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From:	AOL: Divdead	2003-01-14 22:54:16
Subject:	From the church...
Comment:	I have been attending church my entire life. I was raised as a Christian and probably spend 3 days a week at church. I've studied the bible to some extent, listened to the wonderful Christian contemperary music(and even danced to it) and prayed every night for many years. But even though I'm still activly involved in my church I am now agnostic. I asked myself the same questions raised here - Did I pick the 'right' religion?? God created sin and pain... but he is 'all good'?? Thousands of questions pushed me off that 'narrow path' and into the light. One minor example: Moses convinced god to not kill his people. God. Convinced by his own creation... yeah... now there's logic. Again... that was just one of many. I don't claim that there is no god. I think that would take just as much blind faith as commiting to a religion. But to claim that you have picked the right religion. That there really is a reason for all of that pain. That god eiher lets it happen of causes it for the better good.... go ahead. Keep telling yourself that. I'll keep going to church... and sadly be one of the only persons there who doesn't have their head up their ass. On a side note... I admire that blind faith. I almost wish I still had it. It's nice to always think you have someone, no matter how bad life is, God is there for you... a pleasent thought. yours truely --- Dive Happy Pianist Jesse ---
From:	shawn	2003-02-23 21:12:43
Subject:	think about this
Comment:	U say that god is bad and cruel, inventing pain and suffering. Isn't it people who create pain and suffering, god is neutral. He created the universe and tampers not with its fate. It is us, the people who inhabit this universe who dictate what happens, karma: what goes around comes around in some form or another. It is humanities inherient flaw of greed, which we gained by stepping outside nature and becoming self-aware. It is our greed that has created the industrial revolution, the computer age. etc., without it we'd be nomadic, like our ancestors, then we'd not know suffering, by except what comes to us as a part of life and the way the universe works. It is our greed that makes us look critically upon our creator, through our deluted images of 'self-superiority'. So i gotta go some other work. so in conclusion, god is neutral, neither good nor evil. so don't bad mouth god.. :D
From:	kyle baird	2003-09-09 19:49:07
Subject:	god?
Comment:	after reading your comments here i believe that god is both sadistic and benevolent.
From:	blackjesus	2003-11-02 16:40:52
Subject:	Gawd
Comment:	Isa:45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
From:	n/a	2003-11-12 01:38:03
Subject:	get your information straight........
Comment:	I am a sikh, and i know that you strongly believe that we who are religous are crazy to believe that our religon is the only one right out there. However, you are incorrect about this, as a sikh we believe that every religon out there is right. We don't set conditions or criteria to find which religon is right, we believe that since there are different languages and communities out there they have their own word for god, rituals for praying, and beliefs. Therefore, there are different ways to get to the same god, this helps god create differences between us, which in return help us in the end when we realize that we should work together not against each other.
From:	Hellsadvocate	2004-01-14 22:56:48
Subject:	No one knows how to defend themselves.
Comment:	Idiots, what you've said so far is true, and nothing can prove you wrong because these are some of the facts that appear on television, literally everyday. In Oakland, CA it happens every other day. Faith is something that is required, that is a natural human instinct, even an atheist during a time of death, whispers to some God, that he hopes exists after he dies. it is need. Fools. God however, does not like to watch the pain, it is said, that he provides this pain because free will is given and because of the choices we take, we end up in either pain or suffering. However, these deaths by nature are natural and are 'destined' for the person, this is not torture, death only takes a second. God is not a sadist [if there is one}. Second those people who are tortured are tortured because of the power the other humans have, they too have free will. God watches and then delivers his judgement at the end, during the end. WHAT IS FREE WILL?! because of it we are cursed to live without the intervention of god, SO IF YOU ARE FUCKING DIEING ON THE ROAD PRAY NOT TO YOUR GOD BECAUSE HE WONT SAVE YOUR ASS. Fuck all these worshippers. All these religions, life is just as good as an atheist, dont try and prove this guy wrong though with your own religious beliefs, cause that would just be idiotic. Stupid sikh, christain, etc retards, because of your justification of life we ended up haivng the crusades, make life simple, FUCK OFF.
From:	MadPole	2004-04-15 22:38:30
Subject:	GOD
Comment:	Have You ever thought that by lousy progremming You can generate spam email?
