, eadon. That's what they call the infinities.
They still aren't numbers, however.
eadon-com:
ok maybe I am wrong there :-)
FishOn:
so truths are infinite... but falsehoods are
even more infinite... so yer saying that the
probability of landing on a falsity is greater
than that of a truth. probabilities can only
be applied to sets of fixed amounts. You cannot
apply probabilities to infinities since all
probability is virtually zero for any number
HammondEggs:
Actually, the probability of landing on a truth,
given a set of truths and falsehoods, would
be zero.
Luck
eadon-com:
Behold the witches, they may turn you into a
frog if you're luck is out
BishopHavoc:
not me. Luck has been rendered null and void
eadon-com:
Oh really?
eadon-com:
was luck not null and void once?
BishopHavoc:
well, as "they" say it is better to be lucky
than good
BishopHavoc:
but the intrinsic value of the statement is
"unclear"
eadon-com:
Actually even though I'm not superstitious I
like to imagine there is something in luck
WorshipGodNotChess:
luck is what
happens when opportunity meets preparation.
eadon-com:
I wish I were drinking and singing in Ireland
right now
BishopHavoc:
dubious at best to drink in Ireland with irelanders
eadon-com:
WorshipGodNotChess doesn't think that luck is
also a random event that is bound to favour
some over others?
BishopHavoc:
luck is an illusion I think
WorshipGodNotChess:
some have
more opportunities than others but if preparation
is not in place then nothing is still the result.
BishopHavoc:
well I suppose you could say luck follows prep
eadon-com:
Say I am driving my old banger and I go into
a skid and end up on the other side of the road.
There was nothing coming. That is lucky. No
preparation about it. It happened to me a ten
years back.
BishopHavoc:
me too!
WorshipGodNotChess:
me three
eadon-com:
yeah! incredible! It is probably a common happening.
I have been really lucky driving
BishopHavoc:
nevertheless destiny is not to be denied
wombats:
only way to systematically describe luck is
karmic logic
WorshipGodNotChess:
eadon Try
as I might I can not poke any holes in your
driving analogy. You got me on that one.
BishopHavoc:
luck is for the lucky. Bad fortune is for the
unfortunate I think
WorshipGodNotChess:
Since there
were no cars coming you did not have the opportunity
to hit anyone, would that make it negative luck
by my definition of luck?
eadon-com:
negative luck? interesting concept
eadon-com:
I think it is damned lucky that nothing was
coming.
WorshipGodNotChess:
why couldn't
it be blessed luck?
eadon-com:
blessed luck?
BishopHavoc:
if there was a car coming and you "passed thru
it-supernaturally" would you still call it luck?
WorshipGodNotChess:
as opposed
to damn luck.
eadon-com:
please explain, what is blessed luck and damn
luck?
BishopHavoc:
by the way the Benoni is a "lucky" type of chess
opening
WorshipGodNotChess:
You said
it was damned lucky that nothing was
coming, I just wanted to know why it had to
be damned instead of blessed?
BishopHavoc:
blessed luck is for the curious, and damned
luck is for the inattentive
eadon-com:
Oh I see WorshipGodNotChess!
WorshipGodNotChess:
Did you get
that out of Webster's?
eadon-com:
No I was making it up as I went along
eadon-com:
I absolutely love that: damn luck vs. blessed
luck!
WorshipGodNotChess:
glad I made
your day.
eadon-com:
A damned lucky accident!
WorshipGodNotChess:
non-accident.
eadon-com:
I think that it is very hard to distinguish.
It is lucky that we exist, that is rather lucky
CryoWolf:
Are you implying that if we didn't exist we'd
be somehow unfortunate?
eadon-com:
It does seen to follow from my premise, yes
CryoWolf!
CryoWolf:
I guess unicorns and fairies are very unfortunate,
then. So are gremlins, Martians, goblins, munchkins....
poor bastards!! That means any figment of your
imagination is very unfortunate.
