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From:	MadPole	2002-11-11 02:47:10
Subject:	Logic
Comment:	Has the author of the article above considered the possibility that Logic is God? HAR HAR HAR HAR... I don't think so, it wouldn't be very logical thing to do, would it now?
From:	Thomas channing	2003-08-22 06:59:57
Subject:	WORDS EXIST BY NATURE
Comment:	The proof that god exist is acepting the fact that WORDS EXIST BY NATURE. I know this is true. I've searced the ancient books and the Bible for more than 20 years. The ancient books talk a lot about words. Everyone seems to think they are talking about something else. They say they are neither hot or cold.(WORDS) They are eternal having no beginning and no end.(WORDS) They have no form or matter.(WORDS) To invent something from nothing is creating. Does Man have the power to creat? DO WORDS EXIST OR NOT? That is the question. If they exist, what are they made of? Can somethingexist that has no matter? GOD is the only one who can do this.
From:	cosmicstargoat	2003-08-31 10:44:37
Subject:	god and circular logic
Comment:	Thomas, were you dizzy after you wrote your post? Your post smacks of religious belief, not logic, evidence to support your claim, or proof. You say that proof is 'accepting'.... Genuine evidence or proof will stand on its own merit, regardless of the acceptance or attitude of whoever views the evidence. Your message contains nothing but WORDS, and not many of them make any sense at all.
From:	Clayton Carter	2003-09-05 17:41:48
Subject:	I know I shouldn't but...
Comment:	there is a re-occuring theme throughout most of the philosophies on this site, Relative philosohpy (or the ignorance it requires to be true). Bold presumtions made on god creating logic etc. brings about more questions on the authors grasp of reality than it does answers to the origin of reality. The '?fact?' of God being real is not logical in the sense of mathematic logic, but is a conclusion that can be drawn about from the human perception. JUST BECAUSE YOU PERCIEVE SOMETHING SOME WAY DOES NOT MAKE IT ANY MORE OR LESS REAL THAN ANYTHING ELSE. TO ASSUME REALITY IS RELATIVE TO MY PERCEPTION IS TO BECOME LOST IN VANITY. For those who don't know super-string theory is a mathematical concept where the going abouts of the universe can be pluged into an equation and predicted or supported. But do to the chaotic nature of energy (which is matter) The universe can never be logical, but eternally locked in a state of direction with respect towards chaos. (ahhh!!!!) So there is no true universal logic, but there is logic with respect to truth which was completely ignored in the argument. Truth>Logic>God>Conscienceness>Man is a more complete relation. In the words of Freidrich Nietzsche 'To recognize untruth as a condition of life - that certainly means resisting accustomed value feelings in a dangerous way; and a philosophy that risks this would by that token alone place itself beyond good and evil.' So to remove oneself from their understanding of the universe; to venture dangerously into a real they do not totally comprehend, but can understand as true - in the real meaning of the WORD - places itself outside the theory of opposites and into truth. What this has to do with god and logic is up to the relativists to relate to themselves.
From:	kip	2004-01-03 02:41:09
Subject:	dork
Comment:	you sir are a dork and use circular logic. It is in the first paragraph of your 'philosophy' It is in the all powerfall god. it states that god is not all powerfall. yet all all powerfall is saying is that he has power over all, and he does, since he has not made something more powerfall then him he still hass all power. If he was to make something more powerfall he would be 2nd in power. but because the lack of that more powerfall being excisting he is still allpowerfall. thus all other parts of your argument are wron g based on the assumptions made in each paragraph there after on the idea of no all powerfall gos.
From:	joseph rice	2004-01-06 12:10:03
Subject:	an excited diety?