From:	MadPole	2004-04-15 22:39:53
Subject:	spam
Comment:	And the real question is.. have You ever experienced it? Because everytime I leave a comment here. I get email from somebody else addressed to You!
From:	DivineDead	2004-04-15 22:42:37
Subject:	SUFFER!
Comment:	'Thousands of questions pushed me off that 'narrow path' and into the light' I think that is suffering in the nutshell.. is it not? ;-)
From:	bob	2004-06-22 01:01:36
Subject:	death
Comment:	I think I'm gonna die
From:	richard	2004-09-17 01:46:52
Subject:	god, pain, suffering, torture...etc
Comment:	Why should we expect any description of the universe to be rational or consistent. Our ability to know anything is extremely limited compared to the size and age of the universe. Observation of human behaviour would suggest sado-masochism is essential part of living, the whole notion of winning and losing presupposes it. Maybe self-contradiction is the price any being, whether God or human must pay for existing as opposed to not existing. Cheers Tears
From:	Helen	2004-10-04 18:20:25
Subject:	God and suffering?
Comment:	Do you know the mind of God? Are you so high, superior and knowledgable that you know God's thoughts and plans? No because you are merely human. You cannot know god's mind or plans because God is alknowing and therefore you would know e verything and wouls have nothing to live for. GOd has created suffering for reasons you do not know and most definatly never will know. He has given us free will. However this free will has caused others free will to get in our own way. God will not break his promise and therfore he will not intervene with human desisions. YOu have to make a desision. To follow him, or not to. Mabye at some point in your life, or in death, you will find out if the path you have chosen is the right one. Yes you may have doubts whichever path you choose. But surely these will make you stronger as you carry on. Like our suffering makes us stronger. Have you ever touched a hot saucepan or dish and hurt you hand? An have you ever done it again since?(unless by accident which cannot be helped.)Some say would it not be better if someone tells you not to touch then you do not have to suffer to learn. I, however disagree because your own curiosity may get the better of you, or you may think they are lying or joking. Through the pain you experince you learn. Whether you want to learn or not isn't really a choice, you can try your hardest not to learn and yet learn from that.
From:	Helen	2004-10-04 18:21:32
Subject:	carry on from God and suffering
Comment:	I could carry on all week trying to get my point across to you and yet it is up to you to make the desision to listen or not. My words are pointless unless your ears are listening and you mind is open. I am not pretending I know everything, I am merely explaining my veiw and it is your choice whether or not to learn from it. Thankyou for taking the time to read my veiws. I hope you reply.
From:	Eadon (author)	2004-10-04 18:34:19
Subject:	How do I know
Comment:	Helen, You do qualify your comments by saying that you do not know. Yet you seem to have some very solid ideas about the nature of god (why not gods?) and so you commit the same sin as me. At least I try to use logical thinking, where as you seem to be pulling statements out of your @scii :) Ask yourself, how do you know god exists? In the end it just boils down to wishful thinking, in my opinion. None of this can be proven or disproven, all I am doing is laying down some logical reasoning and seeing where that leads, rather than starting off with the assumption that God exists. You claim that god exists and he is smarter than us, therefore we can say nothing useful about a god. You already made an inference about the nature of a/the god by claiming he is smarter than us! ;)
From:	Helen	2004-10-04 18:54:55
Subject:	sorry i forgot to add my email add!
Comment:	sorry my other comments didn't hav my email add, I forgot 2 add it. Also what is your veiw on abortion?
From:	Helen	2004-10-04 19:08:12
Subject:	hmm....
Comment:	you ask why I believe in God, that I believe he exists? Well do you believe in me? that I exist? Why just because someone must have written this, that I have made these comments? Well someone/something must have written the bible, someone/something must have made the earth. What you believe a few random atoms (created from where) created a chemical reaction which formed all you see before you? You have to think outside the box. You believe in air and yet you cannot see it. Don't say you do not believe in air, for then you would be dead. So you beleive in something that you cannot see and have no proof of, and yet a God who over 250 million people follow who has influenced the writing of the bible and sent his only son to die for us is not real?
