Updated 17 May 2003 A.D. by Brother
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New stuff: I am temporarily muzzled by Darth
Potzy, but you can still message stuff to
me. New! Sister Mel's The
10 Commandments of Atheism. These are
reproduced in the much-updated Book
of Mel.
I updated the official
AA site with Sister Mel's assertion that
the AA was celebrating its two year anniversary.
Then she retracted this claim, and was very
coy about it. It's not like a girl to forget
the date of an anniversary. Woe!!!! Methinks
Sister Mel's losing her marbles. If this madness
is within her we Brothers must burn her as
a witch. We'll put it to a group vote soon!
On these pages, I added some channel dialogue
towards the end of the page, see "Dialogue
bit". Updated are my Religion
links with a hotline to Think
Like A Fundy. And don't miss the new and
sexy "Finger-Notes Corner"
section!
I wish to officially deny this rumour:
Brother
catdoc(103): Eadon does all that
crazy snake-handling, blindness-healing, talking-in-tongues
fun stuff on the weekends. Paints himself
blue and meets with kronny for bible thumping
getaways.
Brother Cat is telling porkies I tell you! I
only do that stuff on Wednesday afternoons.
Seeing as no one sends me news, I will have
to invent it :) This is true though, I doth
swear it: recently I did witness with my very
own peepers a chess match: Sister GirlOnTop
vs Brother MateYou.
Lately, as usual, I have been issuing forth
mad thoughts, such as:
eadon-com(103): religion is an emergent property
of stupidity
eadon-com(103): god might be an emergent property
of physics, or of the imagination :)
Hellish atheist debates were had: are agnostics
no better than religious types? Brother TodWalker
has a point. Read on...
TodWalker(103):
eadon-com I have a question... I saw the link
to your site... how can you endorse both the
Atheist and the Agnostic? Shouldn't they be
in conflict with each other?
eadon-com(103): as it happens I am an atheist,
but we put up with those miserable agnostics,
because it would be difficult to have separate
christian, agnostic AND atheist channels :)
TodWalker(103): seems like the Agnostics would
fit better with Christians than with Atheism.
Christianity fits within the framework of
the Agnostic possibility.
eadon-com(103): TodWalker, Agnosticism is
a horrible grey area for sure, i do most comprehensively
agree that it is not worthy to submit those
absent minded devils to any civilised club
TodWalker(103): Eadon- So would it be your
opinion that most Agnostics are either too
afraid or too lazy to establish an opinion
based upon the information they have?
eadon-com(103): i suspect that fear establishes
the non-committal of many agnostics, but in
the end it is down to the fact that the definition
of agnosticism is redundant, in the same way
that the definition of a woman who says no
when she means no is redundant. in my books
one is either a religious droid or an atheist
thinker
eadon-com(103): atheism means that you see
no evidence for or against a god, an elf,
a toothfairie or any other non-provable-non-disprovable
figment of the human imagination
eadon-com(103): atheists dont' rule out the
possibility of god, merely that there is no
evidence to show one exists
TodWalker(103): eadon really eadon that sounds
like the agnostic now?
eadon-com(103): not true todwalker, it is
a myth that atheists say categorically that
there is no god. because it is impossible
to say such a thing. Charlotte was right,
it denotes a lack of belief rather than a
statement of fact of the impossibility of
god. proof of absence is often impossible
TodWalker(103): then define the Agnostic for
me
eadon-com(103): my view is that there is no
definition of agnostic, other than those who
do not address the problem. for example a
pig is agnostic - it has no opinion
eadon-com(103): atheism is the state of absence
of a belief system, incidentally
TodWalker(103): I think Eadon is an Agnostic
who's a wanne be Atheist.
eadon-com(103): any belief system needs faith
eadon-com(103): to eschew belief systems makes
one an atheist. open minded, but not susceptible
to dogma, propaganda nor agenda
TodWalker(103): eadon I think you misunderstand
the idea of "belief system" everyone has one.
eadon-com(103): if you wish to play semantic
games, then that is fine by me, but we both
understand what we mean by belief system,
it means a belief system that constructs an
edifice that is outside of rational evidence
TodWalker(103): Eadon - The Zealot would by
your definition to be an Atheist because they
think they are rational.
eadon-com(103): well Toddy, I am afraid that
such a statement is but an attribute of your
delusional belief system. therefore anything
you say is not to be taken seriously because
it is a belief system that is irrational.
