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eadon-com:
We expect that our relatives should be normal,
but this is a flawed and highly over-optimistic
expectation. It is more realistic to expect
that our relatives are totally bananas and any
trace of sanity is but a freaky mutation of
the genetic code
anon:
I call my father up for xmas and he tells me
he doesn't want to see anyone this year and
is rambling about some young girl who took all
his money. I just returned his xmas presents,
My GF was shocked by his lunacy and old-heartedness.
She had only heard stories until then....
anon:
Bitter old man who can't accept he's not 25
anymore and wasted his whole life doing nothing.
Venting is good right?
anon:
Funny thing is if you have a nutty parent nothing
shocks you but your significant other is always
outraged and telling you how your family is
from mars or something....
eadon-com:
Since when is that anything new???
catdoc:
"If you have a nutty parent" ....? I don't know
if I've ever met anyone who didn't.
eadon-com:
The inlaws are universally outrageous people
to all
anon:
My GF is constantly telling me how I take my
mothers side JUST BY STAYING OUT OF IT ALL AND
SAYING NOTHING. How does that work? I'm truly
puzzled...
eadon-com:
As I get older I find that pretension and eccentricity
become more and more acceptable, even enjoyable,
and certainly I am less outraged by it. In fact,
as I get older, as madpole says too, normal
people are the people who seem most abhorrent
and weird
Isolani:
O anon your girlfriend is putting you in the
position of responsibility for her own emotions.
Sounds like.
eadon-com:
A beautiful realisation strikes me
eadon-com:
That it is the parents who rebel against their
children and not vice versa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christ! This is utterly true and I have only
just realised it
Isolani:
funny eadon. Unless you're serious. Then I pause
to cogitate deeply.
eadon-com:
The children are the conformists and the parents
are the rebellions, the eccentrics the weirdoes!
I bet that, if not universal, this happens.
A LOT.
Dudge:
I don't get it, eadon.
anon:
The funny thing is Isolani, that I think my
girlfriend over-reacts over my mother but of
course I don't tell her that. That would be
the start of months of living down that statement.
eadon-com:
Nor did I until today Dudge
Isolani:
This is pot. This is an egg. This is a frying
pan. And this is eadon on pot.
Isolani:
Any questions?
Dudge:
Sure. Why do you dismiss eadon's statements
out of hand so quickly?
eadon-com:
Come come, Anon, the mother of the child in
a tug of war over her son's girlfriend? Surely
not :)
Madpole:
I remember being so cleverly cruel to my sister
that I convinced her that she has a button at
the back and if I push it she will cry. I used
to do it all the time - push the button. She
would cry and beg me to push the button back
to stop it. We (or rather she) went through
hell - so we can be really supportive towards
each other now
Isolani:
Who are you addressing Dudge?
Dudge:
You, Isolani :)
Isolani:
Oh, for silliness sake Dudge. You can bet on
that.
Dudge:
eadon's statement seemed kinda silly too. I
was hoping he'd explain it a bit better. (eadon?)
eadon-com:
Thanks Dudge :)
eadon-com:
Well I will try.
Isolani:
Go eadon, show proofs, statistics, site books
about this theory of yours :)
eadon-com:
Teenagers always conform to what ever fashions
teenagers conform too. Teenagers try to cohere
with the fashions that commerce and style magazines
etc dictate to be trendy...
Isolani:
Following eadon now...
eadon-com:
Parents on the other hand have already been
through that conformist phase and are now free
to find themselves, to discover their own personalities
and there comes the revelation:
Isolani:
That they're overweight and boring?
eadon-com:
For the first time the parents are able to be
themselves, to express their inner spirit, if
you will, without the pressures of peer approval,
so what happens?
anon:
eadon, my mother still wears grateful dead t-shirts
and my stepfather still smokes weed...explain
that in your little theory:)
Dudge:
I think the parents are generally conformist
too, eadon, just conforming to something else.
eadon-com:
The parents be themselves, ie, they are not
trendy and they do not seek approval, they do
not even seek to be liked by their surrounding
humans....
Dudge:
Sure they do.
eadon-com:
Indeed they are free to be themselves, which
would be to say that they become INDIVIDUALS.
This would be most disconcerting to the conformist
offspring, who immediately label their parents
as weird and nuts...
eadon-com:
Yet, and here is the twist...
