Philosophy Wars

God, the Devil, Time and Lust.


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Typical quote: "I'm like a jelly-fish. I have no huge cravings, very little impetus, a debilitating lack of will to do anything I don't really want to do. Somehow I get up and go to work. I'm not crushed when I don't get what I want. Because I want about as much as Thoreau wanted when he lived on Walden Pond." - isolani

Below is a transcript of channel 103 chat. Channel 103 is a place where religion is discussed, (atheists battle the Christians). Here the ongoing battle of God vs Satan, time and lust and admired women are analysed.

dlh: A friend of mine sent me an e-mail that had me in stitches, I must share it...

dlh: God populated the earth with broccoli and cauliflower and spinach,

dlh: And the Devil created McDonnell's. And McDonnell's brought forth the 79 cent double cheeseburger. And the Devil said to Man: "You want fries with that?" And Man said: "Super size them." And Man gained 5 pounds.

dlh: And God created the healthful yoghurt, that woman might keep her figure that man found so fair.

dlh: And the Devil brought forth chocolate. And Woman gained 5 pounds.

dlh: And God sent heart healthy vegetables and olive oil with which to cook them.

dlh: And the Devil brought forth chicken fried steak so big it needed its own platter. And Man gained 10 pounds and his bad cholesterol went through

dlh: And God brought forth running shoes and Man resolved to lose those extra pounds.

dlh: And the Devil brought forth cable TV with remote control so Man would not have to toil to change channels between ESPN and ESPN2. And Man gained another 20 pounds.

SnafuFoobar: Actually when I go to the US I am always impressed as to just how w*I*d*e Americans can get their backsides. Other countries have plenty of fat people, but they're normal, round fat. Only in US can the buttocks and thighs be expanded so far laterally. Good Job!

Madpole: How heavy is the MAN by now - I am loosing the track! ;-)

dlh: And God brought forth the potato, a vegetable naturally low in fat and brimming with nutrition. And the Devil peeled off the healthful skin

Isolani: and angels came to earth bringing "kill your television" bumperstickers...

dlh: And the Devil created sour cream dip. And Man clutched his remote control and ate the potato chips swaddled in cholesterol. And Man went into cardiac arrest.

Madpole: I am still not sure what happened after Man was arrested for Cardiac Offences - was he prosecuted ?!!!!

dlh: And God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery. And the Devil and the devil cancelled mans insurance

Parsifal: man's - please

eadon-com: mans'

dlh: God showed Woman how to peel the skin off chicken and cook the, mans'

dlh: nourishing whole grain brown rice.

Isolani: And the devil brought forth pork, an excellent substitute for tofu..

dlh: And the Devil created light beer so Man could poison his body with alcohol while feeling righteous because he had to drink twice as much of the now-insipid brew to get the same buzz. And Man gained another ten

dlh: here is where it really gets funny---

dlh: And God created the life-giving tofu. And Woman ventured forth into the land of Godiva Chocolate and upon returning asked Man: "Do I look fat?"

dlh: And the man told the truth. And Woman went out from the presence of man and dwelt in the land of the divorce lawyer, east of the marriage counsellor.

dlh: And Woman put aside the seeds of the earth and took unto herself comfort food. And God brought forth Weight-watchers. It didn't help.

dlh: And God created exercise machines with easy payments. And man brought forth his Visa at 21 percent.

dlh: And the exercise machine went to dwell in the closet of Nod, east of the polyester leisure suit.

dlh: anyway, there you have it: a few cute and paste problems from html to txt to ICC

iseaid: maybe you should have just given us the address?

dlh: this was an email from a friend of mine, I don't think he credited the source but let me check--

Isolani: dlh you should just let us think you were very very witty

Isolani: which I'm sure you are...

eadon-com: perhaps dlh did make it all up in real time but is too modest to admit it

Madpole: what's REAL TIME though ???

SnafuFoobar: Without any time things would all happen at once! That's why it exists! MadPole tells you: yes.....

Madpole: can time be UNREAL ?!!!

Isolani: Time really is a measurement of distance.

iseaid: depends if you live in the sixties

eadon-com: time is the square root of minus one times distance and moves at the speed of light

iseaid: time is very different from distance, ask any physicist

eadon-com: time is very similar to distance iseaid, if you study Einstein's equations of relativity you will see that time is nearly identical to distance

iseaid: have done and I still maintain a fundamental difference between time and distance

Madpole: but not the same ?!!!

