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eadon-com:
The brain is not holistic. We think it is because
consciousness is an illusion of everything being
one
eadon-com:
Never argue with an imbecile, people might not
know you are merely an idiot :)
eadon-com:
Does the fact that you feel comfortable with
your beliefs make you uncomfortable in any way?
eadon-com:
Amazing how the best talent lived in Europe
a few hundred years ago. Newton, Bach, the classical
painters, Shakespeare. Modern education is suppressing
genius
Madpole:
"Everybody is ahead of their time - it is just
a matter of proper advertising"
eadon-com:
Time began at midnight.
eadon-com:
RevFred, do xtians have fun, or are there strings
attached?
RevFred:
no strings, just nails :)
eadon-com:
lets not discuss computers. Reminds me of my
hobbies and my work. I like to talk about god
eadon-com:
it is more comforting to speak of that which
does not exist
Isolani:
And KSose didst smite the eadon, yet the eadon
did rise up to discuss computers again...
Isolani:
Older people have all the resources they need
usually except one vital thing: Humility.
KSose:
not true, Isolani.
Isolani:
I defer to KSose
eadon-com:
Yes Isolani, but the most important thing old
people lack is youth
Isolani:
Humility is necessary because you must not trust
your senses. Often a move is inimicable to the
test of your reason.
KSose:
Old folks know what they need to know to survive.
KSose:
But they are not receptive to new ideas. You
knew that , didn't you ..
eadon-com:
Ksose, old folks forget what they need to know
to survive, because, in the end, they die!
KSose:
I have always liked that boy.
Isolani:
The oak breaks but the bamboo sways.
KSose:
eadon, come over here and sit next to me. Bring
your books.
eadon-com:
on your lap???
Isolani:
Oh no, wrong channel.
KSose:
No... right here next to my desk.
Isolani:
hehe
eadon-com:
ha!
eadon-com:
I got him there Isolani :)
Isolani:
LOL
eadon-com:
of course the brain is a machine, and a damned
complex one. Billions of neurons, quadrillions
of dendrite connections. That is a lot of computing
power! The neurones are slow, but massively
parallel processing and pattern recognition
algorithms compensate. Humans play chess via
pattern recognition rather than brute force
calculation
Batman:
some of chess is brute force calculation.
eadon-com:
are you sure? I reckon about 0.00001 %
KSose:
How about supplementing that pattern recognition
with principles? Actually you can't.. You need
a databank of chess patterns as fuel. Then you
can extrapolate and grow stronger.
Batman:
well, when you're searching for mate, you're
using brute force.
eadon-com:
. the brain knows WHICH MOVES TO CALCULATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Isolani:
I am a worker, a honeybee, a drone. Where would
you all be without us drones? If everyone went
to college who'd clean the fish?
KSose:
Not me ! Why waste time looking for mate...
I can sense mate.
eadon-com:
exactly ksose, pattern recognition!
Batman:
well, then you're just doing brute force calculation
intuitively. Subconsciously.
KSose:
No... I know that 5 pieces vs. a lone king is
checkmate. I don't have to calculate that.
RevFred:
three kids argued over who's dad made the most
money ...
RevFred:
the doctors son said my dad makes 3000 an hour
for surgery ...
RevFred:
the lawyers son said my dad made 300000 in one
week
RevFred:
the ministers son said that's nothing my dad
works one hour a week and it takes 4 people
to carry in the loot. :)
eadon-com:
that is a typical xtian joke: lame
Isolani:
lame
JGR:
It was alright...
eadon-com:
Have you heard the one about the bishop, the
actress and the candle?
Isolani:
Guy walks into a saloon/pub with a frog on his
head. Bartender says to the guy, "Where did
you get your little friend?" Frog says, "started
with a growth on my arse."
RevFred:
the best I had about pastors and pay. :)
eadon-com:
Isolani's joke was better.
eadon-com:
but Isolani will go to hell with all the other
good joke-tellers
BishopHavoc:
open mindedness is great, if you actually have
that gift
eadon-com:
BishopHavoc, how do you know when you are open
minded? This has always puzzled me to the point
of bamboozlement
Isolani:
When you're dumb enough to be happy?
