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John Brown | 2001-02-02 15:13:26 | | Subject: | Heading | | Comment: | I disagree | | | | | From: |
Aido | 2001-02-08 05:25:26 | | Subject: | We are free if we believe we are free. | | Comment: | Define your terms.
There are two types of free will; exiestential (rational) and essential (irrational).
If someone is happy believing that they are free...let them be.
If thought is a game winning is achieving happiness. | | | | | From: |
dave | 2001-03-18 10:33:27 | | Subject: | s'pose y'think y'know all about atoms? | | Comment: | s'pose y'think y'know all about atoms? You don't even know enough to leave enough space for a decent heading!
By Wittgenstein, our concept of free will is what we are talking about when we talk about it, taking into account the way we live our lives and how our concepts fit in with that, and that concept is of our wills being free. Hence, if we are asked do we have free will, we can only reasonably reply yes.
But if Wittgenstein isn't your cup of tea (and even if he is) what makes you think you know enough about the constitution of the universe to be able to say it is only composed of atoms with the properties you assert, and computer programmes? | | | | | From: |
MadPole | 2001-03-20 19:13:42 | | Subject: | You mentioned this subject, not me! | | Comment: | I STRONGLY AGREE!
Of course we don't have free will!
That's why we can do whatever we like because it does not matter one bit.
It is all matter of hierarchy of organizations as Sir Brother Eadon rightly pointed out (or perhaps he didn't).
Computers are nothing but electron pumping machines. On some level of the organizational hierarchy there is programmer, developer, designer, manager, customer... they all thing electrons are doing something for them, they all think electrons are under their control.... but what electrons... oh forget it .. this was supposed to be one sentence punch line!
Maybe another time hehe, here I am... free-willied individual who can't even write what he wants! | | | | | From: |
Joe Black | 2002-09-17 15:04:43 | | Subject: | I agree | | Comment: | I just searched the web to see if someone came up with the idea before and got this page.I'm not into philosophy, just an engineer, but have been thinking of this for a while.Hopefully, in the future, after genetics and artifical intelligence advances further, people will realise human body is no different from a machine, there is no soul or some other part of the body that chooses to control itself whatever it likes. To those who think there is free will:
- Use your free will not to read this line without cheating i.e like before you were younger and could not read. Is it possible? Listen to a song and try not to hear it. Keep in mind that those characters and music are not the real ones, just perceived and modulated signals by your brain, exactly like your thoughts.
- Try to make a choice, i.e move you eyes to a direction. Now think if it was random, why did you choose that direction? Did you make your choice because of the environment or some memory in your brain? It depends on some feedback.
- If human body has free will, do cells have it also? What about a white blood cell? Why a collection of neurons should be different?
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Joe Black | 2002-09-17 15:06:45 | | Subject: | I agree , part II | | Comment: | ( continued )
- Try to express your feelings about free will, write a couple of sentences. Do you think 'free will' choose that characters and words to express yourself or was it automatic.When you add 1+1=2, do you really add them?
- What actions you do are result of free will or careful planning in your daily life? Observe yourself for a day.
- Ever been in a a dream state when absolute rubbish noise or visual patterns seem meaningful, but not when you awake.
( not talking about normal dreams, who have this dreams will understand)
- Watch some national geographic, some high level moods and character of animals can be traced to genetics, including not mating in family or being friendly, domestic. Why it should be different for humans? Why some people become criminals, while some are saints?
