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god of the absurd
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From:	black and silver	2002-08-11 09:07:01
Subject:	your brain on god....
Comment:	Dude, you are so going to have a cerebral hemmorhage if you continue on that vein!(get it:hemmorhage, vein?) Ok mathematics, man made. Religion: man made. Laws of physics: man made Concept of time: man made Nature: NOT man made People: NOT man made Copulation: available but was it MAN made or did we just show up screwing as a natural instinct like...eating? Eating: see above So basically, except for us and the universe, nothing counts because that's all our little quirky inventions.Now we can intellectually masturbate the issues or smoke a joint and listen to some Pink Floyd.I choose the hemp and tunes! After thousands of years and nothing conclusive I think we're just here to learn how to CHILL and enjoy the moment@
From:	Sól	2003-01-05 10:37:58
Subject:	religion and logic? :-/ hmm
Comment:	i just arrived back from the planet X. me and my crew had an amazing adventure there, but it held ideas perhaps far too advanced for us. for example, from their faucets spelt a certain '7 UP'. it really did depend on whos house you visited, they all had very different kinds of liquids; none of which we, from the planet Early Earth, had ever seen. there was a greater difference in our worlds than that even. there was an obvious difference in our ppls. they were the first to bring this up. their chief (i assumed) asked me what it was that made the appearance of my ppl so different and somehow appealing. i knew what he spoke of. our hair was not oily, our wastes not thick. we had a kind of energy shining through us that these ppl had never before seen. i began to tell them stories of my earth. i spoke of the greenery we ate, instead of these facinating 'sour cream and onion chips'.
From:	Sól	2003-01-05 10:39:20
Subject:	cont..
Comment:	i explained to them the work we had to undergo when we craved meat of an animal. the ppl reacted to all of this with astonishment, until i spoke of water. 'it is a clear substance that refreshes us entirely when we have been drained of our energy' i told them, 'without which we would have few or none of the attributes that catch your eyes as they do'. the chief wondered at this, 'water you call it? this may just change our lives. what does it look like so that we may retrieve some for ourselves?' 'it is clear,' i told them again. 'clear?' he struggled, 'i don't get it.. well then, what does it taste like?' 'well,' i started back, 'it has no taste' i began to worry he would think me a lie. 'no taste you say? well now, it must have a smell..' he eyed me. 'no my friend. it has no smell' 'WELL WHAT IS THIS STUFF SO WONDERFUL THAT MAKES YOUR PPL SO DIFFERENT FROM MINE?!' i looked at him closely. in his eyes grew an unfamiliar trait of the plant Early Earth. 'i can not explain water. to begin to understand it you must have it for yourself. it offers like traits for all of you, but you must first sip of it. you then tell me what it is to you.'
From:	jorge	2003-03-09 22:33:08
Subject:	godsofabsurd2
Comment:	The first part at least had some attempt at logic to it. This second part just made no sense. Sol's story however was clear and to the point. Good one Sol ! :)
From:	djcrom	2003-04-01 18:35:06
Subject:	hm
Comment:	you refer to mathematics as being the framework for reality. i prefer to think of mathematics as a set of rules that reality must follow. just my two cents :)
From:	ascetic rationalist	2003-06-23 21:02:31
Subject:	meh...
Comment:	Black and Silver, I scorn your coarse insinuation. Obviously flawed, you state that time is a man made concept. This is an ill advised statement, as you are assuming that by 'time' the author is referring to a numerical measurement representing an interval separating two points on a nonspatial continuum; a duration. Although this is commonly an acceptable day-to-day usage of time, you have mistaken it in the context that it is used. Time, or the nonspatial continuum in which events occur succession from the past through the present to the future, exists whether we can measure it or not.
From:	David	2003-08-06 15:35:47
Subject:	Absurd?
Comment:	I've read your essay 'The Absurd God - Part 2'. I haven't managed to read Part 1 but I intend to soon. You have some valid points, but as a philosopher I intend to address the invalid ones. I will not deal with your good and evil statements until I have read part 1, but I already see fallacy in your statements against the existence of the Divine. So on a quick note, you have defined evil as that which is painful to humans, but in the Bible God defines evil, as that which is contrary to His will. Therefore evil is a consequence of free will, yet predestination is a consequence of foreknowledge. It works out this way, God created a free will creature, yet based on His foreknowledge of that creature’s choices, and He has formulated a plot and end. When you add in the billions of creatures, God has formulated one plot and end using His will and their choices. It's very simple, and very much both, yet you might say that this defies logic, so I will hit that math/logic issue next.
From:	David	2003-08-06 15:36:31
Subject:	Absurd? - Part 2
Comment:	Math and logic are concepts, and their origin is unknown, except that somehow humans got a hold of them. You stated, 'Does math exist if there is nobody to count?' I say yes, the formulas of math exist as long as there is 'something to count'. Even if no one can count, the mathematical formulas exist. Now this gets me to my point, math can exist up to a point, but it is dependent on matter. God is not dependent on matter, so He therefore created math when He created matter. Logic is a different issue, since logic is a formula of rules and is dependent on entities, even entities outside of matter. I say that logic was created when God made the first entity, but we could argue about this one all day, there is no logical way to prove the creation of logic, just like there is no scientific way to prove creation. This brings me to my next point, your use of 'Big bang' as if it is accurate. You claimed that science is backed by repeatable experiment, if that is true then science has no business in the area of creation or evolution, since creation and evolution cannot be repeated.