BishopHavoc:
BishopHavoc hugs Isolani and WhiteBeard
WhiteBeard:
<blushes>
BishopHavoc:
not to worry seek Jesus 7 77
Isolani:
<winces>
eadon-com:
huggy stuff here eh hehe
WickedMerlin:
I hug Isolani (and his pig)
eadon-com:
I hug his pig too
Isolani:
Thanks WickedMerlin. Watch the clean clothes,
pig has mud on her snout.
WhiteBeard:
story of my life hugging pigs:(
WickedMerlin:
tell the pig to watch it too, I'm none too clean
myself
Isolani:
eadon You need a pig. WickedMerlin you too.
Get one and be happy :)
eadon-com:
well better to have hugged a pig than never
to have hugged at all :=-))
WickedMerlin:
I see the errors of my way - get a pig , don't
marry one :(
eadon-com:
): I would hog Isolani's hog. pigs would make
lovely wives, and women lovely pigs
Isolani:
Pigs leave the toilet seats down.
eadon-com:
Isolani is here!!!!!!!
Isolani:
I've come for your daughters!
Jackdaw:
I'll be delighted for you Isolani
eadon-com:
they're expensive to maintain you know
Isolani:
Hi Jackdaw. eadon. The channel 103 crew (both
dark and light). Daughters like malls too well.
eadon-com:
as do their mothers
Isolani:
It grieves me to see the little hoydens at the
ATM machines.
eadon-com:
All those shops! they wouldn't exist if it were
not for the money spraying female marauders;
or to the chaps who fund them
Isolani:
Good point eadon. Makes one wonder just how
much Nasdaq owes to those youngsters.
Isolani:
You cannot serve God and the Gap too.
eadon-com:
I wonder what would happen if women liked computers.
All the shoe shops would disappear overnight
Isolani:
The world would be a quiet place of tap-tapping
of keyboards then. And there would be no divorce.
eadon-com:
Windows would come in many colours, multivarious
shades of pink and orange. Battleship grey would
be very much last years colour.
dlh:
I was amazed to find Buddha was born of the
"Virgin Maya" LOL
eadon-com:
these father gods seem to put it about a bit,
I meant to say
dlh:
Zoroaster too
Isolani:
Boy that's a reversal :)
dlh:
and Osiris or whoever those Egyptian dudes were
dlh:
one theory of the virgin birth is that believers
thought the resurrection event had to have a
miraculous beginning too
eadon-com:
interestingly, the only reason Jesus was thought
to have been of a virgin birth is because of
a mistranslation from the Greek into English.
Jackdaw:
Mary was known as the ark of the covenant to
Jews as she had the glory of god within her
Isolani:
Jackdaw, can you be a little... funnier please?
Isolani:
Just kidding Jackdaw.
eadon-com:
she had something of god within her apparently
eadon-com:
did that one pass the Isolani funny quality
control?
Isolani:
eadon I didn't get it at first glance :)
TheologeanX:
Almah, the Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:14 means
a young marriageable woman. In that culture
it connoted virginity and was so understood
by the translators of the Septuagint. It would
not have been much of a "sign" just for a young
woman to conceive.
TheologeanX:
Mark simply recorded what he had heard Peter
speak about Jesus, according to Papias, as reported
by Eusebius. Mark's vignettes are not necessarily
in chronological order.
dlh:
a little triple hearsay there eh TheologeanX?
TheologeanX:
Very few notarized affidavits or depositions
from that era, I'm afraid.
eadon-com:
It's like asking your grandmother what somebody
said back in 1910
eadon-com:
some of the bible is like recounting what Henry
the 8'th said on hearsay
Isolani:
What did Henry say eadon?
eadon-com:
off with her head!!!
Isolani:
Oh, yeah. That.
eadon-com:
Henry's way of divorcing without the lawyers:
invent a religion; slaughter your wives and
all your problems are solved
The-One:
the native Americans had good ideas about land..
in their view, no one 'owns' it, and everyone
can use it for what they need
Isolani:
Iroquois had nice ideas about torture. They
would fillet the victim over days and days.
See "The Black Robe" by Brian Moore.