I know it's sad not to have free will. I think free will is just an illusion of the complex mind, even when you think about it :) | | | | | From: |
katie | 2002-09-28 10:59:32 | | Subject: | my opinion on free will | | Comment: | if you say free will is the ability to go about your day choosing to do whatever you want to do, then i think we are all people with the gift of free will. my interpretation of your free will blurb was that you think its all mechanical, that everything happens because of chemical or molecular influence. i kind of think thats bullshit. i mean, i think we are all here because of chemicals and all of that, but to say that those atoms that created us also control our thoughts? thats seems absurd. i think we have free will because i dont think there is a greater control of the universe. for whatever reason, human life was created on this earth, and with that, the thought process was created. every action deserves an equal reaction, yes, but this does not say anything for the existence of free will. if my hot best guy friend is sitting next to me and asks me if i want to smoke pot or go have sex with him, i think thats a matter of my choosing. i dont think any atom has any influence over my decision to scrump or smoke. | | | | | From: |
Lisa Ann Hurley | 2002-11-17 14:22:04 | | Subject: | life on earth part 1 of 3 | | Comment: | Maybe the subconscious is somewhat like the dark side of the moon. Never seen, but always there in the back, staying much the same and in the lowest state of flux, though the occassional major 'impact' may come along and scar it forever. Then, maybe consciousness is therefore like the light side of the moon. Ever changing, phasing in and out, in and out. Waxing and waning like universal clockwork and affecting any and all bodies of water, which in turn affects weather, in turn the growing of crops and all the follies of man in general, that including me and you. | | | | | From: |
Lisa Ann Hurley | 2002-11-17 14:23:36 | | Subject: | life on earth part 2 of 3 | | Comment: | Getting to the point, maybe things as we know them are connected in more ways then one, and some connections may be easy to study, see and be tangible. The start and end points of life on earth are in general mundane and concrete tangible things. You have a birthday, you will die someday. Only a fool could believe (or have faith) that he could somehow change or stop the basic facts, or do things like stop the earth from turning through sheer will power or prayer, but all that gray stuff in the between...like picking where you live, what you do, your favorite ice cream etc. Well that is probably the illusive free will your seeking. You are using free will, and are being shaped by the free will of many others (who made that ice cream?), just as surely as the sun and moon are regulating the earth in its celestial path. | | | | | From: |
Lisa Ann Hurley | 2002-11-17 14:28:36 | | Subject: | life on earth part 3 of 3 | | Comment: | Maybe we are not quite as tiny as we think in the scheme of things. We are part of a collection, and a collection within a higher collection and so forth and so on. The choices you make today may affect something or someone for very good or bad tomorrow. We all know that feeling all too well. We carry our origin and all our free will within us as we go forward each day-we may show one side outwardly but the dark side is there as always. We can only go forward physically, but we can go backward in our subconscious via memories. Is it not also a known fact that people often 'color' their memories from reality. How about the fact that two persons standing side by side through an 'event' will have extreme different ideas of what they saw, what happened and why!? Could that not be more free will at play? Unfortunately, we often just go along this way until, perhaps a tidal wave comes along and wipes us out! Physically we may have no choice if that were to happen, but who is to say or where is it totally been disproven that there is not a part of us that does not continue to go forward yet? Hey, I don't just want to be a walking blob of mindless protons and neutrons! Energy is neither created nor destroyed it just changes. I get that there is a 'beginning' and 'end' (birth, death-whichever came first is a mystery) of all things, but what about everything before, in between and afterward? I really don't think there is a biochemical, physical, meaningless reason behind EVERYTHING. That is not good enough for me ('my chemicals made me do it!') Where is the *reason* for being in it all? I dearly appreciate your views and you make many fine points, but I guess I feel the hard core scientific approach is a type of dogma in itself. | | | | | From: |
Joe Black | 2002-11-21 14:41:11 | | Subject: | more thinking | | Comment: | Katie, 'but to say that those atoms that created us also control our thoughts?'.. we are the atoms, just patterns in universe... maybe true individual self does not exist at all.
Besides having sex and smoking pot are results of your genes, just like drinking water.
It depends on your definition of free will.. in my terms:
- physically bound system (body and brain) is influenced by outer world and itself, so it's not free will, it's limited will.
- quantum mechanics, some people think it's not deterministic so it explains free will. I don't think this way, because quantum mechanics also say that the state of the system depends on the observer, so how can we call it free?