TodWalker(103): eadon - I am simply saying
that to say that Atheism is refusing to claim
or adhere to any belief system is absurd because
it IS a belief system. You could say that
Atheism is to refuse to adhere to any Deific
belief system until evidence dictates otherwise
but your initial definition is wrong.
eadon-com(103): todwalker your argument is
similar to the fundy fallacy, that atheism
is a belief
eadon-com(103): you are wrong
TodWalker(103): do you believe there is a
God Eadon?
eadon-com(103): TodWalker, i do not comprehend
any reason that is compelling enough, given
our imperfect knowledge to indicate there
is a god. therefore, by default in matters
of the supernatural, i will assume there is
no god until compelling evidence appears
eadon-com(103): and my opinion also holds
for the existence of superman
TodWalker(103): Eadon - or superman got it.
eadon-com(103): god, superman, these are all
man-made constructs
TodWalker(103): Eadon - I'm trying to get
a handle on your belief system - That's two
points of it anyhow.
eadon-com(103): i have no belief system. I
do have opinions
eadon-com(103): if you want to confuse the
two, that is fine
TodWalker(103): the word opinion and belief
can always be interchanged
eadon-com(103): not really
squeegee(103): eadon, don't you believe your
opinions are correct?
eadon-com(103): no
eadon-com(103): my opinions are usually incorrect
daddoo(103): Eadon believes he has opinions.
Question: What the hell is a magnificent mistress
of Eros doing screwing a Lamarckian throwback
from the 1880's? From Priestess mel's fi notes:
1:
Parsifal(GM) tells you: I looked at some of
the stuff at this agnostics site, and am highly
amused that u associate yourselves with Darwinist
ideas! Whats more of an undemonstrated creation
myth than Darwinism?? Very amusing!
2: Parsifal (06:11 23-Jan-03
EST): I see darwin day is here soon. Ha!
3: Parsifal (06:28 25-Jan-03
EST): when u feel like listing ANY supportive
evidence for your creation myth of neo-Darwinism,
I shld be interested to hear it. Certainly agnosticism
is a healthy stance: defending Darwin is not.
Brother Mr Parsifal's ancestors obviously all
rebelled against Darwin and did not evolve.
To his credit, Brother Parsi is not a creationist,
and does not support religious creation myths.
He's more of a Lamarckian: a theory that is
scientific, like Darwinism. It stands or falls
on evidence.
New:
Highlights
of Atheists and Agnostics 2002
The above link points at the winner and rather
surprising runner up of the Battle of the
Asses contest, and more news and highlights
from 2002. I also put a load of stuff from
this page into
that
page because this page was getting too
big :)
More quotes added. See further down this
page. Oh and Priestess mel asked me to maintain
the official
site. See further down this page.
About the ICC Atheists and Agnostics Group
(AA)
I hope you're not expecting to see any AA
group rules & regs on this page. If you
like rules and regs, subscribe to one of the
plethora of dogmatic faiths out there, then
thou shalt be commanded by God, Gods, Satan,
Tinky Winky*, the deity of yer choice.
AA is not about rules, it is about freedom
from rules. Of course, that is not strictly
true. But then again, what is? Well, OK, Fermat's
Last Theorem is true. The moral of the story?
One must not believe one's own bullshit. THAT
is what AA is about! Probably.