Dudge:
It depends what the land is being used for.
In a hunting society that might work. But a
bit harder if you're farming...at least a particular
tribe, will own some land if they farm I think
eadon-com:
It will work if a tiny number of bacteria live
in a bucket of jelly
Isolani:
The Algonquin word for such treatment as filleting
a human, translated: "Caress." Nicely ironic.
eadon-com:
filleting? Removal of bones?
Isolani:
Removing the skin eadon, I chose the wrong word.
Isolani:
Skinning, de-epiderisizing? De-dermisizing?
eadon-com:
The ancient British tribes had a nice line of
torture too. The torture was called eagles wings.
The art of their little amusement was this...
eadon-com:
They would cut the ribs of the living victim....
SnafuFoobar:
Kentucky Fried Chicken offer a similar ordeal
today ... but they call it chicken wings
eadon-com:
down the front...
Isolani:
I'm peeking through my hands at eadon's tells.
DarthDeath:
OH MY.
DarthDeath:
that's CRAZY.
eadon-com:
and then they would pull the ribs back so that
they flared out, hence the name eagles wings
DarthDeath:
SWEEET.
SnafuFoobar:
all these exotic deaths probably only got practised
1 time in a 1000, mostly you just kept hitting
enemies until they stopped moving
DarthDeath:
Bloood and gutsier
eadon-com:
a really good master of the procedure could
keep the heart beating and the victim conscious
for a very long time
DarthDeath:
Helll yeah!
Isolani:
Torture/death was used no doubt to put fear
in the other side.
DarthDeath:
wtf are you talkin' bout, eadon??
eadon-com:
I think they did it to ancient lawyers
eadon-com:
and also, Isolani, because they were psychopathic
bastards
DarthDeath:
Me 2.
DarthDeath:
damn cool.
eadon-com:
yeah DarthDeath. Don't have nightmares!
DarthDeath:
I won't. I am too bloodthirsty
DarthDeath:
those are the good dreams.
eadon-com:
DarthDeath, remind me not to give you my email
address :)
Parsifal:
the tendency of MEANINGFUL coincidences to generate
coincidences, thereby (PERHAPS!!??) pointing
to their essentially spiritual origin, is pointed
out by Dr. R. Main in my book [Parsifal has
written a book called "Coincidences". It was
already noted by A. Vaughan. Main called it
"Synchronicity's self-referring tendency". Vaughan
called it "The Synchronicity of Synchronicity".
RabbitMunch:
Parsifal, what is your definition of a coincidence?
Parsifal:
[Parsifal's "Coincidences"] book has spawned
so many other coincidences already... but consider
the simplest and the most important of the lot...that
the FIRST person to whom I showed it, Hartston,
turned out to be the FIRST person in a section
on coincidences in Gooch's book The Paranormal.
This is enough, in itself, for me, to see that
SOMETHING beyond current scientific paradigms
is going on...
eadon-com:
Parsifal, do you think that if there was nothing
beyond current scientific paradigms, then there
would be no coinicidences?
Parsifal:
no eadon
RabbitMunch:
A good exercise would be to choose a number
from 20 to 200. Then se how many times that
number shows up in your life over the next few
months. You will notice it appears quite a bit,
only because your mind is searching for it,
filtering out other numbers. That is how your
mind works, filters out random events, but zooms
in on 'coincidences'.
eadon-com:
This is a well known effect RabbitMunch, helps
to explain why people believe horoscopes and
other stuff. The brain is good at spotting patterns,
hence, as you say, coincidences, and therefore,
like an optical illusion, the brain overestimates
the significance of the coincidence. Now I'm
not saying that this rules out a paranormal
explanation, I'm just saying that people are
bad at judging chance.
Madpole:
eadon says: "now - I do not rule out anything
- I am just saying that is a lot of tosh" Typical
eadon! ;-)
RabbitMunch:
Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln nd Lincoln
had a secretary named Kennedy.
eadon-com:
You have to factor in the chances of all coincidences
that didn't happen not happening. For
example, what was the coincidence of Hartston
not appearing in the first chapters of
all the other books on the paranormal?