From:	David	2003-08-06 15:37:07
Subject:	Absurd? - Part 3
Comment:	My next point is where you say, 'where people look for a meaning, they will surely find their meaning...This is where that wishful thinking mechanism called faith comes in handy for them.' Everyone has faith and childish hope, even the scientist as he/she 'searches' for the 'answers' to his/her childlike question. All humans need answers, for this was the very foundation of science, philosophy, and history. You cannot mock the same mentality that founded these studies when it applies to Divinity; that's a double standard, and the very core of hypocrisy. There is plenty of logical evidence for God, like probability. I trust the probability that God made me, more than the probability that living organisms came from dead matter. When it comes down to it, your logic is full of holes, and I'm just pouring some water in the bucket.
From:	cosmicstargoat	2003-08-16 23:27:12
Subject:	free will
Comment:	Free will is a myth and a red herring used by Christians to try to bolster their sagging mythologies. It doesn't work when applied equally and consistently to all their concepts. God could have created free will with the WILL to only do good, after all, god is the template. According to conventional Christian wisdom [sic}, god has never sinned and cannot sin. Why not create a creation with the same attributes? This is one of the huge fundamental flaws with Christianity. The question of free will cannot be consistently addressed, especially if applied to heaven. CSG
From:	cosmicstargoat	2003-08-26 13:35:06
Subject:	Does god rock?
Comment:	After flushing all my e-mail Spam, I had a vision of a riddle. Can an all-powerful god consume enough penis enlargement pills to create a penis that is so long and so heavy that even god can't whack it? Answer this and you have found enlightenment. CSG
From:	cosmicstargoat	2003-08-31 10:37:45
Subject:	Biblical support
Comment:	The Bible itself verifies that god is responsible for evil. Isa:45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. This is the type of verse that Salad Bar Christians <tm> avoid. 'I create evil'...says it all. Why is this god worthy of worship? I repeat, god could have created free will and NOSIN, but he chose to create evil. Why?
From:	Carrie	2003-10-18 11:06:16
Subject:	Thank you!!
Comment:	'...god is 100% responsible for everything...' All I can say to that is Wwwhheeeeeew! What a relief! At least now I can blame somebody else for my failed marriage :)
From:	Jim	2003-11-07 12:21:07
Subject:	Omnipotent Omniscient
Comment:	Thanks for a thought provoking site! One thing I hate (as I think you do too?)... is someone who says they 'know'. My contribution is this... To be all-powerfull it follows that you are all-knowing If an all-knowing God exists, then he must find a way to know what it feels like to not know why he exists. If an all-knowing God exists, then he must find a way to know what it feels like to suffer, while not knowing why he exists. If an all-knowing God exists, then he must find a way to know what it feels like to be happy, while not knowing why he exists. If an all-knowing God exists, then he must find a way to know what it feels like to suffer, in every conceivable way, while not knowing why he exists. If an all-knowing God exists, then he must find a way to know what it feels like to be happy, in every conceivable way, while not knowing why he exists. Maybe that's why we exist? Maybe that's why we may never know why we exist? Who knows? (Not me) :-)
From:	Mike Haynes	2004-02-09 01:54:37
Subject:	science of faith
Comment:	'If minds are wholly dependent on brains, and brains on biochemistry, and biochemistry (in the long run) on the meaningless flux fo the atoms, I cannot understand how the thought of those minds should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees.' C.S. Lewis The Weight of Glory Without God reason is meaningless, so how can you use it to disprove His existance. You should read C.S. Lewis, I suggest The Weight of Glory or Mere Christianity.
From:	simplyput Jesus Saves	2004-03-15 12:32:17
Subject:	hell
Comment:	Hell is Real... Don't be fooled! People don't like to hear about hell. But I'm here to tell you that if Jesus is not your Lord and Savior, you are on your way to hell. Some of you will be upset at this bad news. You think that I'm all gloom and doom. Tell me this...if your house were on fire, would you want me to let you know? Of course you would. You'd probably thank me for telling you. Well, if you go to hell, YOU will be the one on fire. Hell may not be a politically correct topic these days, but many people enter hell everyday. Out of the 120,000 people that die everyday, most end up in hell. Hell is a real place despite the fact that people laugh and say that they want to go there. They simply don't understand how terrible hell is. Just because you've never seen hell doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We have a searing, accurate description of what hell is like in God's word. (We'll get to some scriptures in a minute) Hell is awful and if you don't believe in Jesus, you'd better get on the stick or else that's going to be your eternal destination. Satan, the god of this world, WILL NOT always cause havoc. His doom is already foretold, 'And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.' (Revelation 20:10) Did you know that if you do not belong to Jesus Christ you belong to Satan? You don't have to be a card carrying Satanist to serve Satan. You don't have to be a murderer, drunkard or drug addict, either. All you have to do is ignore Jesus Christ. If you don't have Jesus today, you are deceived and hell bound--you are a child of hell, a child of the devil.