* Behold the great Teletubbies controversy:
The Christian's are asking if Tinky Winky
is as bent as a nine-bob note. They question
if it is healthy that a lad should carry a
pink handbag. Why are they putting a "gay
icon" on Children's TV? You have to admit,
they have a point.
Thought inspired by Sister Squinch - religious
people don't see a half empty glass as half
full. They see it as full.
The
official AA Page This is the official
(serious) Internet Chess Club AA site. I maintain
that page, along with mel, so let
me know what you want to see there!
Your AA Group Operator
Sister
Mel is your AA group creator and
operator. Message her any questions you may
have. More at
The
Book Of Mel
AA Temple
The
Atheists & Agnostics group lurks furtively in
channel 333. To apply, fire up Blitzin and type g-join
ath
Got
any questions about AA? We are willing travel to the four
corners of this godforsaken Earth to help. (The Earth must
have four corners - it says so in the bible). Message the
group operator by typing mess mel <your question>.
Or
contact me (eadon-com).
Much
kudos
to
Stream for programming the group on ICC
Brother WHITE-WIDOW1, points out a coincidence, the "significance
of 333 as our channel is that the "Book Of Lies "
by the satanist Aliester Crowley is also known as 333."
External link (new window):
Book
of Lies.
Snowdog on Religion
and Atheism
Now, in the spirit of honesty...
I know that I haven't proven that there isn't a God! But
that isn't my job [as an atheist] (intellectually
speaking). It is logically impossible to prove a negative
(i.e. it is impossible to prove that there isn't a
Santa Clause). The burden of proof lies on the individual
making the positive assertion. In the case of Theism vs.
Atheism, it is the Theist that makes the positive assertion
(there is a God, and we must worship him). When the Atheist
is presented with this assertion, he has the choice to either
A) Accept what he has been told, requiring little to no
evidence whatsoever, or B) Demand evidence before he is
willing to accept what he has been told. I believe B is
the only moral choice a person can make, and that anything
less amounts to an intellectual self-betrayal. Choosing
A is about the most dangerous thing a person can do. The
principle to remember here is that extraordinary claims
require extraordinary evidence.
As I expressed, I am always
willing to change my beliefs if either:
A) I find or am presented
with evidence that the things I believe are wrong (i.e.
contradict reality) or
B) I find or am shown that I have no evidence whatsoever
supporting the things I believe (keeping in mind that FEELINGS
do NOT constitute evidence [but that's a whole other topic
in itself]).
I am convinced that this
position is the only moral position to take concerning beliefs.
Now I will make the following
positive assertion... If you surveyed 1000 Christians, Catholics,
Mormons, Moslems, or mystics of any sort and in any combination,
I assert that (assuming they answered honestly), 999 of
them would not be able to say what I said in the preceding
paragraph. Of course, there is the 0.1% that can, and those
are the ones I am willing to engage in philosophical discussion
with.
- Snowdog
This is an except taken with kind permission
from Brother Snowdog's
website.
See "
The
Bible Debate", and the page that the
above caption was taken from:
the
letter. Snowdog used to be a devoted Christian
and so his perspective makes his arguments authoritative.
His explanation of what led him to abandon faith
is remarkable.
Sinful Prayers
Brother GrapeSoda:
(103): god sure loves killing innocent babies
and children in the bible, looks like you
dorks worship a genocidal monster fairy tale
to express your own uncontrollable blood-lust
Brother dlh(103):
allegro said it best, he was a new testament
scholar]
6: eadon-com(103):
your notes are shit without at least two eadon-com
smart arse tells
7: eadon-com(103):
your notes are shit without at least two eadon-com
smart arse tells
[the above were taken from Sister mel's finger
notes]
Brother dlh(103):
"Above all, we have to remember that the myth
of jesus of nazareth as recorded in the gospels
was just one of a number of redeemer mythologies."