Comment:	in regard to the subject of God, it is my belief that God cannot be prompted, incited, provoked or sitmulated. ergo, there could never have been an instance where something other than 'The Perfect God' exists or existed! Joseph Rice
From:	NK	2004-01-31 09:13:42
Subject:	God's existence
Comment:	Interesting article on non-existence of god(s). I hope the items below add a certain broader perspective. ---- Logical notions amenable to humans are structures built from axioms.These axiomatic notions are intuitive and unprovable by definition. Let the number of such axioms which are used for creating logical structures be N in number; naturally, any redundancy, is assumed to have been resovled/removed. Now let at least one of these axioms be removed. One can now generate logical structures using these (N-1) axioms. The number of possible higher logical contructs (a thought experiment) should be a sub-set of the earlier one. Further, let physical entities exists which can operate on these logical contructs and structures. Such entities in essence will be unable to comprehend (find logical i.e.,) the super set's higher structures which were created using that extra axiom. continued....
From:	NK	2004-01-31 09:15:19
Subject:	God's existence
Comment:	Continued.... In the human/computer species, there has been no reason stated, to make one believe that all knowable axioms are being employed. Thus we are like the above mentioned entities who simply cannot fathom/comprehend a different (higher) logical contruct/notion...etc. Lastly assume the notion of god's existence is provable in the higher axiom world. If so, the basis for using logic to remove god(s) may be as limited as the logic being employed. The 'logic' which may be employed to prove/disprove god's existence may be a thing of the future whence a more intelligent entity is capable of fathoming it's syntax and associated semantics. Until one uses present notions of logic to disprove/prove the existence of a god, the above mentioned possiblity of axiom status would, in general,have to taken into consideration. This amounts to saying that a formal proof, maybe using set theory, needs to be take shape (rather than words alone); Related URLs: http://www.rhfweb.com/russel (comensurate w/ your views) http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/writing/infapp.htm thanks, nk ---
From:	tyler borrelli	2004-05-22 06:35:54
Subject:	god is gay
Comment:	i think god is gay and there is no logical explanation to prove him to be real so there is no reason for me to believe in god so i think he is gay.First of all, what I mean by the term 'Atheist', is that I do not believe that any deity is probable, nor do I believe that any deity that I have ever heard of is possible. While I do not claim omniscience--and can, therefore, not absolutely rule out the existence of some sort of deity--I feel confident that my definition will identify me as an atheist to the vast majority of the populace (and thus avoid the confusion which often results from the use of term Agnostic
From:	tyler godwinsson	2004-05-22 06:41:45
Subject:	i know god
Comment:	I AM GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!that has more meaning than u think.
From:	tyler godwinsson	2004-05-22 06:48:50
Subject:	why we expand
Comment:	I acknowledge the privilege of being alive in a human body at this moment, endowed with senses, memories, emotions,a mark out of profound appreciation for my existence. Share your presence with others, no boundaries, completely openly lovingly. Love is what makes us alive, that is why we feel so alive when we love. Service is being available to love. Life is the combustion of love. That we love ourselves here, that is the true magnificence in the mountains of being. We are constantly drawing the line between love and not love--enter into the Non-duality Zone, and all judgements dissolve in the Vast Expanse. It's as though we are co-conspirators of consciousness--everyone, everywhere, everywhen, mixing up our openable minds. It's as though we could gather clouds in the sky and people into our lives. Like an eruption of consciousness, we discover the most important force is love. Experience yourself as the Source and appreciate every moment as perfection. Sunrise--Sunset. Thank you, Thank you, Creator, profound unstoppable connectedness of all beings, pattern to everything, most radical no-thing, the Vast Expanse.
From:	Igor D`Mitrovich Rogelja	2004-05-26 11:22:54
Subject:	Logic and God
Comment:	I believe this part of your argument is flawed:' If there was no logic then god cannot be said logically to have existed at all, as the state of existence is a logical one. If god could not be said to have existed then it is logically a fallacy to state that he did exist before logic existed. Therefore god could not have invented logic.' Before I go any deeper, please understand I fundamentally agree with you, which is all the more reason to say this. You cannot claim that the state of existence is a logical one. Why? One could easily argue that logic is but a mere tool that the imperfect human needs to grasp the divine. Furthermore, saying that God is intelligent is another mistake. So is that he is allpowerful. The correct expression would be absolute, which is quite different. That many believers think god is allpowerful and intelligent, well, that's just their problem. But nevertheless, as I said earlier, I do agree with you, but your reasoning still needs some work. Explaining away god is much harder than it seems. Good luck!