From:	Eadon	2004-10-04 19:34:30
Subject:	Air and god
Comment:	Helen, Although air is invisible to our eyes, we can feel it, we can measure it's temperature, it's pressure, and we can do experiments with it. However no gods have revealed their existence in this way, so your analogy obviously fails on this point. You also claim that the bible is artificial, then you commit the fallacy that if the bible was created (by men, I imagine) then the earth was created. I'm afraid that this logical leap fails, because you cannot show that the earth was created, it may have formed by natural processes, via material obeying the laws of physics. You cheerfully commit the popularity fallacy, i.e. if lots of people believe in something, then it must be true. If you had lived 2000 years ago, people believed in different gods than today, and so would you, but would you have been right to do so? Do you follow the herd or think things out for yourself? As for a god sending his son to die for us, WHAT? He came from heaven and he went back to heaven, according to the bible. That doesn't sound much like much of a sacrifice to me :) I love to think outside the box, but not to the point where I beleive in things without evidence, that would be intellectually negligent, the easy way out. If you were to stop for a minute and think about how absurd your words must seem to a non believer, then I think you might reconsider your own views. But, in my experience, that seldom happens, it is too easy for the faithful not to question one's faiths, this is the wishful thinking factor again. Luv Eadon.
From:	sung	2004-11-08 23:15:57
Subject:	dissing living religions
Comment:	i dont know why you write about gods like they arent real. i believe in one God, and im not trying to convert you, but you shouldnt talk about religion like its a thing of the past. religion is evertwhere, and theres lots of it. philosophy and mythology arent just ancient studies, theyre still alive today. i understand that this is just open disscussion, but that doesnt mean u can go around saying that our God wants suffering. he is all merciful and loving. if God were to control the universe in such a way that there was no bad things, there would be no free will, and in turn, no love. God gave us free will so we could love, and we misused it. its or fault, and we cant expect that God will come in and fix EVERY LITTLE THING WE DO WRONG. we are trying to prove ourselves, and we have to bring heaven to earth. i dont know you or what you stand for, but IN A WAY your right. i mean, to say there is good is to imply that there is evil. if there is white, there must be something that is not white (black) because it has a name. people who do exactly the same thing every day do not call it repetitive because they know nought else. but the goal in life and after it is to bring heaven to earth and destroy evil/sin forever. as you can tell, im Christian, and there's no shame in it. i am not ashamed to call Jesus my Lord and Savior. check it out sometime.
From:	sung	2004-11-08 23:26:38
Subject:	read it better
Comment:	i am a Christian, and i CANNOT BELIEVE THIS!!!!! STOP DOING THIS!!!!! PLZ PlZ PLZ STOP!!!!! u r makin me so disstressed and upset. oh yeah, sure, God routinely condemns people to everlasting suffering. oh, yeah, an all-merciful God doesnt care! oh, yeah! yeah, i AM convinced im right, but that doesnt mean u have to make fun of me and my God! He is THE GOD, the ALL_MERCIFUL GOD! He loves me and i dont care what u think. maybe logical thinking is better, but u just... just... ugghhhh! im just telling u that ur wrong! u cant look at God and look at what kind of person He is! He's not a person, and ur not here to tell everyone that hes an idiot! HE'S NOT!!!!! IM NEVER EVER EVER WEBSURFING AGAIN IF I KEEP COMING ACROSS TRASH LIKE THAT!!!!! read the bible! come to Church! at least TRY to understand the connection between God and Man. try. plz. and dont just ddelete this comment. i know its negative, but i want it to stay, so that others can read it. thank u.
From:	Eadon	2004-11-09 08:42:31
Subject:	Gods
Comment:	Sung, there are thousands of gods that are still worshipped today, and there are many more non-god supernatural entities that are believed in. You believe in one out of thousands. I believe in zero out of thousands. Not much difference I say! We both agree that thousands of gods do not exist. As for respecting religions, why? Why should I respect a primary force behind ridiculous ignorance (many religoids refuse to accept evolution for example) and, in many countries, torture and terrorism? If a god(s) does exist, then a being(s) so immensely powerful is not going to give a rat's backside about my views anymore than I should care if an ant in my garden respects me. Only humans (and a subset of that pathetic race at that) are so blindly egoistic to think that gods care about what we think!