John Allegro in his book Dead Sea Scrolls
and Christian Myth
Brother Kiowa(103):
likes the scientific theory that the rings
of Saturn are made up entirely of lost airline
luggage.
Brother LoftyAndLoopy(103):
without knowledge we would be ignorant
Brother pmk(103):
Raising a child with bizarre beliefs about
wrathful deities and eternal afterlife torture
will someday be prosecutable as child abuse
Sister mel(103):
A biblegod who creates imperfect beings and
then curses them for their imperfections is
by definition imperfect.
Sister mel(103):
so do you think the devil brought the first
known transitional? Australopithecus
Sister mel(103):
path, homosapiens have only been here for
130,000 years
Brother eadon-com(103):
that's about 20 times longer than path thinks
the earth existed
mel(103): because any idiot can be a xtian.. you need a brain to believe in science
quotes du
jour by philosophers, writers, scientists,
theologians etc.
"Christ
rode an ass, now asses ride on Christ."
- Heine
~
"Faith, noun: Belief without evidence in
what is told by one who speaks without knowledge,
of things without parallel." - Ambroise
Bierce
Dialogue bit
Brother
dlh(103): amazing the providence of
god as he sends twisters on the earth, deciding
beforehand who will live and die, kind of
like a chess opening and deciding which pawn
to sac
Brother eadon-com(103):
only the survivors get to call it a miracle,
dlh :)
Brother BeQuiet(103):
everyehere you go you see god and ignore him
Brother eadon-com(103):
BeQuiet, the fallacy of your argument is trying
to claim that god saved your life, whist at
the same time, presumably you maintain that
god did not cause the horrible car smash in
the first place, which jeopardised your life
Brother dlh(103): datz da demon logic eadon....
Brother eadon-com(103): so it would appear, brother
dlh
Brother BeQuiet(103):
i will have to consider the things you say
to me today but i feel like crying now because
you people are so mean and coldhearted and
its world that jesus came to save and i would
never ever join your gang or poissee
Brother dlh(103): dont cry Be, just think and study
Brother eadon-com(103):
also, bequiet, in a dangerous world, there
are always going to be accidents, and sometimes
people will recover against the odds. such
people will naturally seek an explanation,
such as jesus to explain the fact they survived,
when in fact there is nothing but statistics
behind it. Some died. Some survive.
It is a harsh life. Next up we have:
Brother gowerdanny(103):
The GREATEST proof of a builder is a building
- the GREATEST proof of a creator is creation
Brother catdoc(103):
"Of course, it's a lot like saying 'Woodsmen
fell trees. Therefore, what greater proof could
there be of woodsmen living with the dinosaurs,
than the fact that we have fossils of trees
that fell down". But, brilliant nonetheless.
Indeedydoody!
Finger-notes
corner
A new section dedicated to the finger notes
of Internet Chess Club Members. Here are particularly
impressive notions from Brother Jeesus
Statistics for
Jeesus
1: First, go rub poop in your face like god
tells you to. Malachi 2:3 Jesus himself told
his followers to murder people like me Luke
19:27 Also, if you make god mad, he will give
you diarrea so bad your guts will come out
your anus 2 chronicles 21: 14-15
2: Jesus told his followers to murder their
children and their parents Mathew 10:21
3: Jesus said he did not come in peace but
to murder Mathew 10:34 Any good recipes? My
kids always turn out a little stringy. God
tells us to eat our children. Deuteronomy
28:53
4: Jesus said when the end of the world would
happen. It was 2000 years ago. Luke 9:27
5: Since Christians are told by Jesus, whom
they worship, to murder me, am I legally allowed
to kill Christians on sight, in self defense?
6: When the WTC got hit, was it your knee
jerk reaction that it was done by another
group of atheist terrorist?
7: Jesus tells us to hate our family, then
kill them. Luke 14:26... Mathew 10:21...Don't
get mad at me, I didn't write this piece of
trash called the bible. And please don't kill
your family.