Dudge:
eadon, I think most parents are conformist also,
but conformist to the groups they spend time
in instead of the teens conforming to the groups
they spend time in...
Isolani:
eadon I think you're missing the mark. Nice
try though.
Dudge:
Many parents and youth are "conformist," but
conformist to different things. Some are not.
eadon-com:
The parents don't care what their kids (or anyone
else for that matter) thinks of them anymore.
The parents literally rebel. This juxtaposition
against the be-cool-like-everyone-else conformist
attitude of their kids is my evidence for the
fact that it is the parents that rebel against
their children and NOT vice versa
Dudge:
[quotes eadon] eadon-com:
"The
parents don't care what their kids (or anyone
else for that matter) thinks of them anymore."
<-- I disagree.
eadon-com:
Why Dudge?
Dudge:
eadon, perhaps youth "as a group" conform to
a standard which is rebelling against the standard
set by the older generation.
Isolani:
Yeah, Dudge is right as usual. Of course parents
take care of their social standing and are aware
of what their peers may think of them. Why mow
a lawn then?
Madpole:
I tell You what parents do for eadon will do
the same for you - parents blame their children
for who they are (parents that is)
Dudge:
Because I think parents also conform, eadon.
eadon-com:
Now I am not saying that my theory is universal
Isolani:
I aver that every single younger generation
"rebels" in similar fashion to it's removed
twin, from it's second or third generation.
Give me an ear.
eadon-com:
But what I do say is that on average my theory
does prove that ON AVERAGE parents rebel against
their children more then their children rebel
Madpole:
Parents are the one's spirit worse enemy - I
would have died long time ago if it was not
for my parents - what an absolutely stupid statement
to make - but it is true at the same time
Dudge:
eadon, I don't think so... Perhaps the children
do not rebel *as individuals*, but the standard
they conform to (they are conformist, like the
parents) is a rebellion against the standard
the parents conform to. I know I said that before,
eadon, but maybe you didn't catch it the first
time.
Isolani:
Turgenev. In one of Turngenev one comes upon
the character of a young man who has an ear
ring and long hair and is fashionably liberal.
Is that not somewhat akin to this day? That
was 1880.
anon:
It's was always weird having my friends come
over and look through my parents CD collection
going damn your parents are cool..... "yea but
you don't have to live with them", I'd say
eadon-com:
Well Isolani I would argue that the younger
generation is more interested in conforming
with the fashion of the day than rebelling.
Now the fashion of the day might be a rebellious
one, and this certainly was true, but these
days the fashions are dictated by huge corporations
run by the older generations.
Dudge:
anon, our parents' generation did have better
music than ours... ;(
Madpole:
I know a girl who had a cancer..... parents
were her worst enemy - not cancer - they nearly
killed her - luckily she had enough courage
to overcome it
eadon-com:
true Dudge
Isolani:
anon, I know some people your parents' age with
good music and they aren't cool either. I'd
hate to extrapolate ... One screwy generation?
eadon-com:
pop today is another example of the non-rebellion
of today's kids. They are force-fed manufactured
pop by manufactured bands by senior generations
in the name of recouping their bestowed pocket
money
Dudge:
the beatles, the kinks...all their generation,
anon, not ours :(
Madpole:
Parents hate when their children die before
them - and that just proves that they are not
tuned to religion - they do not believe in God
- age is not important when it comes to death
.. but they hate THEMSELVES blah blah blah..
Dudge:
Sure, eadon, in general. Parents do the same
thing, but with different standards that they
are conforming to.
anon:
True story...I stole my step-fathers stash once
and smoked up and got really sick....there was
def. something else in that crap....what a mockery....having
my stepfather laughing over me going "good stuff
huh lolol"....sheesh,
eadon-com:
I saw a teenage chick justifying commercial
sponsorship of a rock concert [the Glastonbury
festival in England] on television, not realising
how she was being exploited. That is today's
kids for you.
Dudge:
She may be a good actor, eadon, and not care
if she's being "exploited" :)
eadon-com:
sure Dudge, but that is even worse
Dudge:
"Today's kids"? eadon, was your generation any
different?
eadon-com:
Yup
eadon-com:
Less commercial in my day. (and we had better
music (80's) lol)
Dudge:
Adults have been complaining about "today's
youth" throughout history.