From:	Juaneyne	2004-06-12 02:57:41
Subject:	Logic and God
Comment:	God can fit into science you are talking but have you forgoten the law of conservation of energy? I assume you know what that is so energy wasnt created right? Neither was God. Energy cannot be destroyed right? Neither can God. Think about it.
From:	Matt Oatley	2004-09-15 08:06:43
Subject:	God is a logical God yes
Comment:	first, i understand and am a firm believer in the importance of logic. it is logic that allows us evangelists to show a sinner his absurdity and preach the good word. in your whole equation here, which may seem infallible, you have not accounted for a God that is an 'eternal being'. an eternal being has no start and has no end. thus has no personal creation. God was not created by anything. he simply exists and is inherently logical. then he decides to MAKE man in his own image... giving him the ability to be logical and in turn wield logic for His (God's) purposes. You don't seem to have any faith at all... faith is believing in something you can't see, feel, or explain. God has not kept himself a mystery to us simply cause he wants to stay 'all-powerful', its just that our feeble minds couldn't comprehend God even if He did reveal every mystery. So instead He reveals parts of his character to us at key moments in time. An eternal God IS all-powerful! I mean... what seems more powerful to you... a god that controls everything and can turn everyone on to his side with the snap of his fingers, in order to be victorious?.... or a God that gives the world the ability (freewill) to rebel against Him and yet is still victorious in the end? i believe the latter is more powerful. just a few thoughts and a little faith :) if you wanted to go deeper... If you don't know my God... then you cannot reason rationally. thus you are irrational. and anything that follows out of an irrational source is therefore irrational. so by not knowing God, all your reasoning is irrational and therefore reduced to utter folly and absurdity. Grace and Peace, -matt
From:	ben	2004-09-17 22:44:05
Subject:	basic points
Comment:	1: God created the world in six days, and rested on the seventh? Why does an all powerful being need to rest? 2: This is for christians. Jesus died because of humans sins. God took all his wraith out on jesus. Wraith is a sin is it not? How can an all powerful perfect being sin? I thought god was perfect. 3: This is the one that really does my nut in. Consider the following hyperthetical situation. I've lived away from all humanity all my life and then one day stumble across humans. I see a great deal of humans practise religion so logic dictates to me that its a good idea to have a religion. So i decide to begin practising a religion. How do i make an informed descison on which one to choose? Christianity of Muslim etc.? The answer is i can't. I must make an inital illogical decision to choose one. I find it facsinating that millions of people are christians and there are millions of people who are muslims. They both say that the other religion is rubbish when in fact not only do they not have a method of proving this, but more importantly they have no way of proving that their own God/Gods exist. At this point logic slaps me in the face and says - don't belive in religion.
From:	Surik	2004-10-06 17:29:55
Subject:	God is Logic
Comment:	Logic is not greater than God, nor is God greater than Logic. This is because the two are identical, as Logic is both omnipotent (dictating everything) and can in a way be thought of as self-aware (Logic is an idea, as such it requires the existence of a mind to exist). As this are the fundamental defining attributes of God it would follow that they are identical to each other. This concept does require an intriguing metaphysics as well though if God is to be thought to be in anyway real. Everything must be reducible to a mathematical or platonic form of reality if God is to be real. This possibility appears strange as it would reduce everything in reality down to what we think of as abstract concepts, but there are some arguments that confirm it. First of all, if everything has a logical explanation as hard rationalism would suggest, then the universe would have to be started from Logic and nothing else. Now by itself and with nothing else Logic can only produce statements based on inherently true premises. If this is the case then everything must be fundamentally made of these statements or of information if you will. Thus because everything is made of information and information is an abstract concept everything must be reducible to abstract concepts. Secondly, this idea that everything is made of information has backing in physics. The holographic principle which is a primary concept in the theories of quantum gravity says that fundamentally everything is comprised of information, thus supporting this hypothesis. Live long and prosper. ~Surik
From:	God	2005-02-09 22:06:52
Subject:	I AM GOD! hi everybody!