Parsifal:
F***Ing enormous eadon, to give you a straight
answer. And then there are all the ramifications:
his failure, by the smallest possible margin,
to become GM [Chess Grandmaster]. That the coincidence
was about a TV programme he appeared on designed
to test the limits of human intelligence.
eadon-com:
I read that, and it was very moving, how close
he got to achieve GM status. that must be hard
to live with
Parsifal:
the symbolic significance of GM as that highest
intellectual status
eadon-com:
It is the lowest. GM's are daft enough to waste
their time playing chess :)
Parsifal:
that so many of the other coincidences were
related to Dante in Paradise, and that his entry
there , in the poem, symbolises going beyond
the limits of human intelligence... UNLIKELY
sir!
eadon-com:
True, but some coincidences, at least will occur
by pure chance alone agreed?
eadon-com:
So the difficulty is this: how can you quantify
this phenomenon? Where do you draw the line
between the mathematically expected and the
paranormal unfeasible?
Parsifal:
of course
RabbitMunch:
I would say 0^-100 would be a goo line to draw.
eadon-com:
I would say 3 standard deviations is a good
measure of a coincidence.
RabbitMunch:
yea, mine was for what would be paranormal,
not coincidence.
eadon-com:
But you have to factor in the chances of similar
coincidences not happening when doing the calc.
RabbitMunch:
what would b your cut-off for that eadon?
eadon-com:
for the paranormal?
RabbitMunch:
yes.
eadon-com:
If someone said he was going to toss a coin
10 times and each time it lands heads then either
the coin is fake, or he cheated or it is paranormal
Parsifal:
no eadon. 33 reds came up at roulette wheel
in Monte Carlo in the 1880s.
RabbitMunch:
that seems pretty easy to satisfy. 1 in 1024?
TyroWarlock:
the odds of that are 1/1024, yes
RabbitMunch:
he could just go up to a couple thousand people
and he would probably get it with one. And it
wouldn't be paranormal or a cheat.
eadon-com:
yeah but if the flipper said they would get
10 heads in 10 tosses in one attempt, then 1
in 1024 is impressive. But yes, it would not
be proof of the paranormal course :)
dlh:
do Buddhists believe in an external god who
lives in a heaven?
catdoc:
Buddhists believe in perfect breasts, dlh
DarthDeath:
WHO the **** don't man??
SnafuFoobar:
I'm converting
Isolani:
Not Buddha dlh, Buddhists have an entire eschatology
now though.
eadon-com:
Do all people who believe in perfect breasts
worship Buddha?
dlh:
well, there are cults within Buddhism, like
in christianity too
DarthDeath:
then you ain't no atheist, eadon
catdoc:
yes, eadon. They don't all know it though
DarthDeath:
damn, I gotta convert
DarthDeath:
lets go, eadon
eadon-com:
I say, Lulu, what a nice pair of Buddha's you
are endowed with
dlh:
fundy christianity is an externally focused
religion, Buddhism is an internally focused
religion
Isolani:
But there is no perfect breast.
Isolani:
Zen Buddhism you mean dlh.
dlh:
the perfect breasts are part of Plato's theory
of "forms"
eadon-com:
There is a perfect bottom and it is owned by
Helen Baxendale
DarthDeath:
OHMY.
DarthDeath:
I want it!
DarthDeath:
I want it ALL
Richner:
Helen Baxendale? Who's that?
Isolani:
True eadon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dlh:
and the ones we see are mere shadows of the
perfect ones
Olenin:
Forms suck, Plato and Aristotle both suck. Sophists
rule
SnafuFoobar:
I hate to break this to you eadon-com, but she
uses a stunt-bottom
DarthDeath:
stunt-bottom? plastic? or paper?
eadon-com:
SnafuFoobar casually destroys eadon's fantasy
SnafuFoobar:
its a cunning stunt bottom
dlh:
Olenin! good to see you!
DarthDeath:
woww. stealthy
DarthDeath:
that's good, 2
eadon-com:
a woman's stunt bottom
DarthDeath:
Er.
dlh:
does any branch of Buddhism believe in an external
God living in a heaven somewhere?
Isolani:
Helen needs no stunt. You say stunt bottom?