I think one has to be independent of the universe to have free will, that's being 'god'. Maybe religion explains it better, in Islam a person has a limited version of god's will...but this 'no free will' thing contradicts religion at all (while solving lots of problems like good vs evil). | | | | | From: |
Kami Blas | 2003-05-22 20:07:22 | | Subject: | Does fate control every man's destiny? | | Comment: | Hamlet is also a good example of fate vs. free will. Hamlet learns that the killer of his father is his uncle, the bother of his father, who has married his mother. The ghost of Hamlet's father wanted Hamlet to seek out revenge on Hamlet's uncle. In this writing Hamlet dies, Hamlet had many opposites to avoid his death. There was many times were Hamlet could of killed his uncle, but he did not acted on them. Hamlet also had the choice to publicities what his uncle did, but instead of doing so, he chose to act in silence. So, this shows that fate does not determine one's destiny. For Hamlet clearly had choices that showed that he had free will. | | | | | From: |
Mikey | 2003-08-20 18:07:01 | | Subject: | it would be a paradox | | Comment: | Say you desire to get up out of bed, but you are tired and feel like you should sleep. You decide to stay but then think 'no i have my own freewill' and then decide to get up.... before you do you think 'what if it is actually my will to stay here'. Well this could go back and forth forever and you'd never get out of bed, locked in indecision. Thaty would be the absence of free will. So naturally if the absence of free will stops you from making an descision, then making a descision would be the opposite and be your free will. Additionally going against you desire for the sence of duty, or again duty for a desire is a descision that you make against what is 'Determined' to happen. Also additionally any descision that you wiegh heavily within your conscious mind is obvioisly your descision made by your own will and your conscious mind! | | | | | From: |
Doug Wilder | 2003-08-27 21:01:10 | | Subject: | freewill | | Comment: | atoms and electron are not billard balls but are subject to non deterministic Quantum behavior it is at that level the soul interacts freely with matter.we have freewill | | | | | From: |
Mmmm logic | 2003-08-30 22:56:08 | | Subject: | big flaw | | Comment: | dude big flaw here, argument is arguing from part to whole. not valid, however i make no comment on the truth of the conclusion | | | | | From: |
Clayton Carter | 2003-09-03 20:30:22 | | Subject: | Dreams of free-will | | Comment: | First of all I'd like to try and create an understanding of what free-will is vs. destiny and/or no control. Scientifically everything in the universe is composed of atoms, and these atoms and their parts are subject to the laws of nature, true. It almost seems logical to assume that because we (humans) are a part of this universe then we are subject to these same laws, like a bobber floating aimlessly in the ocean. This theory actually holds very true with the theory of the arrow of time. If every action of ours is not given to choice, but subject to rules, then destiny is a fact. Our every action then must be predetermined before we ever had an opportunity to make it (how very 'Matrix').
What makes me disbelieve in this concept is the human immagination. Recently I have begun to try to become a lucid dreamer - (Lucid dreaming is consciencely knowing you are dreaming and making the dream whatever I want it to be). The ability to take my experience of reality and knowingly change all the rules of physics, so I can fly to every corner of the world, or change my surroundings with a thought is proof enough for the existence of free-will. In my dreams I make every choice, some of which are made sub-conscience to keep my conscience mind from overloading. I can change any aspect to conform with what my will desires. I am not subject to my dreams, and I am therefor a free-thinker. | | | | | From: |
Clayton Carter | 2003-09-03 20:31:15 | | Subject: | Dreams of free will pt 2 | | Comment: | I also find other proof in our abitity to knowingly try to destroy ourselves. Nowhere in nature can you find anything that will destroy itself, electrons don't do it, a planets don't do it. I can choose the time and place of my discontinued existence if I please, something atoms cannot do.