Isolani:
Right Dudge.
anon:
Right Dudge.
Dudge:
stick to 60's and 70's eadon, and you'll do
a bit better on that scale :)
eadon-com:
yes Dudge, but this is the first time that the
kids have been slave to commercial corporations
force-feeding them their music and clothes
Isolani:
I recall when the 80's came around feeling lost
in the radio wasteland.
Dudge:
Sure, but eadon, that's not the youth themselves
being commercial... it's the times. Adults today
are just as drawn into the commercial stuff!
eadon-com:
The kids have no wish to rebel against the commercial
organisations, this amazes me. The record industry
now is corporate, the kids are given crap music
by "executives"
Dudge:
Sure, some are. But the fact that that happens
is not due to *anything* about the kids themselves.
It's the times. As I said, adults *today* are
fed just as much commercial crap as kids *today*.
anon:
Napster
Isolani:
Napster is cool. Napster is indeed a big hope!
Hopefully the kids will use mp3 to wrest control
back from the music industry. Napster is their
one big hope
Dudge:
eadon, ya think the music industry immediately
was allowed to take control as soon as the people
in this generation were born? no... It was a
process. A process that was well under way before
anyone in that generation was born.
HammondEggs:
It started, at latest, in the mid seventies.
Anybody heard of Disco? That was pure corporate
garbage.
eadon-com:
Well I am saying that it happened gradually,
but now the record industry is basically 4 colossal
corporations. This is not healthy. They are
not nurturing talent, but investing in boy and
girl bands. These days things have gone to extremes
Dudge:
Fine, eadon.
HammondEggs:
I don't see the difference, eadon.
Dudge:
But I was commenting on your original point.
The commercialisation of today's youth has nothing
to do with the youth themselves (it's happening
to today's adults too!), but rather to do with
factors outside of them.
eadon-com:
I, the adult, am more outraged about the music
industry than the teenagers, HammondEggs and
Dudge!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See my point about the parents
rebelling more than the kids!!!!!!!
Dudge:
eadon, no.
eadon-com:
The kids have all been brainwashed by the record
industry hype and advertising
HammondEggs:
eadon, just because you yell more doesn't mean
you are more outraged.
Dudge:
That really has nothing to do with it at all.
You know I don't listen to the pop garbage they
give us (and you).
Dudge:
exactly, HammondEggs :)
eadon-com:
Well I don't hear HammondEggs and Dudge being
indignant at the dire state of the music industry
Dudge:
eadon, it may not be you as an individual, but
you're generation is just as "brainwashed" and
brainwashed in the exact same manner!
eadon-com:
You guys haven't tasted better. If you feed
people banal and bland crap they will, over
time, come to like it
anon:
Sheesh, if they didn't go commercial in the
80's first then I don't know when they did.
Dudge:
eadon, quit the condescending BS. You know very
well we've tasted better.
HammondEggs:
eadon, I am quite weary of the meager selection.
However, I make do by being careful about my
purchases, and not just accepting anything the
radio offers me. I support Napster wholeheartedly,
not because I agree with it, but because I want
to see the record industry crumble.
Dudge:
I just got finished saying I listen to music
from your time more, didn't I?
eadon-com:
Obviously Dudge you might say that, but it is
me, not you, who is outraged by the way music
has been commercialised
Dudge:
eadon, I don't like it any more than you do...
The only difference is I'm not here shouting
my silly theories about it and being condescending.
This is below you, eadon. You're barely reading
anything I say.
Isolani:
I love this channel.
anon:
amen Isolani
Dudge:
You say we "haven't tasted better" when you
KNOW (or would know if you paid attention to
what I was saying) that I don't like modern
pop any more than you do!
Madpole:
at this time of the night Dudge, You can hardly
blame eadon for that
Dudge:
I very well can blame him for it. ;)
HammondEggs:
eadon's probably sleepy. Let him rant if he
likes.
eadon-com:
well Dudge listen to yourself. You don't like
modern music any more than I do! Think about
it. That is very sad
Dudge:
eadon, I was in this [chat] channel just the
other day complaining about modern Carlos Santana.
I like his older stuff, but the newer (commercialized?)
stuff is nowhere near as good.
