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From:	Superdude	2002-01-20 17:25:26
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From:	superdude	2002-01-20 17:36:21
Subject:	stupidity
Comment:	Well spearfish, you sound like a true hero. I'm sure your proud of yourself so i'll give you some advice: Don't ever try to mix reason into your little game, that would be the end of that special mirth you feel. But it sounds like you know that all too well. Good day sir!
From:	gof	2002-02-27 15:15:18
Subject:	IP
Comment:	Title: Does Prayer Influence the Success of in Vitro Fertilization-Embryo Transfer?: Report of a Masked, Randomized Trial Authors: Kwang Y. Cha, M.D., Daniel P. Wirth, J.D., M.S., and Rogerio A. Lobo, M.D. Objective: To assess the potential effect of intercessory prayer (IP) on pregnancy rates in women being treated with in vitro fertilization-embryo transfer (IVF-ET). Study Design: Prospective, double-blind, randomized clinical trial in which patients and providers were not informed about the intervention. Statisticians and investigators were masked until all the data had been collected and clinical outcomes were known. The setting was an IVF-ET program at Cha Hospital, Seoul, Korea. IP was carried out by prayer groups in the United States, Canada and Australia. The investigators were at a tertiary medical center in the United States. The patients were 219 women aged 26-46 years who were consecutively treated with IVF-ET over a four-month period. Randomization was performed after stratification of variables in two groups: distant IP vs. no IP. The clinical pregnancy rates in the two groups were the main outcome measure.
From:	gof	2002-02-27 15:18:13
Subject:	IP
Comment:	Results: After clinical pregnancies were known, the data were unmasked to assess the effects of IP after assessment of multiple comparisons in a log-linear model. The IP group had a higher pregnancy rate as compared to the no-IP rate (50% vs. 26%, P=.0013). The IP group showed a higher implantation rate (16.3% vs. 8%, P=.0005). Observed effects were independent of clinical or laboratory providers and clinical variables. Conclusion: A statistically significant difference was observed for the effect of IP on the outcome of IVF-ET, though the data should be interpreted as preliminary. (J Reprod Med 2001;46:781-787) Keywords:fertilization in vitro, embryo transfer, prayer, complementary medicine, alternative medicine
From:	gof	2002-02-27 15:25:00
Subject:	IP
Comment:	and Record Home Page Current News </cu/news/> | News Archive </cu/news/archive/> | Video Briefs </cu/news/media/> | Video Forum </cu/news/vforum/> | Photo Gallery </cu/news/photogallery/> | Home Page </>Prayer May Influence In Vitro Fertilization Success By Robin Eisner Prayer seems to almost double the success rate of in vitro fertilization procedures that lead to pregnancy, according to surprising results from a study carefully designed to eliminate bias. The controversial findings, published in the September issue of the 'Journal of Reproductive Medicine,' reveal that a group of women who had people praying for them had a 50 percent pregnancy rate compared to a 26 percent rate in the group of women who did not have people praying for them. In the study, lead by Rogerio Lobo, chairman of obstetrics and gynecology (OB/GYN) at Columbia University's College of Physicians & Surgeons <http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/ps/>, none of the women undergoing the IVF procedures knew about the praying.
From:	gof	2002-02-27 15:28:11
Subject:	IP
Comment:	The researchers acknowledge the results seem incredible and say unknown biological factors may be playing a role in the difference between the two groups. But they decided to go public with the results in the hope that other scientists may carry out studies to determine if the findings are reproducible and, if so, what factors might be responsible for the improved success rate in the group of women who had people praying for them. 'We could have ignored the findings, but that would not help to advance the field. We are putting the results out there hoping to provoke discussion and see if anything can be learned from it. We would like to understand the biological or other phenomena that led to this almost doubling of the pregnancy rate,' says Lobo. The study, which had several safeguards in place to eliminate bias, involved 199 women planning in vitro fertilization and embryo transfers at the Cha Hospital in Seoul, Korea, between December 1998 and March 1999. A statistician randomly assigned the prospective mothers to either a prayer group (100 women) or a non-prayer group (99). Besides the women, the physicians and medical personnel caring for the women did not know a study of prayer was ongoing.
From:	gof	2002-02-27 15:34:41
Subject:	IP
Comment:	The people praying for the women lived in the United States, Canada, and Australia and were incapable of knowing or contacting the women undergoing the procedures. Which women were in which group was not revealed until the pregnancy data became available at the completion of the study. The people praying were from Christian denominations and were separated into three groups. One group received pictures of the women and prayed for an increase in their pregnancy rate. Another group prayed to improve the effectiveness of the first group. A third group prayed for the two other groups. Anecdotal evidence from other prayer research has found this method to be most effective. The three groups began to pray within five days of the initial hormone treatment that stimulates egg development and continued to pray for three weeks. Besides finding a higher pregnancy rate among the women who had a group praying for them, the researchers found older women seemed to benefit more from prayer. For women between 30 and 39, the pregnancy rate for the prayer group was 51 percent, compared with 23 percent for the non-prayer group.
From:	gof	2002-02-27 15:39:16
Subject:	IP
Comment:	The researchers analyzed their data several ways to see if they could find other variables that would have accounted for the differences between the two groups. However, no adjustments altered the results. The group will continue to study whether its findings are genuine and, if so, what mechanisms might be at work. Other studies have shown that prayer seems to exert a benefit for heart patients. The researchers believe theirs is the first study looking at prayer and infertility. None of the researchers are employed by religious organizations and were not asked by religious groups to perform the study. Kwang Y. Cha, director of the Cha Hospital and an associate research scientist at OB/GYN at Columbia University's College of Physicians & Surgeons funded the research through his hospital. Click to read the full online article <http://www.reproductivemedicine.com/Features/Feature.htm%20> 092501 Phone: 212.854.5573 Office of Public Affairs </cu/news/contact.html>
From:	Dennis Fry	2002-08-23 14:52:34
Subject:	You can talk to me...
Comment:	Hey spearfish, I'm a christian who's not afraid to talk to agnostics or anything. Drop a line sometime.
From:	booboo	2002-09-27 22:38:02
Subject:	what?!?!
Comment:	that prayer with higher pregnancy rate is bullshit. like prayer does anything. there is no proof for prayer so until i see with my own eyes proof of an actual miracle then i just believing in science
From:	Mr.Peace	2003-02-20 21:55:29
Subject:	Muslim
Comment:	Hallo, I am a muslim, the meaning of muslim is bowing to the will of God, so..what do you think about muslim? I wait your opinion..... My opinion about praying is...everybody hafe a right to pray....:) . He is hindu, budha, muslim or christian hafe a right to pray....:)
From:	Sy Ryacis	2003-05-29 16:53:56
Subject:	SPEARFISH
Comment:	Spearfish you are a god.
From:	Ivanho1953	2004-09-01 21:50:29
Subject:	De-bunking Prayer Study
Comment:	Before you go citing the Columbia University study on prayer and in vitro fertilization, you better check out the latest development: it turns out that the chief researcher, Daniel Wirth, is a convicted con man. The study has also proven to be bogus and has been withdrawn from Columbia's web site.