From:	nick	2004-11-29 07:44:22
Subject:	philosophy
Comment:	Thank you for posting this interesting page. I am doing a report on the existance of God and am doing some online research. I found this page quite interesting. There were some very well formed points. I found the conclusion interesting. According to you, if God exists he is a sadist who allows pain and misery to dwell in the supposedly perfect universe. Of course there is meaningless pain and suffering, but God may not be resposible. If God is omnipotent and does not wish meaningless harm to befall us, no meaningless harm would befall us. So if God does exist he is either not omnipotent or does not care about us. These three facts cannot coexist: God is all loving God is omnipotent Evil exists These three facts cannot coexist. Either God does not exist at all, or he really doesn't care about us, or he does care about us but cannot prevent evil.
From:	Clayton Carter	2005-01-21 01:32:57
Subject:	Gods
Comment:	Adventure, excitement, a jedi craves not these things. Much like an 'All-powerful' god wouldn't be like some power hungry CEO in a sky scraper looking down unto the world, watching them like little ants scurrying about their lives. I think God (were there to be one) does care, and suffering is a necessary part of the journey we call life. To judge the best there always must be less good. And I think reveling in a sunset after a funeral, falling deep into the thoughts and emotions, or make-up-sex for that matter really make the moments of our life worth rememberance. I have the firm belief that every bad thing to happen to me in life has in the end made me a better person. Yet when I consider the good things that happened to me I realize how I take those for granted, and how some have made me selfish and conceited. So what is pain and suffering? Another side of the spectrum, the red to Light's violet, the ... Dark side of the force if you will. And balance is an important necessity of our lives, and moving through the strife only makes human kind grow. God is, more or less, our thoughts, and it's not like he cares, or doesn't care about us. The universe has been set in motion and he has seen it all happen. It's not that it's 50 AD, no more than it is 2005, there is only one instant, and time is the distraction from god's question. Do you want to be one with eternity...? Do you want to be in heaven?
From:	kezz	2005-04-01 15:37:26
Subject:	Controll
Comment:	Many people dont understand that the bible is there as a form of control and god is just there also as a from of controll the bible and god is a load shit if god was reall noone would be suffering and starving and fighting everything needs a blance yes thats true but this blance has gone way over scale if i can eat 3 times a day so can people in africa i mean i dont see satan doing anything bad he just sits there! In todays world i have to pay for fulshing my toliet in todays world people have to understand that bible is fake twisted document and it some how manges to controll nearly the whole world so much war is caused over some god whos not even real.and supposing gos is real why the fuck is he letting us live in a world like this it deosnt make sense. Kezz xx
From:	Amrinder	2005-05-26 19:38:21
Subject:	checkin records
Comment:	hi I did send some of mine comment for your wedsite but it never got publish on screen and I was woundering cauze need some comment on what i had written....
From:	Jev	2005-06-23 10:34:49
Subject:	in reply
Comment:	god gave man free will and left it up to us the paths we choose. those who torture will deal with the consequences ultimately in the end where as those who have done good in their life and faith should have nothing to fear.
From:	Kyle	2005-07-22 07:58:56
Subject:	Religion
Comment:	In my opinion most of religious followerd do not choose their faith, but are bron into it. Their parents and other family memebers brainwash them as a kid to follow the same faith. As I see it, if you believe in a religion, that religion should affect your entire existence, therefore it should take a lot of convincing to adopt such a life altering decision. To me everything about Christianity is riddled with contradictions and unanswered question. I especially can't stand those Christian follower who defend their religion by quoting something from the bible. Wake up people God didin't write the bible, humans did. The new testament was written many years after Jeses' death, they don't know who wrote it, it was translated, not to mention parts whwere God is by himself thinking (who would have know what he was thinking. To sum it all up extraordinary things need extraordinary evidence, and in my opinion there is no evidents supporting the existence of a god yet so I guess you can classify me an atheist. Meanwhile I'm really enjoing sleeping in on sundays!!!!!!