I can choose to eat when I am not hungry, sleep when I am not tired or laugh even when I am sad. Free-will is not a ploy or a mispercieved control over our paths in life. Free-will is a by-product of the brains ability to concieve any outcome - whether in a dream or not - and act out upon it with no regard to the laws of nature.
This is to say that we are also subject to these laws because we are still a part of the universe, but the paths we take are chosen by a free mind and not by gravitational or energy forces.
Yet, I sill wonder about the arrow of time. And the comfort that destiny carries with it. | | | | | From: |
Courtney | 2003-09-04 18:27:33 | | Subject: | To every action there is a reaction | | Comment: | We have no freewill! You are right. Your argument was also very good. Here's another theory: To every action there is a reaction then another reaction. Thus every action must be a reaction. So we can trace all our reactions backwards to the beginning of time. When God gave humans freewill Go started a chain reaction. God took an action and Adam and Eve reacted. And we have been reacting ever since! | | | | | From: |
Clayton Carter | 2003-09-05 17:10:06 | | Subject: | Regarding Newton | | Comment: | Action and reaction are two concepts going hand in had - and in fact is really just one concept. But to use the argument of 'God' giving freewill to Adam and Eve is not only making a very presumtious assumtion that freewill was the effect of God's doing. This is an incomplete theory because, according to the above, were God to undertake any action he must have been acted upon to do so, and in the classical christian beliefs God was not created, he simply was. Also for god to exist in the literal sense he must be acting over the course of time and taking up some portion, however small or large, in space; suggesting that at some time God held a point in reality and someone could have litterally found it (him/her). The thought that 'Creation itself demands a creator' is a by product of english grammer (Noun and verb declaritive sentence structure), and the concept although appearing very 'logical' loses its logic when translated into other languages. This doesn't make the declaration illogical, but through deduction it does suggest it is not universally true. This coincides with the theory of form, where everything real and immagined is an eternally existing concept, outside of the realms of space and time.
Secondly accpeting the classic christian thoughts on creation is to also accept the afterlife as a part of reality. Hence the soul conflict comes into play. The soul is not scientifically quatifiable, therefor it also exists outside of our perceptions of reality. Outside of our known universe the same rules of 'cause and effect' do not apply to this eternal soul.
From this I conclude that were god, soul and eternal form true then free will would be an unescapeable byproduct of these. | | | | | From: |
Mike | 2003-09-07 01:52:11 | | Subject: | Sure!!! | | Comment: | Some of us think we have freewill! I thought I did for a while! Then that nasty ole, Chaos keeps raising its head. Just when you think you've made a choice, some parameter changes your choice, it might be imperceptible, at first, but it will catch up to you eventually! SLAP!! OUCH!!! | | | | | From: |
ivan | 2003-09-28 22:42:48 | | Subject: | when it all comes down to it... 1 of 2 | | Comment: | hi. you know this is all very interesting, and it sort of realates to my thoery on conciousness which takes this no freewill concept further, check it out in the conciousness section. but i have noticed something over time and have had a revelation. There are two kinds of people in this world, the philosiphers that say 'there is no freewill/consiousness/god/etc. and heres my proff and your all wrong and all you beleivers are idiots. then theres the people that respond (not to be mean or anythign, bust usually teh less intelligent) and say 'well i beleive i have god/freewill/etc. and i'm happy so stop trying to convince me otherwise'. thats basically all philosophy comes down to, and the answer to it all is happiness. what most people dont see is that all we need to do in life is do whatever makes us happy, if beleiving god will save you makes you happy, and you cant understand all this mumbo jumbo all these philosophers are talkign baout, instead of psoting a comment saying the opposition are all tryign to smart and iwll just go to hell, go for your life! have a great time beleiving god will save you, dont let any of these people ruin your state of extacy, even if it is completely wrong to common sense as long as u beelive it thats fine. thats nto ot say that the people who argue god doesnt exist etc. (like me) are wrong and are just devoid of happiness pagans, some people attain happiness from debating these exact concepts, rather than beleiving in gods anf pxies and fairies. (these people are nearly always teh smarter ones too) and weather u like to accept it or not everyone gets satisfaction from proving other people wrong, thats why we do it :), but it just comes down to do whatever makes oyu happy. | | | | | From: |