Isolani:
Not that I know of dlh. However, rituals incorporated
into some forms of Buddhist 'doxology' hints
strongly to a Western influence.
dlh:
polluted by the English eh Isolani?
Isolani:
There are rules of engagement, for instance.
How to sit for instance.
eadon-com:
I prefer the word refined, dlh
eadon-com:
So Buddhists do not see a god?
Isolani:
I'm not sure eadon.
eadon-com:
Then just follow a zen lifestyle?
dlh:
eadon, god is an internal spirit to a Buddhist,
it exists within them
Isolani:
I would not say Buddhists 'have it together'
myself.
eadon-com:
The Chinese are into zen aren't they?
BishopHavoc:
yes
eadon-com:
Well I will not be following zen Buddhism then.
the Chinese are the most down trodden bloody
miserable race on the planet
dlh:
over on yahoo, the Buddhist and Jewish chat
channels are generally very mellow, the christian
chat channels, however, are total free for alls,
LOL
eadon-com:
Give me a tacky western religion any day
TheologeanX:
Why didn't Paul use the phrase "born of a woman"?
A reasonable explanation is that he was aware
of the extraordinary circumstances attributed
to Jesus nativity.
BishopHavoc:
hey my grand mother is Chinese
eadon-com:
sorry BishopHavoc :)
dlh:
why didn't he say "born of a virgin" TheologeanX?
Isolani:
Send her some money BishopHavoc.
BishopHavoc:
;-)
eadon-com:
Hey BishopHavoc, Could you tell your grandmother
to deliver chicken chow mien and prawn sweet
and sour balls to Newport Shropshire please?
BishopHavoc:
I've heard that Chinese do not have Chinese
food in china eadon
dlh:
Paul probably knew little of the birth of Jesus,
the virgin birth story had not been made up
at the time he was writing
Isolani:
D.T. Suzuki's "Zen Buddhism" talks about (in
one chapter, only tells briefly about) historic
battles between Therevada and Mahayanna Buddhists.
All we seem to know is Catholics tortured Turks.
eadon-com:
Oh and some prawn crackers and egg fried rice
BishopHavoc:
hey my grandmother was also catholic Isolani
eadon-com:
Does she do crispy duck and black bean chop
suey?
BishopHavoc:
no
eadon-com:
Hey BishopHavoc, my Chinese takeaway hasn't
arrived :)
eadon-com:
the Buddhists are enlightened in the sense that
rather than slag off other creeds, they perceive
them as people gazing upon the same lantern
that is but a candle endowed with different
coloured glasses enclosing the same flame
Isolani:
eadon, you writing scripture or what?
eadon-com:
scripture of scrumpy jack
Isolani:
That prose sure sounded like scripture to me
eadon. You could be tax exempt over here.
eadon-com:
Really? Great I will set up a shrine! The unworthy
could sacrifice pigs at my alter.
dlh:
what is this about lanterns eadon?
eadon-com:
sorry dlh, I was trying to say something upon
which I am under endowed in the knowledge department
DarthDeath:
awww. How HUMBLE.
eadon-com:
I understand that Buddhists are far more conciliatory
towards other religions
dlh:
true eadon, it is called tolerance
Isolani:
Under endowed in the knowledge department, eadon?
Hey, bluff man.
eadon-com:
I hate tolerance :)
dlh:
the word "under endowed" should not be used
in mixed male company
DarthDeath:
WHOA
DarthDeath:
its a MIXED male
Isolani:
"Understanding a problem is the same thing as
doing something about it." - Alan Watts
Isolani:
I understand that eadon will come to understand
his irrational attitude toward religion.
eadon-com:
That's rich, a religious man calling me irrational
:)
Isolani:
eadon is afraid to investigate a matter, preferring
to conclude first.
eadon-com:
Not at all. I'm not an atheist, I'm a sceptical
agnostic
Isolani:
The word is smug. Yuppy is another word that
somewhat describes the attitude.
eadon-com:
When insults arrive the insulter has lost the
argument. Is that smug enough?
Isolani:
Labels eadon, you hide behind them, like sulphur
behind its H2SO3.
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