From:	tony mahon	2005-08-09 13:31:07
Subject:	mind blowing
Comment:	your website is class its just what i've bin trying to say all the time but no one takes the ramblings of a 17 year old seriously. i've always been an aetheist becaus i think god is a load of bollocks
From:	Qwerty	2005-09-13 12:35:26
Subject:	-
Comment:	>>>Well do you believe in me? that I exist? Why just because someone must have written this, that I have made these comments? Well someone/something must have written the bible, someone/something must have made the earth. Reply: In other words you 'conndem' unlike believers. Do you really exist? Of course. Does god really exist? How do you know. Because you heard it in a book? >What you believe a few random atoms (created from where) Reply: Atoms could have always existed, just like you believe god always existed. >continuing> created a chemical reaction which formed all you see before you? You have to think outside the box. Reply: So do you. >You believe in air and yet you cannot see it. Reply: You believe in god but don't see him or her. >Don't say you do not believe in air, for then you would be dead. Reply: Don't say you don't believe in god either, for then you would be conndemed by him. >So you beleive in something that you cannot see and have no proof of, and yet a God who over 250 million people follow who has influenced the writing of the bible and sent his only son to die for us is not real? Reply: Again, have you seen either. Even an angel. How about anything that wasn't told to you?
From:	Qwerty	2005-09-13 12:41:16
Subject:	-
Comment:	In reply to Jev (20050623103449), The terrorists of Sept. 11 toture and are not affraid of dying. You (probably) do good and are not affraid of dying. However, both of you will dye.
From:	ME!	2006-01-11 20:43:21
Subject:	Evil and Suffering
Comment:	I was wondering if someone can tell me what the sikh view of evil and suffering is?
From:	Sam krajacic	2006-03-14 03:27:02
Subject:	why dose god torment me
Comment:	Why can some people go through life with little problems, and I get tormented with constant termoil. This I don't understand. everything I do is for my family and I've praised god over 500 times a day even subconcently. But yet within every day of my life ther seems to be constant termoil above and beyound that of everyone I know. I've tried to fake it till I make it for years just not to descourage others or sound like a winer. Every time something goes wrong in my household god waits till the absolute last minute to straiten things out. I've wanted to pull the triger so many times it's not funny. Am I in liveing hell or in pergatory being tried. I don't know what to think any more.
From:	girl	2006-07-06 22:27:27
Subject:	i know
Comment:	I can tell you exactly why God sends people to Hell. Think about a boy and his mother. the boy will not stop hitting his brother although his mother has told him repeatedly to stop. Finally, the mother grabs the boy and gives him a good smack on the butt. of course, the mother does not WANT to hurt her son. she loves him and hates to see him cry, but she also does not want him to hurt his brother and she does not want him to grow up thinking he can do whatever he wants. Therefore, she must punish him so that he will learn a lesson. God does the same for us. He gives us proof after proof that He exists, yet people still ignore His voice. He sends people into the world to physically tell others about Him, but those people only bash His whole being. He cannot still let them into Heaven after they have hurt Him and His people, so he sends them to Hell. I can also tell you why God allows suffering. One word-sin. people are too stubborn to give themselves completely to Him. we as people will always have fleshly desires because he has given us a choice. once again, God does not want to hurt us..in fact, he wants to help us. that is why he gave us the Bible. He only gave us the commandments so that we would know what would hurt us and others in the end. for example, one of the commandments is (paraphrased) 'You should not murder another human being.' why? because for one thing, you would go to prison and who wants to go to prison? and for another thing, you would be wrongly taking away that person's right to life. see? He just wants to protect us from bad things that are a RESULT of what we do. enough said.
From:	garcia	2006-11-02 18:39:52
Subject:	god is true
Comment:	I believe god exists and he is love. He is our father, the one who created everything. Of course this is just my opinions, but just for one moment think what exactly is life? and why are we here? Everyone seeks those answers including yourself with this website. You are seeking to find truth, and express what you feel inside. For those who do not believe in god, That god which sent his son, jesus to die for us, you will never know true hapiness, there will always be something missing until you look deep down will know. I respect everyone else beliefs, and to me all religions lead to the samething which is God. For those who question why god has done nothing in favor of those suffering. God is not to blame for this, sin and men have created this. We all have sin which comes form the devil, now he is to blame for this. But i guess if you do not believe in god nor do you in the devil. My question to all nonbelievers is then what do you believe in? what motivates you? how are you able to tell wrong from right? how much do you cherish life? and for what?