ivan | 2003-09-28 22:43:38 | | Subject: | when it lal comes down to it... 2 of 2 | | Comment: | if living in a dream world beleivign in god and freewill makes u happy, go for it. if debating these topics in a forum and tryign non stop to prove each other wrogn makes you happy, then do it till your hearts content. you all need to realize (especially the dream world people, often the less intelligent and accepting ones), that everybody gets their kicks one way or another and their not pagans or heathens just because its not teh same way you get your kicks. | | | | | From: |
Nick | 2003-11-07 17:44:08 | | Subject: | We will always take the best option | | Comment: | I don't really think we have freewill, and i'm not so sure about fate which i will explain. As Humans, we will only take what we percive as the best option for us. For instance, there is a bar of chocolate infront of you, there is a peice of bread next to it. Now, assume that you are not allergic to chocolate, imagine that both of these articles have the same mineral value, the same calories, the same price, not made by a company that you are bycotting etc... but the chocolates taste is better than the bread. Which one would you choose? The chocolate of course. Now, you may think, hang on a sec, i could just as easily pick the bread. Why would you? The only reason you would choose the bread is to disprove this argument, to ultimatly try and prove that we have freewill making yourself feel better as you have influenced others or yourself, this would ultimatly benefit you more than the taste of chocolate and so you would choose the bread option as it benefits you and others most. We will only choose the best choice avaiable. What each of us as individuals would think to be most beneficial are defined by our own individual personalitys, experiances and general ignorence. Murders are comitted because the people comitting them feel they would gain out of it, whether it be revenge or greed. I'm convinced that if we truely did have freewill, we would be choosing random choices, i.e murdering someone for no distinct reason, not for money, not for revenge and not to disprove this argument. About fate, i'm not really sure if fate exists. Some choices in life that we 'make' are equal in the terms that both choices would benefit us and others as much as each other. Therefore, these decisions we make will be based on a random choice. | | | | | From: |
Hera | 2003-11-11 21:05:30 | | Subject: | THe greater truth | | Comment: | How can you possibly believe we dont have free will when youpercieve yourself having free will.
what is reality
reality is what you percieve, any thing besides what you percieve is mearly speculation.
I percieve myself having free will
therefor my reality says i have free will. even if i have an alien controling my desicions or my mind is totaly irelivant, | | | | | From: |
Hera | 2003-11-11 21:10:20 | | Subject: | quantum physics | | Comment: | besides,what you were saying about atoms...what about quantum phisics.in quantum physics things happen (or dont happen) for no apparent reason, totally unpredictable. so if you use science for the basis ofyour argument then that can kinda fa;; though. besides you cant honestly say that science has the answer for everything, or that it can predict everything. | | | | | From: |
Ivan | 2003-11-12 04:32:28 | | Subject: | ??? | | Comment: | you knwo its funny, peopel like hera have this strange happy idea in their head that whatever tehy beleive is true. this is not teh case. the concept of freewill itself is illogical. we perceive things and we react to them in accordance with our personality which is derived from our memory. therefore we are just liek a computer. freewill is just an expression to represent taht people will make different choices based on thier personality. this is all it can be, it cnat be naything more because we are not anything more. what your sayign is if i beleive i can fly then i can fly. and no, that doesnt happen, just incase oyu were plannign to tell me it will. | | | | | From: |