Isolani: The meter is the length travelled by light in a vacuum in one/299 792 458ths of a second.

iseaid: time travels in only one direction

Madpole: "Nearly identical" - I love it! ;-)

SnafuFoobar: I agree completely with iseaid ...... time is fundamentally different to other dimensions

Madpole: how "near" that would be ?!! 5 yards or 3 minutes ?!!! ;-)

iseaid: time-like intervals have very different properties to space-like ones

eadon-com: not true SnafuFoobar, because space cannot be considered without time and vice versa, I think

iseaid: Newton considered space without time...

eadon-com: we are travelling through spacetime at the speed of light. If we are still in distance then we move through time at the speed of light...

Madpole: and how about considering everything together, keeping it separate at the same time ?!! ;-)

Madpole: which probably would require ANOTHER dimension!

eadon-com: but if we are moving through space then we move through time more slowly, time slows down, but our total motion through time AND space is still the speed of light

SnafuFoobar: It *is* true ....... time is totally different ....

iseaid: you tie together space and time into an invariant interval...

SnafuFoobar: I can easily move forwards and backwards in space - returning to the same point. You cannot do that in time.

Madpole: oh yes You can!

eadon-com: you can SnafuFoobar, you just need negative energy to do so

SnafuFoobar: Ah ! slight snag then

Isolani: The ABC of Relativity, by Bertrand Russell. Great reading while having the occasional colonic at the ashram.

Madpole: listen to old song...old picture... and suddenly everything will flood .. And You will find yourself at the point You were when You were listening to it first time...

eadon-com: and it is possible to create negative energy by the way

iseaid: negative energy is not a problem at all

SnafuFoobar: These are just theories ..... and absurdly primitive ones at that ..... don't you see that in 100 years Einstein will seem laughably simplistic

eadon-com: no more than Newton is today

iseaid: SnafuFoobar...if you have studied Einstein's system you might appreciate a beauty which people in a hundred years time will certainly see

SnafuFoobar: of course - but it will not be last word

Madpole: there is no such thing as "last word" Same with "Last Supper" !

iseaid: good link madpole...back on topic

SnafuFoobar: I thought he meant that amusing film

iseaid: heheh

Madpole: I have last supper Every single day!

Madpole: providing that I am not on diet !!! ;-)

Isolani: Two tickets to the last supper were sold on Ebay for big bucks

Madpole: Supper is supposed to be last meal anyway! ;-)

Isolani: last supper, last cigarette, blindfold...

Madpole: some people prefer it in slightly different order! ;-)

Isolani: This chat needs a segue.

Madpole: what's that ?!!!

eadon-com: a smart arse word

Isolani: Smooth shift to another... yes, eadon got it

Madpole: my arse is not smart unfortunately! and it can't talk! ;-)

eadon-com: you need to talk out of it on this channel. It is the only rule

Madpole: doesn't understand words - my arse! ;-)

eadon-com: the admins muffle you if you talk intelligently, I am told

Madpole: ???!!!

Madpole: Sorry - my first appearance here!

Madpole: Confused mind is an open mind - and my mind seems to be in total confusion! Judgement Day it is then!

eadon-com: arrange agent Sculley from the X-Files to appear before me

Isolani: That was my third wish after rubbing a lamp once.

Madpole: I don't know what people see in Sculley but that's perhaps not very religious subject... although it could be made religious very easily... now You got me paranoid!

eadon-com: did the first two wishes invoke agent Sculley also?

Isolani: Uma Thurman

eadon-com: ah yes, I see we have similar tastes in the pleasures of the female temptations

Madpole: Are we talking Goddesses here ?!

eadon-com: we are indeed, Madpole

Madpole: Good - wouldn't like to leave religion behind! ;-)

eadon-com: I will worship at the sacred alters of Uma and Gillian Anderson and sacrifice man fat.

eadon-com: sorry, got all carried away there. ahem. [The hazzards of combining booze with this channel are evident]

iseaid: why fat men?

Madpole: You are forgiven! I hope You have religious experience!

Isolani: If "worship" comes from the Greek meaning "to value" then men worship females. Hence - sex=religion. That's my idea for a tax-exempt lifestyle.

eadon-com: if sex=religion then what is lust? Perhaps lust is just a cult or new age

Madpole: lust is a religion too. there is no difference between lust and addiction! ;-)

Madpole: is "lust" just demanding too much of something - no matter what it is ?!!! Why people associate lust with sex ? I don't see the connection!

FriarFryUp: hmm lust does not always have to be lust for another person. Greed, another form of lust, and idolatry goes with the "don't covet your neighbor's stuff and his wife"

Madpole: exactly my point, no ?!!

FriarFryUp: his daughter, that's another matter :)

eadon-com: can you covet them sometimes FriarFryUp?

