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Bill W. writes

Let me pass on to you my philosophy regarding consciousness.

Consciousness is divided in two - the conscious and the subconscious. The conscious is what we KNOW and the subconscious is what we ARE (feeling). Man is constantly expressing that which he knows and feels to be true about himself - nothing more and nothing less. When I say 'I am happy or sad,' or 'I am a doctor or a factory worker," I am expressing what I know and feel myself to be. Everything starts from within and works its way into the physical world. Happiness, joy, fear, insecurity etc are inner qualities that determine our place in the world. A fear of spiders might not be a quality that would cause one to be an entomologist while the love of airplanes might lead one to become a pilot.

Change can only be made when we change what we know and feel to be true about ourselves. To know and feel 'I am happy' is to alter our perception of ourselves and thus happiness must be expressed. To know and feel 'I am healthy' must therefore express health. The law of expression is that which we know and feel to be true of ourselves must be expressed.

If one should win the lottery, the response from within would be joy, happiness etc at the sudden realization that one no longer is limited by money and can buy anything or go anywhere. My point here is that if physical wealth can lead to a mental reaction, then according to the law of expression, a mental action can lead to physical wealth. To assume the consciousness of the knowing and the feeling of wealth must express wealth.

Of course, knowing and feeling are at the very core of what we are, therefore simply thinking a thought does not mean it will take root in our knowing and feeling. Perhaps this can be discussed at a later date.




Jim Replies:

Bill's interesting conjecture is that, "The conscious is what we KNOW and the subconscious is what we ARE (feeling)."

Forgive me, but let me see if I can throw this idea into turmoil. Let's take the first half of your statement:

"The conscious is what we KNOW"

Take a type of blindness called "blind-sight". Blind-sight is a well documented and truly bizarre affliction. People who suffer from blind-sight possess fully operational eyes and optical cortex of the brain. So why are they blind? Because they are not conscious of seeing! In blind-sight people brain damage has somehow broken the wires that connect the optical cortex and the consciousness areas of the brain. In scientific experiments blind-sight people are shown arrows and asked to indicate which why the arrows point. These blind-sight subjects are able guess correctly significantly more often than average, even though those people report that they cannot see anything (they really are blind people). Indeed the blind-sight people think the question of which way the arrow is pointing is absurd, they cannot see it! Yet such patients consistently "guess" the correct answer more often than can be explained by chance alone.

The explanation is that the subconscious mind can see and the subconscious somehow communicates this knowledge to the experimenter without the blind-sight patient being aware of it.

In other words the blind-sight person KNOWS things without being conscious of them.

Another example: a rare form of brain damage, caused for example in a car accident, which means that people can't identify faces of people, not only famous people, but even pictures of their own family. Experiments have shown that their subconscious IS recognising the faces, it is just that they are not conscious of the identities. Hence they are genuinely confused and cannot describe the identities because they are genuinely ignorant of them at the conscious level.

Such brain damage patients teach us much about how consciousness works. Based on this type of evidence, your conjecture "The conscious is what we KNOW" would appear to be mistaken. My version of that statement would be, "Conscious is concerned with what we are aware of KNOWING, not what we ACTUALLY know"!

Maybe that is what Bill meant.

Now on to the second half of Bill's conjecture. Permit me challenge that too.

To quote Bill, "the subconscious is what we ARE (feeling)."
My own idea (feeling?) about this is that if we feel it then we are conscious of it. Feeling is a conscious experience. The subconscious might be no more feeling than a computer program. Feeling is a conscious manifestation of information the subconscious decides to convey to us. For example, the subconscious mind wishes us to survive so that we may live to reproduce. We (generally) fear large predatory animals, poisonous creatures, heights and death in general.

A chief aim of the subconscious mind is to induce us to reproduce, another instinct necessarily common to all surviving species of life. The conscious mind "feels" love for a mate. Kids are often the result.

Kids are expensive (!) Wealth is very useful when it comes to raising kids, for it provides food and shelter. The subconscious mind tells the conscious mind to seek resources (eg. money) by rewarding the conscious mind with feelings of happiness on obtainment of wealth.

An unfeeling subconscious mind uses feelings to communicate to the conscious mind what it is doing. Everything we do is decided by the subconscious. The conscious mind becomes aware of them via the conscious experiences of perceptions and feelings.

In conclusion, I might totally reverse Bill's original conjecture like this: "The SUBCONSCIOUS is what we KNOW and the CONSCIOUS is what we ARE (feeling)."





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