Ian Manns | 2004-01-19 08:45:01 | | Subject: | Freewill | | Comment: | Atoms are a purely mental construct. Not to realize this is to continue to run a faulty program. Having been told this then mind can investigate this new knowledge and initialize a new program by letting go of errors. Mind is king! If one allows mind to give rise to this new program free from the initial materialistic error then the program runs without error uninterruptedly. To find out how to do this email me. | | | | | From: |
BeLLa | 2004-01-22 19:15:12 | | Subject: | Fate Vs. Freewill | | Comment: | ok... fate...there is not fate.. no one or 'force' can control your life and have some pre-determined path set out for you.. you are the one that controls your fate.. ie. ur freewill.. you have the power to do what you want to do..when you want and where ever you want.. the only thing that might hold you back is fear.. unless its something illegal..lets hope not.. but whatever..to some extent.. one could believe in fate.. such as..there is a reason to why i came across this website when i should be studying for my exam for tomorrow.. and theres a reason to why im writting to you..it is the freewill that i am doing this.. but its the fate that this message is actually chaning yours and my path in life without you or me even acknowledging it.. i believe the idea of fate can only take you so far.. but your power and will to do something must come into play.. or your life will not be successful..you will not have lived the way you wished to.. if thats possible to wish to live a life a certain way. i think the key thing to keep in mind is that we only live once.. and you only get one chance at everything.. you screw up.. u learn from it and move on..your not coming back on this earth so live while you can nd follow ur heart not ur mind* have a nice life* good luck! ;) | | | | | From: |
Robert Dankinson | 2004-02-08 03:54:17 | | Subject: | About you ideas | | Comment: | I think that you are an individual whose observations are clever, (if nothing else), and your beliefs are based on absolutely nothing. If Freud was here today to read what you have written, he would amuse that you are a first grader and have given him a careful render of a horse which more closely resembles a cow. What you have written (while in your best efforts) is absolutely intellectual gibberish. I hope you succeed as a vacuum sales man or as a gas station attendee!! | | | | | From: |
BathtubShitter | 2004-04-28 15:21:27 | | Subject: | determinitive? no | | Comment: | Systemic freewill within a biomechanistic organism, in accordance to contemporary physics, is actually quite a bit more probablistic than determinitive | | | | | From: |
Saahil | 2004-11-26 23:00:58 | | Subject: | Depends on how you define 'me' | | Comment: | Its an interesting way to look at it. Very pessimistic but depressing. See buddy, Einstien and Shakespeare and Picasso lived in the same world yet they seemed to do a hell lot more. Sure what we do is a result of the inputs we get from the world processed through our brain. You want to go ahead and compare us to a progam fair enough but you must be talking about one help of a programmer. Does that then make it artificial intelligence or natural logic. Youre unique, so am I. You could perhaps even programme a program to be random but not to a level where you have billions of them all over each capable of making unpredictable, surprising decisions. I know I'm making less sense witht the second but if you ddont like it F*#K OFF. See..... unpredictable | | | | | From: |
Helen | 2004-12-06 20:41:01 | | Subject: | That's true but we still have freewill. | | Comment: | I believe that everything is caused but freewill still exists. I'm not exactly a compatabilist either - I think that their seperate definition is dodging the question by changing it. According to the hard determinist, YOU cannot make a choice because YOU are wholly influenced by past experiences and genetics. In that case, who is this YOU? I know that I am certainly influenced by my genes and experiences, but I have incorporated them into who I consider myself to be. As I grow, I have more experiences and gain more knowledge, changing as a person. And it is this person, experiences and all, that makes decisions, even though they may be caused. They are still my decisions. | | | | | From: |
Ivan Gorleik | 2005-05-25 13:15:56 | | Subject: | The Real Truth | | Comment: | Causality is a phenomenon whereby one cause is the effect of another. This axiom or assumption forms the foundation of orthodox physics; if all causes are known, then theoretically all effects can be known and predicted with absolute certainty. Causality cannot begin or end itself because, by definition, in a purely linear system1 every cause is the effect of another preceding it, a “causal chain” that extends forever into the past.