Comment:	well, i do not exist, but this fucking christian (and the other religious as well) keep creating spooky-beings, that comands all, bah, fuck them... i just wanna live my life and have sure that what i come to believe - better saying conclude - is true. And every time i know more religious people, i think that they just want to have a permantent imaginary-friend that can do everything to minimize the truth´s pain in their screwed lives... thats all folks, I DO NOT EXIST LONG LIVE - BETTER SAYING ETERNAL LIVE - THE ATHEISM!
From:	Brandon Gray	2005-05-07 18:55:07
Subject:	God vs Logic
Comment:	You said that god is not all powerful, since he cant make something more powerful than himself. But in you also say that there must have been a time god lived without logic in the world if he created everything, including logic. I would think that if there was no logic, you can't say god couldn't create a stronger image of himself,since that is logical.It would take logic to make that impossible. This argument I am writing if is true would also mean that logic never was always there, as the you said.So god may have created logic on Earth, but may not necessarily made every place logical. In this sense Jesus and his miracles could be explained. You said logic was information,which I also agree with. But maybe before logic was made there was a mixed up sort of information which is no logic.God may have invented logic because in the non logical world he may be in, he is all powerful.I also agree that you can't have intelligence without information, but you can have information without logic.Without logic there would be no numbers or even a meaning to the world like you said. But there would still be a information, in which a god could process and make a new more logical world with.An example for this information could be as a god may think, since everything is all messed up, so I should make a less messed up one. And because there's no logic, he could be powerful enough to do so.But later also in the article if people read they may agree with you that you can't invent logic and information from scratch.But my theory is agreeing with what you said earlier in the article. Without logic there is no numbers or correct calculations.Therefore I conclude that if god lived in a world without logic he surely could have created one.
From:	Shteean	2005-06-26 17:40:21
Subject:	WORDS again - VIBRATIONS
Comment:	I don't know the details of the superstring theory or any other form of advanced mechanics, but i've picked up some 'rumors'... the string theory sais that string vibration is the cause of atoms (or smaller particles?) existing or something like that, am i right? anyway you've got the basic energy that vibrates at different frequencies, thus producing energy of different qualities, like light & matter. the movements (vibrations) have basically the same spiralling tendencies, or circular if we take away the time dimension. just like matter. now one of the biblical definitions of god is from genesis, 'the word'. actually this is a translation of an older vedic definition (as in hinduism), 'shabda brahman' or 'sound brahman' (brahman being the ultimate reality). the theory is that everything material has its shape and qualities due to the resonation of a sound. some shapes can be percieved as more harmonic than others, much like sound can be harmonic in different ways (music vs noise). now the link between sound and shape is quite provable.for those in doubt, i recommend checking out the science of CYMATICS (try googling that or HANS JENNY). as it occurs, some vowels produced by human voice (common within 'sacred' languages like hebrew or sanskrit) can make more symmetric/geometric/harmonic patterns. mantras contain sounds like these. (the human voice contains many frequencies that can co-relate harmonically.) anyway, 'word' or 'sound' could perhaps be a way of explaining VIBRATION of energy in general... and especially the frequencies that become harmony and perhaps produce the more orderly phenomenon. so in this perspective, if anything, God must be the order of harmonics. does that mean GOD IS LOGIC? i don't know. i need some food now. phew!
From:	Shteean	2005-06-26 18:28:18
Subject:	er...
Comment:	ok my previous entry was full of weird and incomplete conclusions. and probably some bad english. but try to look at the essence of it.... i'm a sound and music freak, hence the obsession... other than that, i just wanted to say that i believe logic the way we think of it, is just that. HUMAN logic. things could be a lot more fuzzy than we think. when i say harmony, it could mean what little harmony we are able to filter out of the whole noise of EVERYTHING. and then it all comes down to what we percieve as meaningful and beautiful.