Isolani: Buddhists say "grasping" which includes lust and the fear of dying.

Madpole: are people who play poker all day long "lustful" or not ?! I would think so!

FriarFryUp: it's one thing to "want" something, as in need for survival, or taking away a burden. It's another to just "desire" it, although you have no real need for it

FriarFryUp: hmm, not sure about that madpole. good question. but, it is not wrong to have fun. I mean, intense desire. more than just "wanting" or "wishing to have" rather

eadon-com: you know, if your neighbour was Agent Sculley out of X files (a program I do not watch), then it would be very difficult not to covet her

Madpole: but desire is good, energy producing source... it is just what one does with it... no ?!

SnafuFoobar: I'm not afraid of dying - I just don't want to be there when it happens!

Madpole: "intense" means even MORE energy - which one can convert into GOOD causes!

FriarFryUp: depends. An intense hunger/desire for God, sure an intense hunger/desire for material possession, no that is idolatry.

Isolani: I'm like a jelly-fish. I have no huge cravings, very little impetus, a debilitating lack of will to do anything I don't really want to do. Somehow I get up and go to work. I'm not crushed when I don't get what I want. Because I want about as much as Thoreau wanted when he lived on Walden Pond.

eadon-com: good point, but what if you want to be crushed, what then?

Isolani: I really can't think of anything I'd want more than what I have, though what I have is pretty simple.

Madpole: because I am totally opposite - and can confirm that I get crushed every single minute... And that proves good for my soul and Ego too.... the point being: "All roads lead to Rome"....

Madpole: if one lives in Europe that is! ;-)

iseaid: or anywhere in Africa and Asia

eadon-com: where do all roads lead to in the States?

Isolani: The whole US is paved.

Madpole: And the pavements lead to.......

Madpole: I know - I actually been there !

Madpole: there isn't anything which does not exist already!

iseaid: what about a list of all the things that don't exist yet

Isolani: agent Sculley in front of eadon-com

eadon-com: Indeed, that does not exist :(

Madpole: be careful what You say because it might become REALITY! ;-)

eadon-com: you are right MadPole, if it happened I would surely die of pleasure

Madpole: but are You ready for death ?!!! Or just for Scully ?!! ;-)

eadon-com: hard decision to make in an offhand way

Madpole: maybe You should read "Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" before You meet her then? ;-)

eadon-com: I am not an x-files fan, but when I saw the movie, where she is about to kiss that bloke then she gets stung by the bee, she was just amazing in that scene

Madpole: one picture... not movie! ;-) one image....

eadon-com: and when she was covered in that slime, wow! :)

Isolani: Who's that actress in the UK detective show, "No Job For a Lady"? Wow

eadon-com: oh was that Helen Baxindale? She is utterly surreally attractive

Isolani: Helen Baxendale!! wow

eadon-com: that is 3 out of 3 Isolani, we have identical tastes in women

Madpole: I wish I could sympathise with your feelings... maybe You cold send me a picture.. a link..... but then lust would become an agenda again! ;-)

Isolani: eadon you have good taste.

eadon-com: and permit me to congratulate you on yours

Madpole: but don't forget about MEDIA! Beauty is not what You think it is! ;-)

Isolani: You mean Medea? or Media. Not the mythological Medea, but media as in "it's the message"?

Madpole: MEDIA! And the fact that probably You wouldn't even notice most of the women YOU desire if You met them on the Street.

eadon-com: I like the natural look MadPole tells you: most famous women are ugly ! ;-)

eadon-com: too many women look like tarts when they wear makeup, I believe, except natural looking makeup :) But the look must be a composite, a holistic appearance of perfection

Madpole: exactly! Go to Poland or Czech Republic and what You will see will be BEYOND your wildest imaginations! And those women don't even realize their value ... because there are thousands of them! ;-) Humble, normal, no-makeup simple girls who would beat any Actress in beauty contest!

Isolani: Next vacation: Czech Republic, since it happens my favorite beer is brewed there also.

eadon-com: I will join you there. <goes to travel site. books flight>

Isolani: I'm married, so my excursions will remain mere fantasies. But I like to admire. Hope you get lucky.

eadon-com: I am married also, I too am dreaming rather than planning :(

Isolani: Sorry to hear that eadon-com (not really. Please chat fast so this scrolls up before my wife enters the room :)

Madpole: I am off to seek the TRUTH - will tell You what I found ! ;-)

eadon-com: you are off to seek beer!

Madpole: Surely the same thing, innit ?!!! No driving involved... just romantic, spiritual walk..... ;-)

eadon-com: a walkual for spirits




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