8: God makes a bet with Satan concerning Job....and
he loses. Do not mock the bible. Every verse
I qoute here is from god's holy word. Remember,
If you have the wrong religion, god will have
you tore up by wild animals....deuteronomy
32:17-25
9: God drowned every baby in the world....and
you worship something like that???
10: Good Christians pretend to be cannibals....uhhhh
the communion thingy. How sick. Now go be
a good Christian and bash your kid against
a rock. Oh yeah, Christ says everything in
the old testament is still what we are suppose
to do....Mathew 5:17
Unholy Links
Atheist Goodies:
Atheist & Agnostic
pages
Links to AA members'
pages, pics etc
Comprehensive collection
of Atheist and Religion Links
There are so many links now that I've moved
them to their own page, see
Godless Books
An excellent book is
"Tower
of Babel: the Evidence Against the New Creationism"
by Roger Pennock. A must-read for those who believe
that the Christian creation myth is true.
Bookmark This Temple!
If you have any suggestions, quotes, or links;
or if there is anything at all you want me to
do to add to or change or bugger up the
Atheists
& Agnostics site, please
contact
me. Thank you!
Your infidel choir boy and webmaster Jim (eadon-com)www.eadon.com
P.S. I'll see you all in hell
Contributions
Brother FeedTheFish provided three voting questions
and Bronstein another. Brother dlh I think,
discovered the
Hell
link. Brother Frumpus provided the Things Christians
Hate and Constructing A Logical Argument links.
Brother Kenspe has suggested some links. Brother
Richner provided the celeb atheist link. Brother
Fishon provided the human evolution link.
(See
Religion
Links).
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help: how to add your comment Page hits: 5991
In reply to some of the
talkbacks (see
above) Firstly
Isolani
- you should be writing this crap, you're
better at it than me. Secondly -
Timaska
- Flame! Make up your mind, dear Christian,
do you want personal attacks to be in public
or in private? Thirdly -
Terco
- Just to say that I could follow ALL the
design rules and end up with something that
is clear but dull, like a corporate Intranet.
But thanks for the tip :) Fourth -
Britney@Spears.com
- nice idea, an Atheists&Agnostics scud
site would finance the group nicely.
Fifth,
JGR
[
note. JGR's comments appeared befor
e this page went unofficial] - wow this
is classic JGR, he can pen a flame so bright
that even Hell is enshadowed! OK, to tackle
your points, that's not Noah, it's God. The
cartoon represents a satire of the OT, in case
you hadn't noticed. I could paste up a satire
of the Koran, but the last thing I want on my
hands is a Jihad from religious terrorists.
Islam can be a bit unfriendly like that. The
pic was there because Mel liked it and it was
a religious satire, (after all, she and Stream
did all the hard work setting up the group,
she has publicised the group and she operates
it). But I killed the pic, I am sympathetic
to your view on that one. Is the site PC? That
is definitely NOT the intention, I abhor PC.
If you think it is PC why not send some stuff
in to redress the balance. Why is Ogo / channel
303 discussed? Why not? It is in keeping with
the topic. Is the whole thing puerile? If you
say so, flame-boy. Is this group to be taken
seriously? The moment you take yourself seriously
is the moment you become a bore and a boor.
But, if the group wants a serious page then
this unofficial site will change to reflect
that (actually, that's bollocks, I won't). Everything
can be changed, its fine by me. Who are our
leaders? There are no leaders. Mel is the group
operator, but groups need to be moderated to
keep JGR at bay :) Mel does not see her self
as a leader, apparently. Is the aim to make
the site as profane and sacrilegious as possible?
No, that would require planning and foresight.
You ask "Who the fuck [sic - profanity]
is the guy with the yellow hair?" - that's
Adam. "Does anybody smell an ego?"
I wish we could all be as ego-free as our dear
friend JGR. This page is an open forum. The
status quo sucks lemons? Change it. Send in
some crappy material.