From:	Ryad	2005-07-31 11:39:16
Subject:	God
Comment:	It is impossible to prove or disprove whether God exists. But the incomprehensible vastness,complexity,variety and order in the universe provide overwhelming evidence that there is a higher power, a supreme intelligence who - or which - made the laws which run the universe. Here's the paradox: Either the universe has always existed, or it was created out of nothing by an entity which has always existed. My feeble brain cannot accomodate either option.
From:	Vision	2005-08-19 02:42:51
Subject:	Unreal
Comment:	Sometimes I wonder how things happen. Is it the vibe in your soul? The choices we verbally take action on? Many ? Where are the answers? Is it possible to Hear things comming from dimention to the other? Project reality? The coincidence? How is the timeing perfected? I have yet to come in contact. Sad in eyes. C the time is near.
From:	Vision	2005-08-19 02:46:14
Subject:	Unreal
Comment:	Sometimes I wonder how things happen. Is it the vibe in your soul? The choices we verbally take action on? Many ? Where are the answers? Is it possible to Hear things comming from dimention to the other? Project reality? The coincidence? How is the timeing perfected? I have yet to come in contact. Sad in eyes. C the time is near.
From:	Cazzure	2005-10-14 10:36:22
Subject:	hmm.. passed by and..
Comment:	As human beings, we have seem to have this desire to know, this desire to comprehend, understand and grasp the universe which we find ourselves stuck in, at the same time being bugged by what possible reason/(un/non)reasons that exist for us being here in the first place. *** The Questions. I think that instead of debating first whether a/the God/Divine exists or not, the question first is this: 'What is the truth to you?' Meaning, if you truly want to know the truth, how far are you willing to go in terms of belief and search? Assuming you really want to know, then the next question is, what are you willing to risk? Your previous beliefs? Your sanity? Your Ego? Assuming you answered you are ready to risk enough, your next question should be, from who's perspective do you wish to find out about God and the Divine? Christians'? Buddhists' perhaps? Assume you wish to know if the Christian God is the True God. Then, my friend, you will first have to Believe that he exists. Why? Because to Believe in the Christian God is to accept that understanding comes AFTER faith. (Thank the medieval philosophers like St. Augustine, Anselm, etc for that). What about the others? Well, for one, if you were to study the subject closely, you might find it interesting that the Muslim, Jewish and Christian faiths (the three largest faiths in the world, at the moment) have certain striking similarities. Allah just means God. They say Peace be With You. Mohammed(mad? sorry, not sure of the spelling) was just a messenger, remember. Angels have been mentioned in all of them. Etc.
From:	Cazzure	2005-10-14 10:37:56
Subject:	cont'd ^^
Comment:	*** The Point What is my point? well, just as i mentioned at the start, even when the interpretations we have of what we discover are highly logical, or severely abstract, we must not forget two things. 1) we are looking at it from our own human eyes and minds. 2) we thus may just have multiple subjective INTERPRETATIONS (not truths) of a certain concept. THEREFORE, It is highly possible, we are all just TRYING to interpret and talk about the same part/whole objective truth (because i am under the assumption that we, as humans in this era, still do not have the ability to grasp universal truths, but, alas, that is an assumption i have, but i am going ahead of myself.), but end up (perhaps due to our innate differences in perception) with multiple interpretations.
From:	Cazzure	2005-10-14 10:47:36
Subject:	final part!
Comment:	Implication. Therefore, God exists. Therefore, God doesn't exist. Therefore, I don't care. Therefore, I do. We can go on and on. But in the end, ponder this. There will always be certain spiritual experiences, concepts and occurrences that will defy logical explanation, whatever your religion may be. just as there will always be a tendency to doubt the interpretation of others, even institutions, on doctrines of faith, 'truth', etc. can you deny either? i don't think so. What then is the solution? well, i guess here is where it gets sticky, because its more a matter of personal prefence. you want to be a self-serving egoist? an ubermench in the making? a 'hell is the other' person? a 'let us glorify individualism' existentialist/postmodernist? fine. You want to be a holier-than-thou layman? A 'Jesus is alive' youth leader? an 'i-thou' believer? a zen 'wholistic well being and oneness' person? a critical thinking (maybe), open minded (sort of), philosophy student exercising his mind before writing his thesis (oops, thats me)? fine. But there is one thing we all cannot escape: consequences. choose wisely. in the end, i'm sure we will know the truth, whether we like what we learn or not. good luck. ^^ *** Think what you want. Truth comes out in the end. That is why it is called Truth. *** Hey, it posted!