From:	fhazl	2007-02-25 11:46:36
Subject:	God is Love
Comment:	Well here we are with a great experiement. Britain and Australia, and the rest of Europe are almost totally Godless. Let's see what kind of civilization they can create. They don't realize that most of the good still remaining in their civilization came from Christians. The difference between Britian before the miracle of Wesley and after is almost unbelieveable. A very vile civilization became righteous. I didn't say perfect. I said righteous. Issac Newton, John Newton, Wilberforce, Faraday, Florence Nightengale, Jane Austen, Whitaker Chambers, Adam Smith, Livingston, Lord Shaftesbury, T.S. Eliot, C.S. Lewis, etc. Even before Wesley their government became better after the Puritans took over. They got free speech, torture was out lawed, and repulican representative government instituted. Pariliament was greatly strengthend and the plague of a king was gone. Of course the british now love to hate the round heads and love to champion King James. Who was as cruel as Hitler or Stalin. But, they foolishly brought their king back and now they are sliding into the same old British cant of unbelief, crudity, cruelty and shame. It's starting slow because they are standing on the shoulders of Giant people of faith. Issac Newton, John Newton, Wilberforce, Faraday, Florence Nightengale, Chambers, Adam Smith, Livingston, Lord Shaftesbury. Where have the great people of Britian gone? Into the miasma of Luddism. The british belive nothing sacred anymore so they do nothing memorable. see next thread
From:	fhazl	2007-02-25 11:52:47
Subject:	God is love continued
Comment:	The British love to think themselves honest. That's why they speak their mind and say all sorts of nastry unkind things. They almost entirely love to say nasty things about religious people. They tend to be socially cruel to each other and out siders. The british have always been this way. except for a couple hundred years after Wesley when they became civilized people of the 'book' They have been cruel almost all the rest of their history. They claim this is God's fault because he hasn't burned them to a crisp for being rude, crude, and almost entirely unsympathetic. Of course they just want God to stop the vetorturers -- the really 'bad people'. But if he stopped the average brit from the 1000 cuts against their fellow citizens, that would be just awfully unaceptable, how they would howl. How would God do that? Should he sew strings to their flesh. This would be no problem for him for they say He loves to inflict pain and torture. Should God strike them dumb every time they say bollox. God has a light hand on the tiller of History. He respects us. He going to be the police man of the universe. He isn't the nag of the universe. If you can't change someones heart all the force in the universe could not make this universe worth being. He has wisely decided to make an appeal to anyone who will listen. He even sent his Son, Jesus, in good faith. Jesus is not a part, He went through the B.S. with us. He lived a life similar to ours and triumphed over evil by depending on his father staying true in spite of what happened to him. God could stop everything but what good would that be? We would all be mindless little robots. He instead intends to cultivate willing hearts just a a lover courts his bride. see next thread
From:	fhazl	2007-02-25 11:54:21
Subject:	God is love --last installment
Comment:	continued from two previous threads entitled God is Love: I find Christ much more attractive than the crude, lewd, and all too common atheistic British citizen. I urge them to return to the righteousness of their recent British ancestors who loved God with all their heart mind and soul and turned the world upside down for the Good. Just run the numbers. It’s atheists that are the great killers of the world, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Musolini, etc. Religious people have their atrocities too but that is only when they give lip service to their principles and don’t really blieve them in their heart. True practicing christians are harmless by definition. There are lots of fake christians in the world. Jesus said it would be so. The wheat and the tares. But even religious atrocities are self regulating. They are 100’s even thousands of times less vicious and poplulated than atheistic atrocities. God save us from what the unbleivers will do to this world when they get control. And they will. It’s prophecy. But be of good cheer, Jesus said, I have overcome the world. You think God is inactive, non-existant, uncaring. Soon he will do just what you want Him to do. He will soon, again, step into history, show himself in all his glory, judge the wicked and righteous, and setup his kingdom on this Planet for a thousand years with Jesus as it’s ruler. Evil will be destroyed. Just not as fast as you want it to be. Because He is trying to separate you from that evil so you don’t perish with it. love Frank
From:	fhazl	2007-02-25 12:12:45
Subject:	God is love : correction
Comment:	it should have said: He (God) isn't going to be the police man of the universe. He isn't the nag of the universe. If you can't change someones heart all the force in the universe could not make this universe worth being. He has wisely decided to make an appeal to anyone who will listen. He even sent his Son, Jesus, in good faith. Jesus is not apart, He went through the B.S. with us.