CryoWolf:
I can't say it stands to reason that we are:
lucky" to exist.
eadon-com:
Yes, perhaps in some alternative life humans
are a myth like the pixies are to us!
CryoWolf:
Doubtful, but possible, I guess.
eadon-com:
But you have to say that having the privilege
to actually have this conversation is a bit
jammy [lucky]. If you're parents hadn't met
and got on then you would be but a fleck of
invisibility :)
BishopHavoc:
Xtians unite!!
eadon-com:
unite? what? is there some village idiots convention
going on somewhere?
eadon-com:
WickedMerlin, we were discussing luck
WickedMerlin:
whose luck?
WickedMerlin:
well, can't participate don't believe in luck
at all. Sorry
eadon-com:
is WickedMerlin lucky to be alive, philosophically
speaking?
WickedMerlin:
According to statistics the sperm that created
me had very small probability of fertilizing
the egg, if you like : we are all lucky
BishopHavoc:
we are all winners then....outswimming 1,000,000,000,000
other contestants?
WickedMerlin:
ah but the sentence implies that everyone alive
is lucky so the concept of luck is rendered
meaningless
BishopHavoc:
the dead are not dead, but asleep
eadon-com:
asleep? Sleep is a biological function? If we
are dead there are no biological functions.
eadon-com:
but with death comes finality I feel. The brain
is a computer. the body is composed of cells
that are in turn computers, possibly quantum
computers. when all that structure melts away
after the hand of the grim reaper has closed
our eyelids, then the computation that is life
is blown out like the flame of a candle
BishopHavoc:
do your twins [babies at time of this dialogue]
look or feel like computers, eadon?
eadon-com:
yes :)
BishopHavoc:
hmmm. Then, what is life?
eadon-com:
the babies are designed for survival. Their
chubby cheeks are cute so ensure that the parents
love them and so protect them so that they may
survive. They are programmed to do what it takes
to survive to adulthood and reproduce.
BishopHavoc:
ah now we're getting somewhere. Can computers
love?
BishopHavoc:
010101010100011100
BishopHavoc:
x=love
eadon-com:
why not? Your brain is a digital machine
BishopHavoc:
yes but heart and soul are not
eadon-com:
The heart is a muscle. the soul is a non-entity
BishopHavoc:
many, many philosophers would disagree about
soul
eadon-com:
and nearly all scientists deny there is a need
for one any more
WickedMerlin:
so you don't believe in the soul, eadon?
eadon-com:
No I don't!
WickedMerlin:
I do, but not as an immortal entity
Dudge:
What's a soul, WickedMerlin?
dlh:
think of a soul as your subconscious maybe
WickedMerlin:
the soul is the knowledge of your own being.
The subconscious is only brain functions running
in the background
Dudge:
It's all about the definitions, dlh. Without
that definition it can hardly be debated whether
or not it exists.
dlh:
very true Dudge
Dudge:
Same with WickedMerlin's definition. You define
it in such a way that it must exist.
WickedMerlin:
I know - therefore I believe in it, think I'll
make a good fundie yet? :)
Dudge:
To define it in such a way, then say it exists
isn't saying much.
eadon-com:
WickedMerlin! Actually I have to take issue
with you here, kind Sir!
WickedMerlin:
eadon?
eadon-com:
The subconscious brain is in fact the thing
that decides everything! The subconscious mind
decides what the conscious mind is aware of,
for example, not the other way around
Batman:
hey Parsifal, I met a girl who thinks your book
[Coincidences] is cool, (and thinks *I* am cool
cause I know the author :)), I think I may buy
one for Christmas. :)
Parsifal:
you did Batman?? WHO??
eadon-com:
Girls who buy Parsifal's book are apt to die
of heroin overdoses
Parsifal:
PAULA got it as a gift [Paula
Yates, the rock star groupie and TV presenter
who died of a heroin overdose within three weeks
of receiving Parsifal's book]
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