From:	makavelidon	2005-10-15 06:30:47
Subject:	Load of crap this is
Comment:	geez... i came to this site for 'a beautiful mind' review (which by the way was horrible) and i wanted to see what the reviewer had to say about philosophy. like any other person would, i clicked on the 'god' link first. and i must say this is one of the most naive arguments that i have encountered, the fact that the author of this peice of crap tried to discuss (more like impose) what he regards as sophisticated idea is just revoltingly juvenile. do you actually understand the concept of infinity? it is an abstract idea, no such number exists (as you yourself stated) but you treat it as if it is comparible with other (abstract) ideas. the argument is fundamentally flawed in many ways. im an atheist but arguments like this makes my pre-teen skepticism look godly and 'logical'
From:	Thomas Channing	2005-12-20 20:50:26
Subject:	Logic
Comment:	Exactly! I couldn't of said it better>
From:	Thomas Channing	2005-12-20 21:17:52
Subject:	I know God exist
Comment:	It's not up to us to believe or not. God exist whether we believe or not. This is a fact. Acceptance is our choice. You can read these facts on this website. www.freewebs.com/keyofsee/ Excuse my grammer, I'm not God.
From:	Andreamer	2006-01-08 18:47:10
Subject:	about the philosophy area
Comment:	haha, you're cool. but logic is a logical concept after all, is it not?
From:	Billy Henderson	2006-01-11 00:41:54
Subject:	Your stupid article
Comment:	I by no means wish to imply that YOU are stupid. However, your little article on God needing logic is stupid. That's about all the piece deserves in response.
From:	Gary Condit	2006-05-12 17:58:28
Subject:	Wrong Logic....
Comment:	When you say an all powerful God could not create another god with more power you are logicaly incorect. You are forgeting the 4th dimention; time. An all powerful God can create anything they want, they are all powerfull, but as soon as they created something more powerful (at that point) they become not all powerful...see.. no paradox....thus your argument fails...logicaly speaking... :(
From:	Paul Kok	2006-06-30 03:49:09
Subject:	God exsists
Comment:	Your concept of an all-powerful God that needs logic but logic does not need a god. Was profoundly entertaining and possibly much too copious for the diminutive comprehension of the common populous. But never the less aroused my humorous notions. (And I got a big kick out of your website) None the less one fundamental error in your philosophical point, and I quote your statement…. ”Likewise I will ASSUME that you cannot invent anything if logic doesn't exist”.(this is word for word thanks to the Microsoft copy and past tool) The bases of your Paradoxical philosophy or shall I say the foundation of your debate is that you assume and we all know that to ass u me makes an ass- out- of- U & Me. But on a more fundamental serious note, if you wish to converse. A fundamental, foundational requirement of the omnipresent omnipotent one true God is…(that was a mouthful) “Without faith it is impossible to please God” Therefore if we prove that He exists then we will not need faith therefore we cannot please God. If we can’t please God then we defy the very reason of our assistance. “He created us for his good pleasure”. Your comments please (but please don’t ass u me anything)
From:	Altaf	2006-09-23 11:31:57
Subject:	God Yes/No?
Comment:	well, no one seems to be sure of existance of God and niether anyone saw God, but is not it God a super logic, I mean God created this universe (logic too), but the secret to all this myth is something God didn't left a clue for the humans?