In truth, a causal chain is finite; it begins and ends with choice. Freewill is the only true cause; all else is purely effect. Thus, freewill is both beginning and end; causality merely mitigates and facilitates freewill by creating consequence from choice. From a physics standpoint, choice arises when indeterminate quantum states are made definite by the wave-collapsing ability of consciousness2. Nonlinear systems are sensitive enough to translate quantum causes into classical effects, thereby allowing consciousness to initiate linear causal chains extending into the macroscopic world3.
Without multiple choices, there is just causality. When you perceive only one choice or one effect, you become a passive link in a causal chain initiated by someone else. The more knowledge and understanding you have, the more genuine choices you see, and the greater your role becomes as cause rather than effect. It is lack of knowledge that places one under the influence of causality. You cannot change what you cannot see, because without seeing you cannot choose.
Therefore FREEWILL EXISTS!!! | | | | | From: |
Jeff | 2005-08-08 12:15:27 | | Subject: | free will to a point | | Comment: | i wasnt beliveing you at all i thought that i had complete controle over every thing i did then as i read it i relized i was smoking a cigerette (out a freewill) but i didnt have to think about smoking i just did i had reached it my drawer pulled out a pack lite it without even stop my reading once i relized this it changed my perspective it could have been freewill but then why didnt i consionsly think about it. it could have been laws a physics or my dumass addiction. we cant possibly comprehend every thing and think about it and process it at the same time our brains need to rest. so i think we have a subconsious just to aid us along or freewill to a point. | | | | | From: |
ashi | 2005-10-16 07:06:06 | | Subject: | free will | | Comment: | i don't understand how you can take such a reductionistic point of view.All of our actions are predertermined by atoms? i would like to get the link to some of these experiments that you have quoted. but given no name for. so i guess im not really typing this now am i. my sub-consious is. which is also not typing because it has no free will. so i guess there are no words written here and that your perfectly right. | | | | | From: |
Ballad | 2005-10-25 07:41:06 | | Subject: | YOU SO STOLE MY IDEA | | Comment: | I came up with this EXACT idea when I was twleve... I put it in writing when I was 14... I posted it on the internet at 15... and now I'm pissed because I just discovered how unoriginal I am. hahaha.
Oh well, all you people who said 'It can't be I'm making a choice now'... I have a favor of you..
Pick one or two?
Doesn't matter what you picked, the subconcious mind is believed to work in a patern of recolections... like he said 'I don't know what was making the desision' it was your brain remember all your past in an instant... anything it was 'reminded' of came to your subconcious... this led to a thought of either 'one' or 'two'.
That is what he means.. not that you can't make the decision... because if you believe you make it, you might as well. Free will DOES exsist... it's just an illusion created by another sense as I call it. Your brain does not make decisions.. it more 'feels' them. and makes you FEEL like you're doing whatever it is you do, because of free will.
Sorry This is kinda eclectic.. it's 2:40 in the morning... anyways. Email me: Bldsnprx@gmail.com if you read this, because I want to talk about this and I probly wont come here again. | | | | | From: |
Ballad | 2005-10-25 09:40:22 | | Subject: | I lied! I'm gunna leave one more post! | | Comment: | Lol, so I came back, oh well.. it's like 4:37 now... anyways... imagine a machine that could calculate every possible atom and electron motion... =D
Assuming no one ever saw the results to the analysis (because this would contaminate the data) this machine could calculate the future, and the past. (Assuming it had EVERY peice of matter PERFECTLY mapped) =D | | | | | From: |
Wil | 2006-01-15 15:59:38 | | Subject: | freewill | | Comment: | There are more responders that believe that they have absolute freewill than believe that they have none. My question to the former is;
' Can a person have absolute freewill without having all of the possible choices that may now, or at any time in the future, be a choice?'
While I may disagree with your reasoning as to why freewill is a myth, I agree with your conclusion. | | | | | From: |
jackie | 2006-01-25 16:07:42 | | Subject: | freewill | | Comment: | I don't think that we realy have freewill!!! | | | |
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