Dudge:
I agree with you, almost completely, as far
as the music is concerned.
HammondEggs:
Anybody that old is bound to be worse, Dudge.
eadon-com:
Exactly! Dudge unwittingly proved eadon's point!!!
Modern rubbish is force-fed to the kids. The
kids resort to their parent's music.
Dudge:
What is very sad? The state of modern music?
Dudge:
It ain't that, HammondEggs.
Isolani:
Modern eadon?
Dudge:
I didn't unwittingly prove shit, eadon.
eadon-com:
I am the only one who is saying that this is
wrong, the modern kids should have better pop
than their parents!!!
HammondEggs:
Sure it is. Look at what happened to the Rolling
Stones after 20 years of producing music.
Dudge:
I was using that as an example of how I agree
with you. eadon, how many times have I said
I DON'T LIKE IT EITHER?
eadon-com:
There IS very good modern music, but it is virtually
all underground.
Dudge:
Just because I'm not mindlessly ranting about
it, eadon, doesn't mean that I find it any less
wrong than you.
eadon-com:
Great! then we agree!
Isolani:
Poor Dudge he's always misunderstood here. Dudge,
when you agree (which is rarely) you still get
flak.
HammondEggs:
There is a lot more music out today than there
was twenty years ago. Although there is a whole
lot of garbage, there is also plenty of music
worth listening to. You just sometimes need
to look more carefully than in the past. You
can't trust radio to help you, either.
eadon-com:
Dudge disagrees with eadon and then comes round
to eadon's way of thinking :)
Dudge:
Isolani, I get "flak" because eadon is on his
rant giving flak to anyone in my generation.
Dudge:
Comes around?! eadon, no.
Dudge:
Isolani, eadon has to claim bad things about
my generation, so he tells HammondEggs and I
that we haven't tasted anything better than
modern pop. Condescending bullshit.
Isolani:
For eadon it's win or lose, not how you play
the game. It's not understanding that eadon
wants, some middle way, but full throttle kill
the other guy?
Dudge:
eadon, adults today are "taken in" by the commercialization
too. You think kids are responsible for all
the evils of the music industry? No.
anon:
I only bought one modern album this year and
that was the red hot chilli peppers. But, even
they are becoming an old band .....when I was
16 they were really hip and underground......
Isolani:
SUV's, that's being taken in by commercialism.
Who the hell needs one of those things for commuting?
eadon-com:
Oh come come Isolani! I merely stated my position.
The kids were indignant and stated I was wrong.
I merely stuck to my guns and they realised
that I was right all along and agreed with me
:)
Dudge:
It may not be you that is "brainwashed" by the
pop garbage, but many other adults are.
HammondEggs:
I blame kids for Getty Lee releasing an album
which got good reviews. That is inconceivable.
Dudge:
Oh my God. eadon, I don't care if you're serious
or not, but this is REALLY way too much.
eadon-com:
Dudge CANT HANDLE the TRUTH
anon:
lol
anon:
This is too fun to watch...
HammondEggs:
Quoting popular garbage now, are we?
eadon-com:
It is all up there in black and white Dudge.
Cut and paste the tells, study them, and learn
Dudge:
eadon, scroll up. And copy ANY tell of mine
that I've now changed my mind about.
HammondEggs:
Dudge, who cares if eadon is wrong?
Dudge:
HammondEggs, call it petty if you want, but
I wasn't gonna let eadon go on with condescending
BS without a "challenge."
HammondEggs:
It is petty.
anon:
Cmon, think of the 80's and Debbie Gibson, they
have been ramming this crap down our throats
for awhile now...
HammondEggs:
Of course, anon. You can go before Disco, even.
Take a gander at Herman's Hermits. They were
the pop garbage in the days of the Beatles.
HughJass:
Quit pulling punches. Everyone knows it's the
bad taste of teenagers that's responsible for
all the crap.
DeaconNihilo:
you want kids to take a more hostile attitude
to the world as we know it eadon?
eadon-com:
Well, what I was saying was DeaconNihilo, is
that the parents these days are more rebellious
than the children
[eadon hears cries emerging from the bedroom.
One of the baby twins demands to be fed]
eadon-com:
baby cries :( baby rebels [exits to feed the
baby and hence quench the sore decibels of yearning]
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