From:	butthead	2006-12-23 17:53:40
Subject:	lol
Comment:	is this an atheist site? i'm a 13 year old atheist :D
From:	boo	2007-02-17 18:23:00
Subject:	all powerful god
Comment:	By defanition if God is all powerful he/she/it could not make something more powerful because there could not be something more powerful than all powerful as this encompasses everthing so your statement is not so much a paradox but faulty logic
From:	kathryn	2007-10-29 01:24:15
Subject:	logic vs god which came first pole
Comment:	In my opinion I think neither can exist without the other. Someone needed to create logic for it to be in place but you need logic to 'create'. This is one of the reasons I personally do not believe in a 'Greater Being'.
From:	Phil	2007-11-23 03:21:51
Subject:	God or Logic
Comment:	How can someone, like yourself, who is finite and bounded understand someone who is infinite and who may or may not be bounded? (Some say his perfection is a bound). To a religious person logic might be a consequence of creation. In this case logic would tell them something about God?
From:	michael	2008-02-14 04:30:22
Subject:	logic or god; who came first.
Comment:	It is illogical to assume that one thing or another must have been first. The idea that something must have created or influenced to cause creation etc etc is itself an illogical assumption. why can't we assume or accept the fact that everything was just there without beginning or end? yes god was just there without beginning, yes mankind also was just there without beginning because mankind is actually god himself. the universe and this world is a figment of gods imagination and mankind including yourself is god who purposely became oblivious to the fact that we are god(s) why make something that you can't use? this life is something like a natural computer graphic universe created by ourselves who are in actuality god(s) to stem the boredom of not doing nothing and just being....Logic is just there to keep us from figuring this out easily...and to create a false sense of understanding just incase some of us god(s) try to figure out what existence is all about. basically, we are god who do not have a beginning or end....all the assumptions of the worlds origin seems like it make sense because we used logic to fabricate those assumptions. and yes logic has a way of solidifying our assumptions. It was purposely designed that way by god (ourselves) so that we will take this game called life seriously so that we will enjoy it to the fullest..something like playing a game at a arcade., you dedicate your attention to the game more if you only have one quarter left. thus illusion of death was created to spice up this life..
From:	E+L;D=aleph0	2008-03-19 04:53:11
Subject:	god & logic combined
Comment:	if god hypothetically existed than i believe that god must come before logic because logic is created by the perception of one/many. herego, it takes a form of intellect to have logic. logic is aquired by perceptions. logic cannot only be percieved but gained thru knowledge and understanding of variables.
From:	E+L;D =aleph0	2008-03-19 05:18:25
Subject:	GOD <exist vs. non-existance>
Comment:	how can someone believe that god exists? and for that matter how can someone belive that god doesn't exist? there is no truth in believing either, simply because there are no facts or truths only perceptions based on what one can comprehend. perceptions are neither true or false. people say they have seen him? people say that he doesn't exist? bahh this is only neglegence in understanding the difference between truth and an individuals understanding. so in conclusion i believe it is illogical to assume either because there is no existing proof other than that of a fukin billion different versions of people translating something that cant be confirmed as truth
From:	Kj35779	2008-06-18 03:16:58
Subject:	Possibilities
Comment:	If time doesn't exist then beginning and end of things are just all in the now. We just processes it slower giving the illusion of the existence of time. This could stretch the possibilities of things appearing to be on our level black in white and we miss all the details outside of our current understanding. But that would have to be proven either way. If science can disprove the existence of time it could open up an avenue of all kinds of things. We might even understand what life is really about.. Maybe even understand what god really is if he is at all. Maybe the term God all together is misunderstood. Can such a power of force be confined in anyone space at one time?
From:	Kj35779	2008-06-18 03:44:12
Subject:	Possibilities
Comment:	If time doesn't exist then beginning and end of things are just all in the now. We just processes it slower giving the illusion of the existence of time. This could stretch the possibilities of things appearing to be on our level black in white and we miss all the details outside of our current understanding. But that would have to be proven either way. If science can disprove the existence of time it could open up an avenue of all kinds of things. We might even understand what life is really about.. Maybe even understand what god really is if he is at all. Maybe the term God all together is misunderstood. Can such a power of force be confined in anyone space at one time?