From:	Ari Wilson	2004-04-23 04:22:27
Subject:	You are no Bertrand Russell.
Comment:	Honestly, have you had any formal training in philosophy? Almost every claim you make is highly objectionable, controversial, totally unqualified and sometimes even just plain false. Although I disagree with much of Bertrand Russell's philosophy, at least I can appreciate the time he put into it and the difficulty it takes to counter his arguments to any sort of effect. I would suggest a preliminary course of study.
From:	Rachel	2004-09-21 05:14:00
Subject:	How can you explain emotions?
Comment:	I love reading your comments and it made me more wonder what to believe in this life I have. I am not a philosopher nor a physicist(did I spell it right) or a scientist or even a theologian or a religious person but just a confused person that landed on your site after times of browsing the cyberspace looking for answers whether to rely on 'feng shui' or not. My question is this how can we explain our emotions when we feel happy, sad, and mad. Is that part of bio-chemical reactions in the body? Why up to now most of the named diseases that we have in our medical terminologies are still unknown on their etiologies? Why? Maybe these discussions on God's existence and the nature of life will not ever be stopped as some view it as an opportunity to question, challenge, and take it seriously for their own benefit to fool others who are less or total no knowledge of the subject. Afterall 'us' 'MAN' that put a punctuation marks on every aspects in our lives. As for me having the benefit given to me to express my freedom of speech this is I would say now and till I die that I STRONGLY BELIEVED THAT THERE IS A GOD, A DIVINE GOD THAT I MUST HAVE FAITH IN HIM? Better to believed him instead of not believing at all. WHO KNOWS!!!!
From:	Tommy Grayson	2005-10-02 07:08:30
Subject:	Simple math for you.
Comment:	(0+0=0)- Or, nothing plus nothing can only add up to nothing, and since according to the laws of physics matter can neither be created nor destroyed, 0 is all there would've ever been. This leads one to ask, well what put a 1 in the equasion then? Something that was beyond 1s and 0s, or in other words, a being beyond physical matter. We humans, being stuck within the parenthesis, cannot perceive the being outside of it.
From:	Hannah	2005-10-29 00:38:29
Subject:	IF YOU'RE WEARY, THEN COME!!
Comment:	It hurts me to see so much anger on this site. No one seems to be taking the time to understand anyone else. I was an atheist for 14 years (raised by one, too), but have since been convinced that God exists and that he is VERY good. (This is really saying something, because I’m a skeptic in the extreme). How many of you cry yourselves to sleep too often? How many don’t feel refreshed and free? How many are just sick and tired of life and don’t really care that much anymore? How many can relate when I say “all of creation groans”, and wish you could just sink into the ground and be done with everything? I know what that’s like, because I’ve been there... BUT I ALSO KNOW HOW TO ESCAPE!! EVERYONE needs to look up “PRACTICAL MAN’S PROOF OF GOD” on Google. I promise not to give you the stereotypical “Christian spiel” that you all hate (even though the only reason we do it is because we love you), because I know I can’t convince anyone with this limited space, and that understanding only comes from God... but I do have a couple points I’d like to make: “Blind faith”, believe it or not, is very RARE among true Christians. Logic and reason come first... and then as we live with God we gain more faith, because we know from past experiences that God will come through every time. Faith takes a long time to develop. Evil was not created by God. He gave us free will so that we could love him by our choice and not by force. Just as dark is the absence of light, and coldness is the absence of heat, evil is the absence of God. Please, please, don't persecute my God! It makes me sick with sadness that you don't know him. He's so wonderful, so kind, and so REAL!
From:	grg nz	2009-08-03 09:12:59
Subject:	mmm
Comment:	i think magnetism is the cause and reason for all we know, without it we wouldn't be here to discuss a god, mathmatics, or any 'matter' at all. I believe we are all entitled to believe in anything at all, but not entitled to push ours onto the naive and weak, which our rule makers from centuries past, through murder by the crudest methods employed to ensure the 'fear of god' existed. Fortunately, through fact based education, we no longer burn the eccentric at the stake. And maybe life after death is our children, and maybe we are no different than bacteria, doing what we were intended to do, multiply and devour our host, earth. This is one thing that we would be doing well. Magnetism, opposite forces, up n down, hot n cold wet n dry, nth n sth, east n west, good n bad, yes and no,light and dark....believers and non, if it was all one sided, we wouldn't evolve into what we will 'according to my religion' shit happens, all we can be, which could be, a tolerant, understanding, melting pot of medium brownish people of one world. At this time when the creator of all, mathmatician, and magician, .. . Sorry forgot its name, dam it! Anyway, who cares, treat all with respect and teach your children to do the same, and our short and odd experience of being can be enjoyable.